http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/fo...e-Fellaini-bids-cheeky-Manchester-United.html
Phelan pretty much confirming what I think of Uncle Scrooge
Phelan pretty much confirming what I think of Uncle Scrooge
United in this Summer transfer window
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Is it just me or has it gone very very quiet again. The lack of press conferences over the last couple of weeks hasn't helped as we can normally get some information out of them, but other than the inevitable and, frankly easy, speculation from journalists on Fellaini and Baines there appears to be nothing else.
It seems reasonable to assume that Bale is the starting domino for a chain of purchases from several clubs but I'm struggling to see how it could affect us. If, as has been reported today, Madrid will make up their money by fleecing Arsenal for Benzema and Di Maria, I cannot see how we fit in, especially now Alonso has gone and gotten a metatarsal break. I simply cannot see Ronaldo being on the agenda this season and our influence with Mendes seems to be weaker this year as all of his players are going elsewhere.
Feeling very pessimistic now.
It seems reasonable to assume that Bale is the starting domino for a chain of purchases from several clubs but I'm struggling to see how it could affect us. If, as has been reported today, Madrid will make up their money by fleecing Arsenal for Benzema and Di Maria, I cannot see how we fit in, especially now Alonso has gone and gotten a metatarsal break. I simply cannot see Ronaldo being on the agenda this season and our influence with Mendes seems to be weaker this year as all of his players are going elsewhere.
Feeling very pessimistic now.
Been quite a shit summer. Hopefully we pull something out of the bag quickly.
Don't make big signings for the sake of it! Schmeichel insists Moyes should stay calm and not listen to supporter unrest
The title doesn't work because there has been no supporter unrest, everyone is behind Moyes, but I agree with Big Pete: We're Man Utd we don't need to make a statement.
The title doesn't work because there has been no supporter unrest, everyone is behind Moyes, but I agree with Big Pete: We're Man Utd we don't need to make a statement.
No need to make a statement. But there is a need for signing midfielders.
I do wish we would stop fecking about and finally make the bids that will convince clubs to sell. We clearly want to buy a few players, so what are we waiting for? We just seem so fecking passive. I don't want us to buy for the sake of buying, but there's an obvious weakness in our squad and Moyes has already indicated that he wants to do something about it. So do something about it already. It's difficult to know what goes on behind the scenes but I find it hard to believe our people are doing all they can.
But what if the right player isn't available? Its not as though there's a flood of top quality midfield players on the market right now? Fellaini is gettable and, although I don't entirely think he's the answer, I wouldn't mind seeing him come in. But we need to take stock. At times during the summer with some of the players we were linked with esp Fabregas and Schweinsteiger it felt like Ed Woodward had got a bit carried away playing FIFA. We need to stop behaving like Man City under Garry Cook and remember we're Man Utd.
And Manchester United is a much bigger club than city. We should be going after top players like fabregas and I'm glad we did.
And I think there are always good players out there. We fans haven't a clue about so many potential stars out there. How many here knew about gundohan before Dortmund got him and made him into the best young central midfielder around. Who here knew about Hernandez when we got him? There are always players out there, potential future stars if not ready made ones, and it's our job to find them.
Heck, players like moutinho and witsel moved clubs this and last summer. Other clubs are getting their man.
I've remained quite optimistic all summer and been preaching about patience but even I'm getting skeptical at this point. We don't look very eager to get a midfielder in which is worrying. I can only think that we're waiting for another deal to go through (Bale?) before we move for someone else, but that's clutching at straws. We only need one player!
The issue at this stage appears to me to be that we have enough "potential future stars" and need someone to come in and be ready to hit the ground running.
There will of course be players out there who are less well known who could do that job, but those players are hard to find. I also think that if we had found any we considered good enough they'd already be here.
I will reserve judgment until the end of the window, but I'm not overly impressed as to whats gone on so far. We have a new manager, he was going to be backed - and additions need to be made, in my view, for us to have the best chance of retaining the title.
Agree with the last point - it seems to be a drama everytriem United move for a player. The club need to get wise and try to keep things under wraps. Spurs have shown everyone how to do it this year.
Apart from the lack of player recruitment, one thing that has worried me is that issues with the players already in the squad have not been addressed. Januzaj is looking like signing a new deal, but Nani's future is as of yet unresolved. Then there is the Rooney thing. Moyes could have stamped his authority in the dressing room by sorting out these issues one way or the other in an efficient manner but they have been dragging on as well. We are having trouble offloading the players we should be looking to sell. All of these combined make for an underwhelming summer so far at United.
How has Moyes left the Rooney issue dragging?
He's stated quite plainly that he's not for sale.
He's stated quite plainly that he's not for sale.
But the issue has obviously not ended there though, and a third bid for him is expected. My problem is not that this particular issue has not been resolved, my problem is that nothing has been resolved. All these factors combined make me slightly worried.
You're actually underlining my point.
How many future stars have we gone for this summer? Has there been even a sniff of a Ronaldo style £12.5 million transfer? No. Instead we appear to have wanted to 'make a statement' and gone after big name players like a sleep deprived child during the 3rd year season break on Football Manager.
I don't see why it has to be one or the other. We've bought van Persie, Hernandez and henriquez upfront in recent times. One established star, one hidden gem and one young talent with a lot of potential.
Chelsea bidding means feck all to be honest. It certainly doesn't mean that the issue hasn't been resolved.
As we already saw this summer with Fabregas, making a bid for a player doesn't mean that he's leaving for sure or that his club wants to sell him.
Then how the feck can Moyes both 'resolve' the situation and keep the player? The only immediate 'resolutions' would be to sell him or give him a new contract and we know the club and fans would rather shit on their own kitchen floors than see Rooney get another pay rise.
Read the second part of the sentence FFS!
He's said he's not for sale, what else is he in power to do?
We carried on bidding for Fabregas, did that mean that Barca had failed to deal with his 'issue'?
Barcelona got Fabregas to publicly declare at a press conference that he had no intention of ever leaving, that's dealing with the situation, we haven't done that with Rooney. Moyes hasn't even said Rooney wants to stay, because he can't, he doesn't. It's not Moyes' fault, but the Rooney situation hasn't been resolved at all.
Who are our potential future stars in central midfield? I can't think of even one. Anderson is okay and hasn't lived up to expectations. Cleverley looks like he good be a good footballer at some point but probably not a brilliant one. That's it. I think we have some 17 year old people rate but he's way too young.
Moyes has done all he can, he's said the players not for sale and he's refusing to sell him to Chelsea.
The way he could have dealt with it is to flog Rooney to a foreign club, but no one appears to be keen on him and Moyes obviously feels its better to hold on to him than sell him for virtually nothing just for the sake of it.
Surely by that logic the only way to resolve it is to sell him? It's clear that Rooney wants out but that the club and David Moyes are unwilling to sell him, that is how it's been resolved.
But Fabregas said he doesn't want to move. Having a player like Rooney in a permanent conflict will affect our dressing room, sale the fecker and find a good mid player.
It hasn't really been resolved. There is still a decent chance that we may end up selling Rooney despite whatever the club is saying. There is also a decent chance that he will not be sold. The way you people are going on, you make it sound like there is absolutely no chance that he will leave. For example, Lewandowski said he wants to leave but Borussia Dortmund have been very very clear that they will not sell him. He has already come out and said that he will be staying for the season and leave on a free the next. That is how an issue is resolved. Please see the difference!
And as I am repeatedly saying, this issue in isolation wouldn't have been that big of a problem, together they are. What my main point is, and what all of you are ignoring is, that we are still facing the same squad issues that we had at the start of summer and we are close to the end of transfer window. We haven't offloaded the deadwood, haven't strengthened the midfield, haven't yet sorted out the contract issues with our best winger. We have just stood still, and standing still is falling behind.
And as I am repeatedly saying, this issue in isolation wouldn't have been that big of a problem, together they are. What my main point is, and what all of you are ignoring is, that we are still facing the same squad issues that we had at the start of summer and we are close to the end of transfer window. We haven't offloaded the deadwood, haven't strengthened the midfield, haven't yet sorted out the contract issues with our best winger. We have just stood still, and standing still is falling behind.
Because it's that simple. United do not want to sell Rooney and have said so quite clearly. There is nothing else for Moyes to do.
So, what are we waiting for ? Very careful tactic by Moyes & Woody, so far... Targets have been clearly revealed and recognized, at least the Everton duo... or they really just a smokescreen ? (Yes, people, I went there, too.)
Moyes was confident about signings not so long but is he still, now ? After everything, I still think, he knows what he's doing. The meal with the players and lack of bigger transfer activity shows how Moyes respects and trust his own players. I think that will pay off.
This weekend and whole next week may be the explosion of extreme emotional spectrum in every way, possible because now, everything depends more on actions than just intentions and there's not much time for further speculations and other bullshit, as the window is finally coming to an end.
Still excited. It's football, even seen from that boring, managerial perspective may and will bring answers of how and where Moyes see Manchester United as a football strength.
Moyes was confident about signings not so long but is he still, now ? After everything, I still think, he knows what he's doing. The meal with the players and lack of bigger transfer activity shows how Moyes respects and trust his own players. I think that will pay off.
This weekend and whole next week may be the explosion of extreme emotional spectrum in every way, possible because now, everything depends more on actions than just intentions and there's not much time for further speculations and other bullshit, as the window is finally coming to an end.
Still excited. It's football, even seen from that boring, managerial perspective may and will bring answers of how and where Moyes see Manchester United as a football strength.
In January muppets are told to stop being silly as we do our business in the summer. We don't have much to improve upon, it would be a shame if we have 3 months of opportunity and do not use it.
That said, I am still hopeful of improvement. I believe we will at least get the Everton pair, which in itself will represent an improvement. We'd have then taken their manager, coaches and best players over the course of the window. Seems Everton are the new Bilbao/Dortmund.
That said, I am still hopeful of improvement. I believe we will at least get the Everton pair, which in itself will represent an improvement. We'd have then taken their manager, coaches and best players over the course of the window. Seems Everton are the new Bilbao/Dortmund.
Your scenario is not 'that simple either'. We can insist he is staying all we like, but until he signs a new contract, or we even offer him one, then he will always have one foot on the market (unless of course we don't mind writing off £40m, or £20m if we the plan is to sell him next summer).
That isn't resolving it though, we're in the exact same situation we were in at the end of last season. The 'Rooney situation' as I see it is that one of our best players is unhappy and wants to leave, that hasn't changed, so how exactly has it been resolved? Refusing to sell Rooney only resolves the issue of whether we're going to sell Rooney, it doesn't resolve the wider issue.
If Carrick gets injured this season, I won't be suprised if Phil bloody Neville strips off and plays defensive midfield for us. We can then find ourselves in the position where we line up with a midfield pairing of our two coaches.
So Moyes is supposed to magically make Rooney happy or sell him to Chelsea. That makes sense.
I don't understand why having made a bid, that was obviously gonna get turned down, three days ago, we've done nothing since. Are we not actually gonna try again?
It probably was never going to be resolved until after the window because Rooney wants out and Moyes' best chance of getting him on side is showing that he's completely willing to keep him and being confident that Rooney's attitude will improve because he'll have no choice. He was never going to be able to immediately convince Rooney but he can decide to keep him, which he's decided to do, and hope that he can gradually work Rooney round.
It was a week a go we made the bid, it was just leaked on the Monday.
I think Woodward can't handle rejection and every time we make a bid he goes and cries for a week. would explain his singleness, too.
Seriously can we just get someone competent to do our transfer dealings? This woodward fella has been a disaster thus far.