I really can't understand all the panic... This is the same squad that just won the league while not playing at their best, and they won it by some distance.. We now have Rooney who if isn't going, we would expect a shift in attitude/ perfomances, Nani will play a lot stronger role this season hopefully and Fletcher make well be back... Hopefully a few younger players in Powell/Janjujaz can surprise us and make a leap... Overall, I'd like a new signing just to get excited (someone young with potential), and obviously I think we have a need for a decent CM, my point is, I don't think genuinely we are in trouble of finishing in the top 4/competing for the title if we purchase absolutely no-one.. I think some people forget who we are and the team we already have..
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That's my biggest issue with the Baines/Afro man transfer saga. We could have had them available long ago.
If only the teams we beat to the title were still the same too, everything will be great.
I don't get why people use this argument. City and to a lesser extent have stronger teams and better managers this season. We've done nothing in the window except lose arguably the best manager of all time and replace him with a manager who is unproven. There's no way we will walk to the title this season.
Good point Cina, i agree 100%
The one thing we can't do is stand still, i'm not of the opinion that we need to spend money for the sake of it but it is clearly evident we need a midfielder, furthermore Chelsea, Spurs, City have invested heavily this summer but if we get a couple of midfielders and keep Rooney/Nani then we will have an awesome squad.
Did Bayern need to buy Gotze and Thiago? Did Barcelona need to buy Neymar? Did Real need to buy Bale or Isco? These are the teams that we should be looking to catch up to, instead we appear to be more than happy to look over our shoulders and believing that we may continue to be better than our domestic rivals, who too have strengthened. Money should not be spent for the sake of it, but we are standing still squad wise while we have also lost Sir Alex.
We were always a bit 'conservative' in terms of spending. I wont be surprised if things get worse with Woodward. At least Gill knew his stuff regarding football.
Obviously?
We haven't directly purchased anyone but we all know Rooney and Nani didn't play as much last season/contribute as much (More Nani) to the season. We now have both of them hopefully to go on and have a brilliant season, that will be like new players for us... Fletcher coming back also, let's see the level of performances he puts in, but I have faith and expect him to really make a difference, so there is 3 big differences right there, and yes the other teams have bought players, arguably players that aren't just squad players, they will probably be first XI players... But that doesn't mean they are stronger straight away at all, they will all need time to settle in etc
I firmly believe that if we buy no one, we will still be challenging for the title come May, my point is though, that we aren't desperate, we don't need to panic buy, I would prefer a decent CM as I stated previously, but that's life, I still believe we have as good a chance as anyone of winning the PL, and FWW, I never said I thought we would walk it
We'll probably be challenging but you were making it sound like because this squad won the league last season that everything is perfectly OK when in reality plenty of other factors need to be taken into account here. All of those things you've said above are Ifs and Buts, it actually looks like Nani is away and right now we're only an injury to Carrick or RvP away from being in serious trouble.
We've done worse than nothing in the window. Rooney/Nani should've been the first things Moyes sorted out, then do the transfer business quietly as usual. Very strange summer.
I suppose I don't agree then, an injury to Carrick would worry me, RVP, not so much when we can replace him with Hernandez/welbeck/Rooney etc, but yes I agree about Carrick, but my point is, that's the position we started last season in and look how that panned out? (Appreciate, if he had been injured, it would have been different), however now with Fletcher back it's more than we have had in a while..
In regards to Nani, it's very hard to know/say too much really, if he does get his act together and sort his problems out with the club (Or whatever seems to be the issues) then he will be key this season for me...
Also, I made it sounds like is perfectly OK as I believe it is, not to say it couldn't be better, but an injured Carrick already, with Nani & Rooney leaving... it could have been worse, so I would say OK..
Well you could choose to look at it this way, I suppose. Basically, this year we will have no injuries and everyone will play their best all season, thus making us stronger than last season when some players got injured or didn't play at their best. Each to their own I suppose.
Stop mentioning Fletcher. He is done.
You aren't that silly to genuinely think that's what I meant.... I'll word it differently for you, Would you expect each of Rooney / nani / Fletcher to have more or less games than last season?
Secondly, I'm assuming you at least said more to Fletcher and Nani, in that case, the players we had last season are still here, so the competition will now only be stronger, hence encouraging a more constant form... It's not all that difficult to understand, it doesn't rely on a lot of 'if's and 'buts', the only variable is how much this makes a difference, it could be from very little to fecking whopping, if Nani takes the league by storm and gets 20+ goals a season and has his best season, I will draw you back to this post
Sorry, I didn't realise you were in a better position to assess the player than the player himself and medical staff that have dealt with him, sorry Cina
No problem, just learn from your mistake and do better in the future.
Well he has a point. There is zero point mentioning Fletcher, if he comes back its a bonus but you can't plan to have him involved in anyway.
What I read though intimated that he was due back and expected to play a part in the season, not if he did...
Have I missed something? If I have, I apologise @ Cina
And how many times have we said that before?
Let's use common sense here, look back at the last three seasons and it's clear the chances of him returning, let alone returning to a player good enough for Man Utd, are minimal at best.
Thanks for your advice, I do thoroughly appreciate it.
Why would he sound so positive in the interviews etc? Why would SAF say he expects him to return? And admittedly for the first 2 years, we didn't know a lot, but I had the impression everything was catering toward him getting closer and closer to returning... It'll be a shame if I did get the wrong end of the stick, because I rated Fletcher.
What would you expect them to say?
"Nah he's fecked, never gonna be back here again." ?
In truth? Perhaps not quite that, and maybe I am a bit naieve here mate, but I just feel like Fergie would have come round and said he really does not know, we will just have to wait and see ... rather than I hope/expect... etc, Perhaps I am reading too much into it, I'll go have a read of the latest bits of news around Fletcher, perhaps I have missed some stuff.
Fact is, he suffered from a serious condition and has barely played competitively for three years.
It'd be a fecking miracle if he came back even half the player he was.
It'd be a fecking miracle if he came back even half the player he was.
Relying on Fletcher returning would be retarded.
I fail to see how anyone can think we're in the same position we're in last year - this after we've lost the greatest manager in our history.
Also, in the world of football, if you're staying the same - you're going backwards. Or something like that.
Also, in the world of football, if you're staying the same - you're going backwards. Or something like that.
Would you expect each of Rooney / nani / Fletcher to have more or less games than last season?
Secondly, I'm assuming you at least said more to Fletcher and Nani, in that case, the players we had last season are still here, so the competition will now only be stronger, hence encouraging a more constant form... It's not all that difficult to understand, it doesn't rely on a lot of 'if's and 'buts', the only variable is how much this makes a difference, it could be from very little to fecking whopping, if Nani takes the league by storm and gets 20+ goals a season and has his best season, I will draw you back to this post
That is basically what you said. Injuries and loss of form to our players last season are not to be viewed as some sort of anomoly. They will happen again this season. Your post implied that we have gotten these out of the way last season, so of course everything will be rosy this year.
So what happens if(when) key players get injured or are not playing well this year? The fact is, the squad is the same (except for one less midfield option) and will be the same squad that copes with injuries and form issues. City, for example, are now better equipped to cope with injuries and form concerns by virtue of adding more good players to the squad.
Yeah, we've always been conservative, and that's a good thing. I think we are the club where you can find the greatest amount of continuity in terms of players in the last two decades, something which I am always proud of. While the likes of Real are always casting off good players for not necessarily better players, we prefer to stick with the players we have. Not sure if that is the right thing to do this summer when we probably needed to be a bit more ruthless in terms of our wing options and midfield.
I find it hard to believe that a club like United would just give a job as important as player recruitment to a guy who doesn't know much about the game, but then, bigger businesses (and sadly we are a business now) than United have made bigger mistakes than appointing a wrong person for a top post. Whether that's the case or not we'll know soon, but as of now I'm not impressed.
The knock on effect to the Caf, of our poor showing in the market, seems to be more conflicts between caftards. A lot of petty bickering (I've been guilty myself), due to frustration. We are the biggest money-spinner in World football, and yet we have only spent £2.4m on a reserve FB, with 4 days til close of business, despite greater income from TV and commercial partners. All the while, our peers have been flashing the cash, and strengthening.
In June, two unconnected Everton fans told me to be prepared to sweat-out the transfer window with Moyes in charge. They said he won't buy anybody until right at the death. My response was, that he would not be working on a shoestring at United, so he could afford to be closer to the asking price for players.
I still see one of those Toffees, and he he keeps asking me if I'm "...getting twitchy yet?"
Well, yes. Yes I am now.
We are not going into the season with the same squad as last year. All though his impact was relatively small last year, Scholes was a capable squad member, in our weakest position. An area already recognised as a problem, even with him.
I refuse to come to the conclusion that our business so far, is due to incompetence, but the 'twitchier' I get, more impatient and accusatory I will become.
In June, two unconnected Everton fans told me to be prepared to sweat-out the transfer window with Moyes in charge. They said he won't buy anybody until right at the death. My response was, that he would not be working on a shoestring at United, so he could afford to be closer to the asking price for players.
I still see one of those Toffees, and he he keeps asking me if I'm "...getting twitchy yet?"
Well, yes. Yes I am now.
We are not going into the season with the same squad as last year. All though his impact was relatively small last year, Scholes was a capable squad member, in our weakest position. An area already recognised as a problem, even with him.
I refuse to come to the conclusion that our business so far, is due to incompetence, but the 'twitchier' I get, more impatient and accusatory I will become.
Makes you wonder about where all that money is going.
Donkey for Woodward.
Joel's pockets.
Fair enough. I just dont think we'd be naive enough to bid for a player before ascertaining whether he'd come first. Add to that fabregas's stark silence when shit hit the fan while everyone around him spoke of how important and loved he is tells me that he'd have come had we managed to put an acceptable offer to Barca. At 25-35mil, we didnt even give them anything to ponder over.
What i really don't get is why even with available players like fellaini and baines we're yet to get it done and waiting for the last day to make a deal, do we really think that it puts pressure on everton to sell for less than what they want? pretty much terrible planning all round this summer, i still think we have an excellent squad though.
We have a good squad, not excellent. We'll get beat in Europe quite comfortably by a decent side.
Some people still can't see this.
I'm sure the Glazers are probably pocketing a decent amount but I don't think they're responsible for nothing happening - if you were very short of cash you wouldn't be going for Baines.
That's because "some people" can see exactly how much of it is going to "Joel's pockets"
Fully agree.
Young Giggs Carrick Valencia is a midfield that will challenge any in Europe
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gulp.