United in this Summer transfer window

Beachryan said:
Given Moyes has just now appeared to have looked at the fixture list, it makes it even more embarrassing. When we all saw the fixtures released it was a reaction of 'oh sh*t, that's a ridiculous start for the new manager'.

Which should have been followed by: 'so it'll be important he gets the new players in early, gives them time to settle with the team and are ready to hit that tough start running.'.

Instead we've signed no one before our first match, failed to sort out the Rooney situation and made eyes at a player who was never going to come, for over a month.

It's pretty farcical.

If we fail to win at Swansea - and that's very likely given their great summer of business, the fact they've already been playing competitively and the fact that very few teams win away there - we could easily get 3 points from our first 5 matches. At which point I think even Ed Woodward might have noticed that United probably should have signed the player they've desperately needed for eons.
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It will look bad if we get off to a bad start. I don't think we'll beat Swansea away. They are extremely good at home and are further into their season and therefore more match fit than we are. That will be a really tough match, I would take a draw now to be honest.

And then we have even better teams to play. We'll get more than 3 points but it's conceivable that we only get 6-7 in the first 5 games.

It's been a very underwhelming summer so far but there's 3 weeks to fix that. But at the moment I don't see it happening.
 
Lawman said:
A lot of hypothetical thinking there Beachryan how about Moyes has tried to sign top class players and they are hard to come bye? Not rocket science would you rather he settle for mediocre players?
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I'd rather he tried to sign said world class players on July 2nd, was rejected by July 10th at the latest and then had 3 more weeks to sign alternatives.
 
thebelfastboy said:
Exactly my thoughts. I think we are trying to tie a deal up for a fabregas/ronaldo player to announce as moyes first signing and then the likes of baines will follow after that. The trouble seems to be with sealing the deal with fabregas or the bale situation holding up a ronaldo transfer. (i hope)

I'm still fairly confident that the club will unveil a marquee type signing this transfer window.
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You touched on Bale to Madrid which I think is a very valid point.

Once that happens, I can see Madrid letting a couple of players leave and then United may find themselves more open to selling Rooney once they have a couple of top-class talents in of their own.

I think the Bale situation will really set the tone and may be the firework that sets it all off.
 
Lawman said:
A lot of hypothetical thinking there Beachryan how about Moyes has tried to sign top class players and they are hard to come bye? Not rocket science would you rather he settle for mediocre players?
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We don't often sign top class players though. We usually sign younger players with great potential. If Moyes has focused all his attention on making one big marquee signing to mark his arrival (Bale/Fabregas/Ronaldo) and not made allowances for the chance that he might not get one and not looked at other players in the meantime, then I think that that could be a mistake.

We'll see.
 
Beachryan said:
Given Moyes has just now appeared to have looked at the fixture list, it makes it even more embarrassing. When we all saw the fixtures released it was a reaction of 'oh sh*t, that's a ridiculous start for the new manager'.

Which should have been followed by: 'so it'll be important he gets the new players in early, gives them time to settle with the team and are ready to hit that tough start running.'.

Instead we've signed no one before our first match, failed to sort out the Rooney situation and made eyes at a player who was never going to come, for over a month.

It's pretty farcical.

If we fail to win at Swansea - and that's very likely given their great summer of business, the fact they've already been playing competitively and the fact that very few teams win away there - we could easily get 3 points from our first 5 matches. At which point I think even Ed Woodward might have noticed that United probably should have signed the player they've desperately needed for eons.
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Embarrassing too!

I say sack him quick before the weekend...
 
Beachryan said:
Given Moyes has just now appeared to have looked at the fixture list, it makes it even more embarrassing. When we all saw the fixtures released it was a reaction of 'oh sh*t, that's a ridiculous start for the new manager'.

Which should have been followed by: 'so it'll be important he gets the new players in early, gives them time to settle with the team and are ready to hit that tough start running.'.

Instead we've signed no one before our first match, failed to sort out the Rooney situation and made eyes at a player who was never going to come, for over a month.

It's pretty farcical.

If we fail to win at Swansea - and that's very likely given their great summer of business, the fact they've already been playing competitively and the fact that very few teams win away there - we could easily get 3 points from our first 5 matches. At which point I think even Ed Woodward might have noticed that United probably should have signed the player they've desperately needed for eons.
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Yeah, Moyes mentioned the fixture list in his first press conference. Must be embarrassing for you to look like a fool in your opening sentence before somehow making an even bigger show of yourself.
 
acnumber9 said:
Yeah, Moyes mentioned that the fixture list in his first press conference. Must be embarrassing for you to look like a fool in your opening sentence before somehow making an even bigger show of yourself.
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What is this thing with Moyes and the fixture list? Did he question it in some way?
 
Name Changed said:
What is this thing with Moyes and the fixture list? Did he question it in some way?
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Yeah. He doesn't believe that's the way they were drawn out. He said he hoped it wasn't because Utd won the league so easy last season.
 
thebelfastboy said:
Exactly my thoughts. I think we are trying to tie a deal up for a fabregas/ronaldo player to announce as moyes first signing and then the likes of baines will follow after that. The trouble seems to be with sealing the deal with fabregas or the bale situation holding up a ronaldo transfer. (i hope)

I'm still fairly confident that the club will unveil a marquee type signing this transfer window.
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That would be ridiculously stupid though. We're United not Madrid, it's not about bringing in the galacticos but building a team. If any deals were that easy or close to completion then we'd sign them and get them integrated with the rest of the squad, not leave those deals on standby until we can get a 'big name,' which it looks unlikely we will at this stage.
 
Could not blame the man, for Moyes its like having a whole squad of new players around him.
 
Beachryan said:
Given Moyes has just now appeared to have looked at the fixture list, it makes it even more embarrassing. When we all saw the fixtures released it was a reaction of 'oh sh*t, that's a ridiculous start for the new manager'.

Which should have been followed by: 'so it'll be important he gets the new players in early, gives them time to settle with the team and are ready to hit that tough start running.'.

Instead we've signed no one before our first match, failed to sort out the Rooney situation and made eyes at a player who was never going to come, for over a month.

It's pretty farcical.

If we fail to win at Swansea - and that's very likely given their great summer of business, the fact they've already been playing competitively and the fact that very few teams win away there - we could easily get 3 points from our first 5 matches. At which point I think even Ed Woodward might have noticed that United probably should have signed the player they've desperately needed for eons.
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How is failing to sort the Rooney situation anyones fault? Do you expect them to sell to chelsea? Force some other club to bid for him? Brainwash him into not being an idiot? Not a lot of reasonable options for the club in this scenario.

As for our transfer dealings, I agree it doesn't look good now. We can only judge them when the transfer window is closed though, who knows who we might sign yet? Signing players early would have been the ideal but if doing it this way gets us the right players then they've made the right decision.

I don't believe a successfully run buisness like United would put idiots in charge of the team and transfers. They have logical reasons for doing what they're doing, you just have to accept that this logic won't always be apparent to those who aren't ITK.
 
Listening to Moyes , he seem to confirm to me that this Summer window as caught him off guard . Understandable considering Saf timing of his retirement and the appointment of Moyes. I doubt he had enough time to properly identify the players he wanted to bring to the club.
 
acnumber9 said:
Yeah, Moyes mentioned the fixture list in his first press conference. Must be embarrassing for you to look like a fool in your opening sentence before somehow making an even bigger show of yourself.
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Wow, very witty - good work. Way to add the discussion.

Do you think Moyes et al have done a good job preparing for this tough start? Why is Moyes talking about it now, why making excuses as to why he is a bit slow signing people?
 
Drifter said:
Listening to Moyes , he seem to confirm to me that this Summer window as caught him off guard . Understandable considering Saf timing of his retirement and the appointment of Moyes. I doubt he had enough time to properly identify the players he wanted to bring to the club.
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I doubt that to be the case as Moyes will have had an idea who he wanted and scouting reports on other targets its just not that easy buying them nowadays especially now that there are now new money clubs who throw money around like nothing.
 
Name Changed said:
What is this thing with Moyes and the fixture list? Did he question it in some way?
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He implied it was an anti-United conspiracy fix.

Bizarre stuff. And hardly likely to transmit confidence to the United players about the forthcoming games.
 
I don't know why we are not interested in Lars Bender. Top talent, far superior to supposed targets like Fellaini and worth more or less the same. Shame we never sign Germans.
 
Hellboy said:
I don't know why we are not interested in Lars Bender. Top talent, far superior to supposed targets like Fellaini and worth more or less the same. Shame we never sign Germans.
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We may be interested, he may not be interested in us, or his club may not want to sell. Not a lot we can do about that...
 
Beachryan said:
Wow, very witty - good work. Way to add the discussion.

Do you think Moyes et al have done a good job preparing for this tough start? Why is Moyes talking about it now, why making excuses as to why he is a bit slow signing people?
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I'd barely call your ramblings a discussion. I don't know. I haven't been present at training or privy to transfer negotiations. Have you? Fergie must have pretty slow too. It was only around this time last year we signed Van Persie. Even later with Berbatov. Everyone's useless.
 
Beachryan said:
Wow, very witty - good work. Way to add the discussion.

Do you think Moyes et al have done a good job preparing for this tough start? Why is Moyes talking about it now, why making excuses as to why he is a bit slow signing people?
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You have no idea what planning he has done, players aren't always available exactly when you want them. Would you rather he settled for lesser players and signed them 2 weeks ago?
 
walsh said:
You have no idea what planning he has done, players aren't always available exactly when you want them. Would you rather he settled for lesser players and signed them 2 weeks ago?
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Apparently so. He wanted us to sign Luis Gustavo. A player so good he signed for Wolfsburg.
 
GlastonSpur said:
He implied it was an anti-United conspiracy fix.

Bizarre stuff. And hardly likely to transmit confidence to the United players about the forthcoming games.
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Its not about that though, the point of it was to create siege mentality in the dressing room and to emphasise to the players how much we need to start well. Something United don't traditionally do well at.

If he genuinely thought it was s fix why bring it up now?
 
acnumber9 said:
Apparently so. He wanted us to sign Luis Gustavo. A player so good he signed for Wolfsburg.
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And just won a CL final, playing for the best side in Europe. And plays regularly for Brazil.

Great example. Keep up the good work.

In the past 3 seasons, Luis Gustavo has been a better player than Giggs, Fletcher, Anderson, Cleverley and Phil Jones. Therefore I can say with almost 100% certainty that he would improve our first XI and squad, and he was available.
 
Beachryan said:
And just won a CL final, playing for the best side in Europe. And plays regularly for Brazil.

Great example. Keep up the good work.

In the past 3 seasons, Luis Gustavo has been a better player than Giggs, Fletcher, Anderson, Cleverley and Phil Jones. Therefore I can say with almost 100% certainty that he would improve our first XI and squad, and he was available.
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And now he plays for Wolfsburg.
 
acnumber9 said:
And now he plays for Wolfsburg.
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I'm not sure he is what we are looking for we could get Mascherano or even Song for that role and they would be better than Gustavo imo but its not what we are looking for I'm guessing.
 
Lawman said:
I'm not sure he is what we are looking for we could get Mascherano or even Song for that role and they would be better than Gustavo imo but its not what we are looking for I'm guessing.
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Indeed. Beachryan wants us to sign him on the basis that he might be better than other players and then lumber ourselves with a player for several years who might not fit the way we want to play. He then criticises Moyes for his transfer dealings. Baffling.
 
acnumber9 said:
Indeed. Beachryan wants us to sign him on the basis that he might be better than other players and then lumber ourselves with a player for several years who might not fit the way we want to play. He then criticises Moyes for his transfer dealings. Baffling.
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Perish the thought of us lumbering ourselves with a player better than our current players. That sounds terrible.
 
Lawman said:
I'm not sure he is what we are looking for we could get Mascherano or even Song for that role and they would be better than Gustavo imo but its not what we are looking for I'm guessing.
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Well, it's taken 6 years to find the kind of midfielder we are looking for, and the most we could bid for him was £30m.

I hope it won't take another 6 years to find the next one.
 
acnumber9 said:
And now he plays for Wolfsburg.
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Wolfsburg, according to German pundits (and some of our resident German lads here on the Caf) underperformed last season due to poor management, and should in fact be in the CL given their financial resources and playing staff. It's not the backwater some make it out to be.

Not saying Gustavo was the man for us. I'm no expert on Gustavo, having seen him only sporadically. But he was wanted by big clubs (Arsenal and Inter, according to the rumours). And he ended up at a potentially strong Bundesliga side - who offered him a very handsome deal, financially.
 
Just hope his plans include back up to carrick, honestly can't imagine what we'd do if he's out for a spell, we've been lucky hes stayed fit most seasons, just one decent spell out though could easily cost us the title. Given fletchers still a pretty big doubt for when he might be back there's not even potentially an option outside of jones. Honestly feel its more pressing than a creative player.
 
Lawman said:
Moyes saying on sky sports that he expects signings to be made before the deadline (18 days)
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he also slipped a disclaimer in that it may not happen.

I think that's the key part of his latest words.
 
Sandikan said:
he also slipped a disclaimer in that it may not happen.

I think that's the key part of his latest words.
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I think it was more that he was saying he has confidence in the players and the squad as it is, if it comes to that. He's maintained all along that we'll have new players in, I don't see how him showing his backing of the current players acts as some subliminal warning that nobody is coming. Just means that should nothing happen (which you can never be sure of in football) then we're not in bad shape anyway and I wholeheartedly agree with that view.
 
It's got to a point where I'd be genuinely shocked to find out that we've signed a player, and it's only slightly more than two weeks until the transfer window closes.
 
Cantona07 said:
Hate to say it guys but its obvious, we battling in the transfer market.
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What's new? It's always a battle for us. We're constantly competing for elite (or potentially elite) players against clubs that are (in many way) more attractive than us. Even with SAF we regularly missed out on targets.
 
We need to chill out I think. The summer we signed Berbatov he was our only signing, made on the last day of the window, after a protracted saga, and could have STILL not joined us due to City's move at the last minute, but for the fact he wanted to play for us. I'm confident something will happen, it may not be somebody we were expecting, but given the recognition Moyes has displayed toward our midfield weaknesses I doubt he wouldn't give 110% to rectify it.
 
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