United in this Summer transfer window

Sarni said:
Why? We've not sold anyone essential and we have signed a promising Uruguayan full back as well as got Zaha after initially setting up the deal in January. It's been a good window.

In 2009 we lost Ronaldo and signed Valencia, Obertan and Owen. It was much worse in terms of the relation between the strength of team at the beginning of the Summer and at the end of it. This year we're stronger now than 2 months ago thanks to Varela and Zaha.
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Unless you assume we need to strengthen the squad significantly to make up for the reduction in quality of management. If we take the loss of SAF into account we're far worse off than we were two months ago. Also, our rivals have strengthened more than us so we're weaker relative to them.

I'm really not sure how you can call this a good window so far. We needed more than this. Still, it'll probably still happen so I'm not too bothered (yet).
 
Moyes is right and it's really nice to see that he values his own squad, because that current group of players looks even stronger than year ago, especially with not so many players, injured and of course the Zaha-Januzaj combo but...

Having a balanced and underused budget and not to try, to add even more quality and strength to this team, for the more effective push in both Premier League and Champions League would be a little bit disappointing. It's nothing big but him and Woody still got enough time to arrange more than one helpful deal, this summer.

United looks solid but Moyes got the power and funds to make it even stronger than Bayern, Barca or Real. He should simply not hesitate with sending offers, where he'll find quality and the potential.

Still, I'm happy with what I saw on this tour because not so long ago we were lacking in the attacking midfielder department, when suddenly, this year we got Kagawa, Januzaj and even Lingard, leaving a good impression.
 
Sarni said:
Why? We've not sold anyone essential and we have signed a promising Uruguayan full back as well as got Zaha after initially setting up the deal in January. It's been a good window.

In 2009 we lost Ronaldo and signed Valencia, Obertan and Owen. It was much worse in terms of the relation between the strength of team at the beginning of the Summer and at the end of it. This year we're stronger now than 2 months ago thanks to Varela and Zaha.
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Exactly a good summer with respects to signings always boosts the squads morale & that if the fans and often leads to a successful season, 2007 we brought in Hargreaves, Anderson, Nani & Tevez and ended up winning the European Cup.

2008 we signed Berba & reached the final. 2009 bad summer as mentioned by you and ended up with a league cup. 2012 we got RvP & Kagawa and ended up winning back the title. I think Zaha & Varela won't be a successful summer at all, especially since we have areas of the squad which are critical & need desperate re-inforcement.
 
sullydnl said:
Unless you assume we need to strengthen the squad significantly to make up for the reduction in quality of management. If we take the loss of SAF into account we're far worse off than we were two months ago. Also, our rivals have strengthened more than us so we're weaker relative to them.

I'm really not sure how you can call this a good window so far. We needed more than this. Still, it'll probably still happen so I'm not too bothered (yet).
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Clearly a fair point. We have lost someone of far greater importance than any player we've ever let go in a transfer window. That has to be considered here, certainly.

But, on the same note, the great man's replacement is also far more important than any player we might bring in this window. Getiing in all manner of marquee signings and whatnot won't replace Fergie. In the long-run only Moyes can do that, or at least give it a fair go. If we get in a decent midfielder before the window closes, I'll be satisfied personally.
 
Sandikan said:
I think the time we lost Ince, Hughes and Kanchelskis was a million times worse than this year!
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We've never lost Sir Alex during the summer, though. :(

As for the summer of 95, I'd take a young Nicky Butt right now, not to mention a Beckham.
 
Baby Faced Assassin said:
Exactly a good summer with respects to signings always boosts the squads morale & that if the fans and often leads to a successful season, 2007 we brought in Hargreaves, Anderson, Nani & Tevez and ended up winning the European Cup.
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And going the extra mile in 1998 with Stam, Yorke and Blomqvist made the team of almosts in 98' into treble winners. Doesn't mean it always pays off - We got Veron and Ruud and won less with them - but if you do things right...

Anyhow, the reality hasn't changed. We've got a superb squad, with a very big problem in a very important area. We don't need much, two players at the most, one good addition would be a heck of a start.
 
Van Piorsing said:
Moyes is right and it's really nice to see that he values his own squad, because that current group of players looks even stronger than year ago, especially with not so many players, injured and of course the Zaha-Januzaj combo but...

Having a balanced and underused budget and not to try, to add even more quality and strength to this team, for the more effective push in both Premier League and Champions League would be a little bit disappointing. It's nothing big but him and Woody still got enough time to arrange more than one helpful deal, this summer.

United looks solid but Moyes got the power and funds to make it even stronger than Bayern, Barca or Real. He should simply not hesitate with sending offers, where he'll find quality and the potential.

Still, I'm happy with what I saw on this tour because not so long ago we were lacking in the attacking midfielder department, when suddenly, this year we got Kagawa, Januzaj and even Lingard, leaving a good impression.
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Reckon most are thinking this at some level. It would be a bit...questionable. That's obviously not to say the shit will hit the fan next year - we could easily win the league with this squad - but to see Fergie retire and not really strengthen at all in the following summer is a decision you can't help but question the logic of.

Still time yet, though. I think if we get to the end of the window and haven't at least signed cover for Carrick then people will have valid cause to wonder what on earth we've been doing all summer. It is an enormous risk to rely on Michael Carrick's fitness for an entire season again in context of our injury record over the past seasons; a completely absurd risk actually to take in such a huge season. The club seems intent on chasing 'stars' (maybe the club are trying to maintain a particular image for current and future sponsors?) but we can't be too choosy in this regard - it's a glaring weakness in the squad that should've been sorted a couple of years ago, never mind now.
 
Chesterlestreet said:
Clearly a fair point. We have lost someone of far greater importance than any player we've ever let go in a transfer window. That has to be considered here, certainly.

But, on the same note, the great man's replacement is also far more important than any player we might bring in this window. Getiing in all manner of marquee signings and whatnot won't replace Fergie. In the long-run only Moyes can do that, or at least give it a fair go. If we get in a decent midfielder before the window closes, I'll be satisfied personally.
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Agree that Moyes is going to be the decisive factor in how well our season goes, good or bad. The thing is, even if SAF was still here it would be very impressive to win the league this year without strengthening significantly. For a new, less experienced and (almost certainly) less able manager to do it is extremely unlikely imo.

With that in mind it's hard to see how this can be regarded as a good summer. Not only are we reducing our chances of success by not strengthening, we're also increasing the pressure that Moyes is under in his first season. At this stage I don't see us signing a superstar, we just need to strengthen enough to keep us ahead of the chasing pack. That will do for now.
 
KingEric7 said:
Reckon most are thinking this at some level. It would be a bit...questionable. That's obviously not to say the shit will hit the fan next year - we could easily win the league with this squad - but to see Fergie retire and not really strengthen at all in the following summer is a decision you can't help but question the logic of.

Still time yet, though. I think if we get to the end of the window and haven't at least signed cover for Carrick then people will have valid cause to wonder what on earth we've been doing all summer. It is an enormous risk to rely on Michael Carrick's fitness for an entire season again in context of our injury record over the past seasons; a completely absurd risk actually to take in such a huge season. The club seems intent on chasing 'stars' (maybe the club are trying to maintain a particular image for current and future sponsors?) but we can't be too choosy in this regard - it's a glaring weakness in the squad that should've been sorted a couple of years ago, never mind now.
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We have Carrick's back up, he's called Jones.
 
You've just summed up our problem. Our backup for Carrick is a player who also plays right back and centerhalf, is considered to be a future centerhalf regular and LOOKS like one when he plays in midfield...
 
Sarni said:
We have Carrick's back up, he's called Jones.
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Yeah, that's what worries me. ;)

It's been talked about to the death with Jones and he may even have it in him to really improve, but our football deteriorates a lot when he plays in the centre. We simply cannot have a midfielder that isn't properly comfortable asking for the ball and receiving possession, in my opinion. People in the Gustavo thread have questioned the logic of signing Gustavo if he is seen as limited, but the difference between someone like him and Jones is a big one. He's limited when you line him up against some of the more technically gifted players around, but he is still a good midfielder in the sense of not shying away from possession or looking like he's not entirely sure what he's doing. He's also better in possession.

The same restraints on our football wouldn't be there with him as they would be if we played Jones. My one concern would be that if we played him with Carrick (something I think we could do against most teams) and do not start Rooney, we may have to start fiddling around with Carrick's role and priorities a bit on occasions, which is something we perhaps shouldn't be doing. Regardless, first and foremost the priority should be to get an actual midfielder who can deputise and fill in for Carrick. That as opposed to shoehorning a player who isn't a midfielder into such an important part of the pitch to do a job.
 
As I've said about Jones, we could either turn him into a very average central midfielder or a very good centre half. It's up to Moyes and the clock is ticking, he's 20 and has barely played in his best position at United, throw him around the pitch asking him to play various positions depending on who's out at the time and he'll be a luxurious O'Shea by the time he's 23.
 
I saw this earlier, and it's so silly I couldn't stop laughing at it, it was on another forum where someone was saying the club is embarrassed about who we will be signing so they're putting it off to the last day of the window, when they'll release this picture







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HAha, well the one on the left must be Fellaini.

Anybody think we will agree terms for a player today?
 
It's turning into a very strange summer, indeed. Looking incredibly likely we'll go into the Swansea game without a signing.
 
Colin129 said:
Usually we have a whole host of youngsters going out on loan for the coming season.

Who have we got going out this year then, I don't remember hearing much about loans this summer.
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There has been a lot of interest in lots of them but I think Tunnicliffe to Ipswich the only one that has been done so far?
 
I don't get why some of you are wound up by the inactivity. IIRC we won the league comfortably last season and bowed out in the CL with massive misfortune. Our competitors haven't strengthened significantly either. Yes, I want another centre mid but for all we know Moyes might turn Cleverley/Anderson into a proper and reliable midfielder. We have a great squad.
 
Jacob said:
I don't get why some of you are wound up by the inactivity. IIRC we won the league comfortably last season and bowed out in the CL with massive misfortune. Our competitors haven't strengthened significantly either. Yes, I want another centre mid but for all we know Moyes might turn Cleverley/Anderson into a proper and reliable midfielder. We have a great squad.
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:confused:
 
You're in for a bit of a shock this season if you don't think Chelsea and City will be significantly better than last year.
 
I have a gut feeling that something will happen within the next couple of days. I actually think we'll sign someone. Shocking - I know.
 
There aren't even any rumours at the moment though. Do we think it'll just be an out of the blue signing?
 
Woodzy said:
It's turning into a very strange summer, indeed. Looking incredibly likely we'll go into the Swansea game without a signing.
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I'd be very, very surprised if someone was signed before Swansea. Before Chelsea is more likely, but equally this might be it until January.
 
Can't believe we still didn't send an offer for Premier League settled, afro ninja.

Moyes and Woody must really have a bigger deal in mind, or they want a kind of squad stability, only through new contracts for Rooney & Nani.
 
shaggy said:
You're in for a bit of a shock this season if you don't think Chelsea and City will be significantly better than last year.
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I meant strengthened in terms of new players, I also said significantly to cover minor improvements such as Navas to Nasri and the like.
 
Jacob said:
I meant strengthened in terms of new players, I also said significantly to cover minor improvements such as Navas to Nasri and the like.
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We'll see how their new men turn out, you could be right that we're not talking about significant improvements. They have strengthened, though, which is the main point. City, in particular, have made some good buys - unlike the rubbish they got in last year.

Anyway, which area both City and - especially - Chelsea have strengthened significantly should be obvious enough. Moyes isn't up against the same Chelsea and City sides we faced last season. They will be stronger under their new managers. especially Chelsea. I'm afraid that's pretty much a given.
 
Solius said:
There aren't even any rumours at the moment though. Do we think it'll just be an out of the blue signing?
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That's only because the media have had internationals to write about this week. As soon as they need to fill the gaps they'll be the usual rumours again.
 
Moyes saying on sky sports that he expects signings to be made before the deadline (18 days)
 
Amir said:
You've just summed up our problem. Our backup for Carrick is a player who also plays right back and centerhalf, is considered to be a future centerhalf regular and LOOKS like one when he plays in midfield...
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Exactly, and what if we have our usual CB injury crisis, he can't play CB and then MF if Carrick injured. Our CB's are sure to get injured two or three at a time, that is how our luck goes.
 
Lawman said:
Moyes saying on sky sports that he expects signings to be made before the deadline (18 days)
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Sure he doesn't expect them after the deadline. He's been saying this for weeks, apparently he did the same while at Everton and then usually proceeded to sign no one.
 
Sarni said:
Sure he doesn't expect them after the deadline. He's been saying this for weeks, apparently he did the same while at Everton and then usually proceeded to sign no one.
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Sorry for reporting what he said Sarni ffs in case anybody missed it! He could easily have said no I am happy with what I have got!
 
Lawman said:
Sorry for reporting what he said Sarni ffs in case anybody missed it! He could easily have said no I am happy with what I have got!
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I'm not having a go at you mate, just saying that Moyes has been on with the same quotes for over a month and we're not even sure we're doing anything, it's been awfully quiet in the past couple of weeks and media usually have some leaks about our targets.
 
2 weeks left this Sunday.... Reckon we will sign Baines + another, hopefully not Fellaini.
 
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