United in this Summer transfer window

Also, seems we tried to sign Fellaini at one stage back in 2006/07 or sometime like that

According to Roger Henrotay, the Belgian Under 21 star's agent, Fellaini snubbed a possible move to England because of his desire for first-team football.
"United phoned us yet again urging Marouane not to sign for Standard," Henrotay told the News of The World.
"But we did not obey them.
"The lad is young and he will get better still, but only if he plays first-team football.
"He'd have earned a lot more money had he gone to Old Trafford but he wouldn't have played."
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http://www.skysports.com/story/0,19528,11667_2492890,00.html
 
Wigan game can not come quick enough - and neither can the Swansea game.

I'm actually bored of this transfer window now, something I have never said before. If we don't sign anybody - chances are Moyes will use the youth more this season, which would be great really.
 
Dracula said:
Sorry, I'm quoting that. I'm certain you will be regretting that in year or so ;-)
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Good for you, if he were to come, and I am still hopeful that he wont, and exceeds my very low expectations for him you can come back to this thread and claim to have won the Internetz!

Varun_Utd said:
I dont think Jones has proven anything at CM. It has a lot to do with how he was used there too as we used him in a much more advanced role than he ideally should have been. Do you think he has the positional sense or the nous to play the holding role for us if Carrick got injured? Let that be, would you even be comfortable with a Jones-Clev CM pairing if we want to rest Carrick? I certainly wouldnt be and judging by the number of games Carrick played for us last season, the management seems to share the view.

Fellaini would add much needed steel in our CM, he'd make us defensively stronger and would add an extra dimension to our set pieces. He's also good at harrying the opposition and winning the ball back, tackling etc. We could do with that at CM.
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It might not be ideal but don't forget Fletcher is also due back and that surely will be his main role in the team as he's unlikely to have the engine anymore to play his old game. I just don't see the point in buying a very ordinary player for a stupidly large fee just to add cover and because we missed out on the class CM's, that's why you buy a Scott Parker, a stop gap until you can get someone who is actually good.
 
Raoul said:
I'd imagine Fellaini would improve the squad considerably, although as has been stated, the £23m fee would be about 7m too much.
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Even if he came for £12m the signing wouldn't get my juices flowing. The papers are partly to blame linking us with Bale, Ronaldo, Tiago none of who we've been going for and Fabregas confirmed who were we never going to get but you just feel that we should be better in the transfer market. Biggest club in the sport, over £100m profit a year and we go for Falaini? Not good enough IMO. Look at what Bayern, Real, Barca etc are doing and wonder if we'll compete in the CL next year to the latter stages. Will be tough.
 
Well it's the day before the Charity Shield. We have signed nobody. We are down a Paul Scholes. We might even lose Rooney, and if we don't, it seems likely that he won't be at his best because he doesn't want to be here. Basically, no matter which way the Top Reds try and argue against it, somebody, or several people, have seriously fecked up here.

With the games we have coming up, it should have been a priority to have the signings in and integrated Into the squad. Putting in a offer of £25 million for Fabragas is ridiculous for a club of this stature, or any stature for that matter. Fernandinho was 30mil ffs, and what has he done?
 
And Andy Carroll was 35m, so how much should Fabregas cost?

What we offered for Fabregas isn't the issue. The fact we've wasted so much time on an unlikely transfer and question marks over what other targets we have in mind, if we have in mind - that's the problem.
 
Since Fabregas turned us down all has gone incredibly quiet transfer wise hasnt it? My inner muppet needs feeding!
 
The closest thing to a classic United, up and coming, value in the market signing this summer was Thiago and apparently we weren't that eager. Whether because he wanted playing time guarantees or something else, I don't know. It doesn't bother me if we gave it our best shot and he chose Pep, it bothers me that we may not have tried.

Isco moved and we didn't even blink.

We didn't bid for any of the Madrid surplus midfielders - despite them signing three - at least not until a month into the pre-season when we apparently have decided to bid for one who probably doesn't now see himself as surplus to requirements.

We didn't move on Moutinho, Fernandinho, Illarramendi - I'm not saying that we should have done, just pointing out that there has been a lot of movement in the market.

If we're only looking for a player, proven, the finished article, world class then fine. We're unlikely to pick one up now, but it's a reasonable policy if we've decided to bet on our own youth. What I don't want to see now are a couple of squad players get signed and get in the way of younger ones.
 
StuCol said:
Well it's the day before the Charity Shield. We have signed nobody. We are down a Paul Scholes. We might even lose Rooney, and if we don't, it seems likely that he won't be at his best because he doesn't want to be here. Basically, no matter which way the Top Reds try and argue against it, somebody, or several people, have seriously fecked up here.

With the games we have coming up, it should have been a priority to have the signings in and integrated Into the squad. Putting in a offer of £25 million for Fabragas is ridiculous for a club of this stature, or any stature for that matter. Fernandinho was 30mil ffs, and what has he done?
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I do feel the whole Fabragas chase is one of the strangest transfer stories concerning United. There must have been some murmers from the player or agent etc that there might be a chance in him moving. Unless of course Fab was just playing united along to get more guarrantees at Barca. Just seems a bit unlike us that is all...

....now there are whispers there we might go for Modrice. Don't really know what to belive anymore. Still, if we don't sign anyone then so be it. Just got to get on with it and trust in some of the genuinely exciting young players getting their chance.
 
togg said:
I do feel the whole Fabragas chase is one of the strangest transfer stories concerning United. There must have been some murmers from the player or agent etc that there might be a chance in him moving. Unless of course Fab was just playing united along to get more guarrantees at Barca. Just seems a bit unlike us that is all...

....now there are whispers there we might go for Modrice. Don't really know what to belive anymore. Still, if we don't sign anyone then so be it. Just got to get on with it and trust in some of the genuinely exciting young players getting their chance.
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Well as Vato mentioned, maybe his agent really played us a bit and tried to put on some pressure on Barcelona. ALthough Fabregas said it was never about money, that's the only explanation I have as to why we made 2 or 3 bids for him.
 
Godfather said:
Since Fabregas turned us down all has gone incredibly quiet transfer wise hasnt it? My inner muppet needs feeding!
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Very quiet indeed. I guess that's good. #1 We won't be misled and think we're linked with someone, when in fact we're not. #2 United are keeping something under-wraps?
 
jojojo said:
The closest thing to a classic United, up and coming, value in the market signing this summer was Thiago and apparently we weren't that eager. Whether because he wanted playing time guarantees or something else, I don't know. It doesn't bother me if we gave it our best shot and he chose Pep, it bothers me that we may not have tried.

Isco moved and we didn't even blink.

We didn't bid for any of the Madrid surplus midfielders - despite them signing three - at least not until a month into the pre-season when we apparently have decided to bid for one who probably doesn't now see himself as surplus to requirements.

We didn't move on Moutinho, Fernandinho, Illarramendi - I'm not saying that we should have done, just pointing out that there has been a lot of movement in the market.

If we're only looking for a player, proven, the finished article, world class then fine. We're unlikely to pick one up now, but it's a reasonable policy if we've decided to bet on our own youth. What I don't want to see now are a couple of squad players get signed and get in the way of younger ones.
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Jojo let's be honest we have little to no idea who or what we have been doing! But so far Fabregas and Baines have bids been made this we know there may have been bids for other players but they are ongoing we just don't know. But it looks like Moyes is bang on with a centre mid and a left back opinion. I'd rather we sign nobody than somebody to make up the numbers. I'd be happy with Fellaini and Baines both are criminally underrated on the forum.
 
jojojo said:
The closest thing to a classic United, up and coming, value in the market signing this summer was Thiago and apparently we weren't that eager. Whether because he wanted playing time guarantees or something else, I don't know. It doesn't bother me if we gave it our best shot and he chose Pep, it bothers me that we may not have tried.

Isco moved and we didn't even blink.

We didn't bid for any of the Madrid surplus midfielders - despite them signing three - at least not until a month into the pre-season when we apparently have decided to bid for one who probably doesn't now see himself as surplus to requirements.

We didn't move on Moutinho, Fernandinho, Illarramendi - I'm not saying that we should have done, just pointing out that there has been a lot of movement in the market.

If we're only looking for a player, proven, the finished article, world class then fine. We're unlikely to pick one up now, but it's a reasonable policy if we've decided to bet on our own youth. What I don't want to see now are a couple of squad players get signed and get in the way of younger ones.
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Good points all across.
 
Whether it's right or not, a lot of external people are already giving the club pelters for the summer we've had. I'll always maintain that a lot of it has stemmed from the fact that we've failed in the transfer market. To this day, no one can come up with a plausible reason for being so public in pursuit of Fabregas; I just don't think we needed to approach the chase in that way, and our failure to land the player has ratcheted up the pressure. I also don't know how easy it is to subsequently land players that know we've only gone for them as a second choice.

We've been very transparent this summer but also extremely flat-footed. There's a lot to be said about the way City have gone about their business.
 
Hernandez - BFA said:
Very quiet indeed. I guess that's good. #1 We won't be misled and think we're linked with someone, when in fact we're not. #2 United are keeping something under-wraps?
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Hopefully. ALthough I agree with jojojo. Rather let the young guns play and give them chances than only buy for the sake of it. ALthough I highly doubt that we would do that. We never have.
 
Problem is, we don't really have an exceptionally talented enough center midfielder in our youths that we could throw in to the first team. Petrucci? Maybe. I haven't seen any of him since he went on loan - not sure how that worked out for him. Powell - looked good every time I watched him, but by the end of the last season he was playing like a forward wasn't he? Plus he's still injured I believe so that'll take time for him to return to normal.
 
Hernandez - BFA said:
Problem is, we don't really have an exceptionally talented enough center midfielder in our youths that we could throw in to the first team. Petrucci? Maybe. I haven't seen any of him since he went on loan - not sure how that worked out for him. Powell - looked good every time I watched him, but by the end of the last season he was playing like a forward wasn't he? Plus he's still injured I believe so that'll take time for him to return to normal.
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I'm not sure but for me the Fellaini deal seems a cert to go through. Not more than a feeling though. Think he might do ok for us in midfield. Nothing spezial but gives us options.
 
togg said:
I do feel the whole Fabragas chase is one of the strangest transfer stories concerning United. There must have been some murmers from the player or agent etc that there might be a chance in him moving. Unless of course Fab was just playing united along to get more guarrantees at Barca. Just seems a bit unlike us that is all...

....now there are whispers there we might go for Modrice. Don't really know what to belive anymore. Still, if we don't sign anyone then so be it. Just got to get on with it and trust in some of the genuinely exciting young players getting their chance.
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Of course there were murmurs, agents murmur all the time, it's their job. The question is whether we put all our eggs in one murmur basket.

Madrid and Barca play the market pretty openly at times, and often don't get their man. Sometimes they're playing the long game and expect to go back for the player next year, with both the player and the selling club acclimatized to the idea. Alternatively they do what Barca are doing now, throwing offers out for 4 or 5 centre backs to see if any player/club bites.
 
Feed Me said:
Whether it's right or not, a lot of external people are already giving the club pelters for the summer we've had. I'll always maintain that a lot of it has stemmed from the fact that we've failed in the transfer market. To this day, no one can come up with a plausible reason for being so public in pursuit of Fabregas; I just don't think we needed to approach the chase in that way, and our failure to land the player has ratcheted up the pressure. I also don't know how easy it is to subsequently land players that know we've only gone for them as a second choice.

We've been very transparent this summer but also extremely flat-footed. There's a lot to be said about the way City have gone about their business.
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Indeed. I'm not going to criticise the way we've handled the transfer window until it closes, we may still make impressive signings for all I know. Having said that, there's no questiong the fact that, at this moment, it certainly looks like we've been poor in the way we've handled ourselves. I think it is contributing extra negativity and doubt to the beginning of the post-SAF era, which is the last thing the new manager needs. Moyes was always going to encounter some level of criticism and hostility if we didn't make a good start to the new season, but the perception of our dealings in the transfer market means that this process has begun before the season has even started.
 
At this point we need to stabilize CM. Considering how Woody talked if we sell Rooney before we bring someone (and we cant keep Rooney) then all clubs will sense blood and will start asking ridiculous money for their players. Felliani had been the end of my jokes at a regular rate but if we get him and Cabaye + sell Rooney Ill be satisfied. Its not the best situation possible but we were never big in the transfer market in the first place.
 
devilish said:
At this point we need to stabilize CM. Considering how Woody talked if we sell Rooney before we bring someone (and we cant keep Rooney) then all clubs will sense blood and will start asking ridiculous money for their players. Felliani had been the end of my jokes at a regular rate but if we get him and Cabaye + sell Rooney Ill be satisfied. Its not the best situation possible but we were never big in the transfer market in the first place.
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I think that would do. My last hope for this transfer window is that we manage to pull a surprise and get someone better than the likes of Fellaini or Cabaye. That's just a hope at this stage though, right now I'm thinking in terms of damage limitation.
 
At this rate we are Gonna end up with a silly overpriced panic buy like cabaye on the day the window shuts or the news Phil Neville comes out of retirement.
To be competitive both domestically and In Europe we need quality first team players- not squad players- we surely must be looking at gundogan and/or modric.
 
jojojo said:
The closest thing to a classic United, up and coming, value in the market signing this summer was Thiago and apparently we weren't that eager. Whether because he wanted playing time guarantees or something else, I don't know. It doesn't bother me if we gave it our best shot and he chose Pep, it bothers me that we may not have tried.

Isco moved and we didn't even blink.

We didn't bid for any of the Madrid surplus midfielders - despite them signing three - at least not until a month into the pre-season when we apparently have decided to bid for one who probably doesn't now see himself as surplus to requirements.

We didn't move on Moutinho, Fernandinho, Illarramendi - I'm not saying that we should have done, just pointing out that there has been a lot of movement in the market.

If we're only looking for a player, proven, the finished article, world class then fine. We're unlikely to pick one up now, but it's a reasonable policy if we've decided to bet on our own youth. What I don't want to see now are a couple of squad players get signed and get in the way of younger ones.
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This is a solid post. Massively frustrating and answers the "who can we sign anyway" questions.
 
Perhaps Eddie should be put to trial as a war criminal, found guilty and given a death sentence.
 
jojojo said:
The closest thing to a classic United, up and coming, value in the market signing this summer was Thiago and apparently we weren't that eager. Whether because he wanted playing time guarantees or something else, I don't know. It doesn't bother me if we gave it our best shot and he chose Pep, it bothers me that we may not have tried.

Isco moved and we didn't even blink.

We didn't bid for any of the Madrid surplus midfielders - despite them signing three - at least not until a month into the pre-season when we apparently have decided to bid for one who probably doesn't now see himself as surplus to requirements.

We didn't move on Moutinho, Fernandinho, Illarramendi - I'm not saying that we should have done, just pointing out that there has been a lot of movement in the market.

If we're only looking for a player, proven, the finished article, world class then fine. We're unlikely to pick one up now, but it's a reasonable policy if we've decided to bet on our own youth. What I don't want to see now are a couple of squad players get signed and get in the way of younger ones.
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Add those names to the list of midfielders that have moved/been available over the past few years and you really have to question what the feck we've been playing at. It got to the stage where I came to the conclusion that Fergie had made it a personal goal of his to try and win the league with the worst midfield possible.
 
amolbhatia100 said:
On Twitter Gary Neville said that we have a lot of options in midfield (listing the likes of jones down too) and it has to be someone special to get in, otherwise were better off with things as they are. I completely disagree. There has to be a middle ground between fabregas and Anderson/Cleverley. It's time to, if we can't get a top midfielder in, to get a very good one or two IMO.
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Responding to a post a few pages back now but why would we buy a midfielder who doesn't really improve on the options we already have just for the sake of buying a midfielder? This is the exact reason I came into this thread; though it is arguably less relevant now because of the oil barons and ridiculously rich clubs around, I think the mistake we made earlier this window was openly identifying the midfield as a place we need to strengthen. Granted, everyone has been saying that for a while but for us to also officially say that's what we think can only push prices up because

1. Clubs know we're on the market for a midfielder
2. Entice our rivals to buy quality midfielders to keep us from getting them
3. Because of the first two points, encourage selling clubs to cause a bidding war.

We're not going to get anywhere bidding £25m for players like Fabregas. I personally would not be all that upset if we bought Fellaini as long as he was a squad player, as he is most definitely not the hole player he liked to think his last season and he can and should only act as cover for Carrick.
 
Ruud10 said:
Perhaps Eddie should be put to trial as a war criminal, found guilty and given a death sentence.
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No, give it a couple of games first; it's only fair that we give the new regime time.
 
jojojo said:
The closest thing to a classic United, up and coming, value in the market signing this summer was Thiago and apparently we weren't that eager. Whether because he wanted playing time guarantees or something else, I don't know. It doesn't bother me if we gave it our best shot and he chose Pep, it bothers me that we may not have tried.

Isco moved and we didn't even blink.

We didn't bid for any of the Madrid surplus midfielders - despite them signing three - at least not until a month into the pre-season when we apparently have decided to bid for one who probably doesn't now see himself as surplus to requirements.

We didn't move on Moutinho, Fernandinho, Illarramendi - I'm not saying that we should have done, just pointing out that there has been a lot of movement in the market.

If we're only looking for a player, proven, the finished article, world class then fine. We're unlikely to pick one up now, but it's a reasonable policy if we've decided to bet on our own youth. What I don't want to see now are a couple of squad players get signed and get in the way of younger ones.
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This.
 
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