Weren't we going up to like 35m for him? We would have gotten him too were it not for the agent fees. Same case for hazard I think. Sir Alex never seemed to have a problem taking out the cash for a class forward or winger, but since Anderson and Hargreaves signed in 07, we've signed nobody for midfield,which can only suggest sir Alex wasn't too sure what kind of midfielder he wanted and didn't want to take risks with it.
United in this Summer transfer window
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If we win on Monday, will the pressure be off us making a landmark signing?
Big problem for us was Hargreaves Fletcher and Anderson were not contributing much to our midfield all for different reasons albeit and were still on the wage roll possibly blocking us getting someone in. We have been extremely unlucky with those 3 players they would be bossing teams now if they had been fit.
Exactly. I think its debatable if we need to make a signing or not. Lets face it, Scholes and Fletcher were not really playing last season. Clearly, Fellanai is not our first choice as a signing, as we did not bid for him when we could have got him. I think we need to sign the best, and if we cant get the best then we have to make do with what we have.
We also have been very lucky that Carrick didn't miss more than 3-4 games last season....some people.
He also started the season playing central defense, so was more or less missing from our midfield then.
that basically shows that we really need a cover for him. an injury to our 6 centerbacks and we will need him playing CB badly.
That article was a complete rumour though, there's no way we know that for sure.
Can someone explain to me how City and Spurs this season have managed to get basically every deal they've wanted to done in a week whereas us, Chelsea and Arsenal have been making bids waiting for over a week and then making another one?
Because transfers for one team aren't going to be the same for every other team, and nor is the process? You also won't know if they've got everyone they wanted, which is doubtful anyway, because we don't know all of their targets are. For all we know City's signings this season weren't their top targets at all. There is no generic formula that a team can apply to bringing in a player, it's dependant on many factors that change for each target.
Willain became available last week and Spurs have since agreed a fee and got him on a plane to London in the time it's taken us to have one bid rejected for Fellaini and then sit around twiddling our thumbs for days.
Their are obvious differences, of course, between the Fabregas and the Fellaini deal but the clubs gone about both in the same way. I just want to know what the club is actually doing in between its first bid for a player and its second bid a week later, other clubs have shown that you can resolve differences between fees in days or hours. We've spent weeks trying to do it and still not come close to offering a fee for anyone that hasn't been laughed at.
The irony, of course, being that we'll probably spend all summer doing this fannying around and then conclude 2 or 3 deals on deadline day.
We have got screwed over by the fact that Sir Alex and David Gill left at the same time.
Yeah, I really don't get this notion that David Moyes' first signing has to be a big name/make an impact/be a statement of intent... As long as he's signing players he wants to have at the club, who gives a feck whether they're a supposed "big name" or not? It doesn't matter at all.
They've been reviewing the 1,000 players that Moyes apparently keeps under review, and updating the wall-charts in Moyes' office accordingly .... all to make doubly and triply sure that (a) there's isn't a different player that they should be bidding for instead; and (b) that the value of the 2nd bid is pitched at the appropriate level as indicated by the spreadsheet (and associated cascading formula) in which each one of the 1,000 players is assigned a value and cross-referenced to a time-based coefficient.
We should go for Julian Draxler. Should have a good chance on him.
I don't think things would have been much better had it only been Sir Alex. Moyes seems to be looking at very few options and I don't think waiting on August to bid for Fellaini had been some great Woodward masterplan.
a right bunch of clueless muppets in here - Moyes has barely been in the job for a month or so, it is going to take him a lot longer than that to assess our squad and get a network of potential targets to strengthen it.
obviously the midfield has been identified as the vital area, we tried for Thiago and Fabregas but one went with his old manager and one stayed put, not much you can do about that. So he has gone back to what he knows and I reckon there is a good chance that Fellaini will be sorted in this window.
we have a young and deep squad already, so there is no panic - give him some time FFS.
obviously the midfield has been identified as the vital area, we tried for Thiago and Fabregas but one went with his old manager and one stayed put, not much you can do about that. So he has gone back to what he knows and I reckon there is a good chance that Fellaini will be sorted in this window.
we have a young and deep squad already, so there is no panic - give him some time FFS.
That's because they don't prepare bids as carefully as us. Our bids are fecking great.
I've heard we even print ours on a letterhead.
They'd have to be written on fecking parchment, in Latin, by a 12thC Benedictian monk and hand delivered by Woodward himself to justify how long it takes us.
I think if United are to make a signing this summer it will be on deadline day.
Not going to disagree with that livewire but we would have a much stronger midfield with a fit Fletcher and Hargreaves as extra options and the point I was making we havebeen very unfortnate not to have them due to illness/injury.
We were absolutely dreadful at the start of last season, to be fair. Van Persie's goals were dragging us through that period, and it was only when Carrick went back into midfield with Cleverley that we looked decent at all.
Ancelotti came into his job later than Moyes, Pellegrini came into his job later than Moyes. They both sorted out more issues in their team already than Moyes and did more deals to bring in players.
He has been in office since 1 July, it is the 21th of August. He has had almost 2 months time to asses his team and spot opportunities for improvement. And in all honesty it isn't a complex issue at United. It is clear the midfield is the issue, Anderson and Cleverly lack quality, Scholes retired, Carrick is good but he can't do everything alone, Fletcher may come back, but is a major gamble.
So Yea get in a midfielder Asap (regardless of anything else)
Maybay get 2, if you sell Anderson
Rooney/ Nani are both situations that need sorting Asap, need to make a decision on wheter you keep them here, and give them a new contract, or you sell and have to find an appropriate club for them.
Bebe/Macheda should also be sold, or loaned out (altho it is clear they aren't good enough and are not needed, so best sell)
Doesn't take a month or more to figure those issues out and get appropriate targets in place does it ?
I don't blame him for missing out on Thiago, i do blame him for wasting time on Fabregas (who simply wasn't going to move in the first place, defianlty not if your highest bid is £30m....). But hell there are more deals that could have gone through imo. Personally i think Moyes wanted to complete the pre-season before assessing which players he needed to add. I also think he has been trying to get the deals done for a sharp price rather then to get them doen fast. Given the though start to our season, and the fact it is harder to get deals done at the end of the window, i don't think it has been the wisest thing for him to do.
He should have brought in a good midfielder before the pre-season. He had more than 2 weeks time to do that. (He only took to office 1st of July, but he could have sorted things out before that aswell). After the assessment of the pre-season he could have looked for maybay 1 or 2 more players that could add something to the team. If he finds the ideal player, he should not try and get him at a ridiculous price, if he has no budget like he claimed, you can spend a few £m more, it is diffrent at a club like Everton, but at United it is more important to get your first choice target, than to get him for a cheap price.
The difference being here is that at our club, the manager is the one who buys the players.
Well quite clearly it does - I actually expected to see a few out of the door this summer (Rooney, Nani, Macheda etc) but Moyes has obviously decided to give everyone a fresh start so a couple months is feck all to make proper assesments on players, he will only just be getting to know his new squad of players (not to mention all the support staff at the club). He took a small squad on tour and there are injuries so there are even a few he has barely seen anything of at all as yet.
I disagree with most of you have posted there and think you are completely clueless to be honest - as pointed out above, the comparison with Ancelloti/Pelligrini/etc is not a good one as those clubs operate in a completely different way.
Moyes is very hands on in terms of transfers and, while I am sure he has taken some advice on whatever targets Fergie was already looking at, it will take him several months to come up with his own list of transfer targets.
Still he has of course admitted that the midfield is the area to focus on - we made enquiries on Thiago and I am certain that Fabregas was seriously considering a move to us, probably the change of manager at Barca convinced him to give it another year. There are probably others we know nothing about, but now Moyes has turned to what he knows and I expect Fellaini to be sorted by the end of the window and the rest will come in good time.
And what is the hurry anyway? We have a deep and strong squad already.
Well I've no idea what people have been worried about then.
Expect at least 7 points from Chavs/Pool/City with that deep and strong squad.
Glad we signed a new sponsorship deal today. The club is taking the piss now.
I know I'm just a simpleton, but with Lucas it appeared we simply took too long. By the time we had an agreement, PSG came in and did what took us weeks and weeks to achieve in about two or three days. Now I don't know the details, but I would think that if we had a deal done a week or two earlier, we would have Lucas.
PSG can afford not to negotiate and throw in 35m as it pleases them. We can't do that and I wouldn't want us to do that
Well there is a line, but at the end of the day, you enter into negotiation to ultimately get the player you want. If your negotiations repeatedly break down because you can't meet the asking price, then we are probably shopping in the wrong stores.
We are not PSG but we are not skint. Bayern simply get deals done and they are not an oil club. We eventually had an agreement for Lucas, but penny pinching seemed to cause it to take too long to get there. We don't operate in a market on our own, other clubs will step in.
What is it this time, United brand toilet cleaner or red, white, and black sanitary napkins? There's no fecking end to it.
Tyres 
Again, that's because PSG don't prepare good bids. We prepare them carefully.
Tyres
Tyres! feck me.
5 points will do me, although I think we can win them all with the current squad - dont you?