United in this Summer transfer window
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feck Fellaini. Why aren't we going for Kondogbia? His release clause is probably half the price of what Fellaini would cost.
No one has said we are going for Fellaini, people are just making an assumption based on our weak areas and the fact that he was the standout player in that position for Moyes' last team. Calm your tits
It's not official, but there's Twitter and Paper rumours about Fellaini, probably baseless, but still being mentioned. Not a whipser about Kondogbia. It's all Chelsea and Arsenal so far. I'd hope we are taking a taking a look at that big unit from Sevilla. He looks super.
Fellaini is PL ready for starters.
It fecking annoys me how under-rated he is amongst some of you.
It fecking annoys me how under-rated he is amongst some of you.
I dont think a lot of people have seen a lot of him, and from highlights on MOTD etc he can look like he's just a physical bully. And considering who we have been linked to (Thiago, Fabregas, Lewandowski previously and the like) its easy to see why people would feel underwhelmed by the prospect of Fellaini. Of course, I think that a lot of people's perceptions would change if/when we sign him, and everyone sees him regularly for us
It's also annoying that no-one understands the difference between not rating him and not wanting him at the club. I like Fellaini, and I'm not one of those who think he's just a physical bully. But that doesn't change the fact that I don't think he's what we need right now, I don't think he'd fit in, and I don't want him here.
That's not what I mean. Some on here actually make him out as if he's genuinely shit. No point denying that - I've read stuff that makes him sound like a poor man's Gibson+Djemba Djemba lovechild.
I don't see why we don't need him. If at the end of the window, he's at United I'd be pleased really. If Moyes believes Fellaini is up for the step up from Everton to United, then who are to to say otherwise? Moyes has worked with Fellaini for a few years now - he knows him more than any of us.
Great player. Just not big enough of a name for some of the Caf nobheads. Ignore them. If Moyes thinks he is good enough, then he will bid for him. If he doesn't, then he never was.
I know you weren't talking about everyone, but generally if you say you don't want Fellaini you get as if you must be one of the people you are talking about, which is annoying.
I can't be bothered to go into the many reasons I think he's not what we need and wouldn't suit us very well. I've done it three or four times over the summer already. I will say that the 'Moyes knows him better than us so who are we to argue' argument is pointless. It's a football forum for fans - if we didn't express opinions about things which we are not experts on, the forum wouldn't exist. Not being David Moyes doesn't make my opinion on Fellaini invalid.
Of course not. I didn't mean that no one should discuss it - I meant that Moyes' opinion is superior to ours when it comes to Fellaini. I doubt the majority here have watche a full game of him unless its against us.
He's not a big enough of a name because he hasn't earnt it. He's bullied a few teams with a physical style of play. That's a bit different to what someone like Fabregas has done.
I'd just prefer it of we bought players who could command a game with the ball at their feet rather than using their shoulders and chest.
If we're after that big man for midfield then Matic looks like the man. The best thing about him is that he will get stuck in and bully the opposition, but is also technically superb. He's a good dribbler and has a good passing range.
Struck by just how bad this would be.
First up, you're the unholy product of analysis sex.
To make matters worse, genetically you are a cross between one of the worst midfielders we had under saf, and a very ordinary player who wasn't good enough for United. Inauspicious parentage to say the least. Tho at least they both made a living playing football I guess.
But that's too good. You were the talking about a poor man's version of the above. That can hardly be called rich, but it can make ends meet, at least. It may struggle some months but ultimately it doesn't starve. A poor man's version would be in a desperate state indeed.
20 years today since we signed Keane. It's time Dave.
Fellaini as a fall back if we don't get Fabregas doesn't make any sense whatsoever. If we were going to go after Fellaini we'd be doing it already as Moyes knows they are more likely to sell early and give themselves a chance at a replacement than let him go near deadline day.
Despite Arsenal apparently making moves towards him, we still haven't stepped up our interest in him. I'd say its pretty obvious he is not a target for us.
Despite Arsenal apparently making moves towards him, we still haven't stepped up our interest in him. I'd say its pretty obvious he is not a target for us.
Fellaini has a release clause. We can get him anytime we want as long as he wants to move to us. The fact that we haven't signed him yet suggests that either we are not in for him or he is not our first choice in midfield
Fellani won't be a back up choice to Fabregas, i think Cabaye that back up. Think we'll go for Fellani regardless. Moyes talks about the first signing being the right one, i personally think we're probably trying to push through a marqee name before we go after Fellani, Baines etc etc.
One thing that concerns me is that Moyes seems to be playing it very safe with our midfield targets, everyone we've been linked to Fabregas, Modric, Cabaye, Fellani are midfielders that have premier league experience, which is fine, but it's looking likely the first two targets are out of reach. I'm sure our scouting network have probably identified many other midfielders on the continent that we are confident of adapting to the PL?
One thing that concerns me is that Moyes seems to be playing it very safe with our midfield targets, everyone we've been linked to Fabregas, Modric, Cabaye, Fellani are midfielders that have premier league experience, which is fine, but it's looking likely the first two targets are out of reach. I'm sure our scouting network have probably identified many other midfielders on the continent that we are confident of adapting to the PL?
Time to revisit the past and sign Dembele and Sneijder.
Without trying to make this all about Fabregas who is undoubtedly our #1 target, when do you think United will start actually getting busy?
Respectfully ignoring Varela, I can't remember us ever leaving it this late before signing our first player (Maybe the "only Carrick" summer?)
And by getting busy, I mean sales too. Despite the United denials, Rooney is by all appearances going to be off at some point this/next month.
Respectfully ignoring Varela, I can't remember us ever leaving it this late before signing our first player (Maybe the "only Carrick" summer?)
And by getting busy, I mean sales too. Despite the United denials, Rooney is by all appearances going to be off at some point this/next month.
'By all appearances', I'd say he's probably not going anywhere, as I have done all summer. As you note, it's now very late in the season to be letting such an important player leave, especially with no corresponding quality brought in. Do you think Moyes is stupid?
Moyes' introduction was always going to delay transfer dealings 'til later in the window. He can hardly come in and starting selling players, he has to give them a chance. It'd only unsettle some of the squad to see team mates getting shafted with little to no chance under the new management.
As for purchasing, centre midfield is, or at least seems to us to be, a difficult area to strengthen. It's proved to be our trickiest.
Well no I don't. I noted yesterday that I think Moyes wants to bring in a top-class player before selling. But I do think Rooney will leave. Unless of course, we fail to sign anybody of real quality. Then I could see us being a bit more stubborn.
In the modern game, few clubs retain a player who is as desperate to leave as Rooney is. My mind casts to the Berbatov saga whilst he was at Spurs. It was denial after denial after denial but Berbatov wanted to go so badly that it inevitably happened.
Well I hate to contradict myself by now mentioning Cesc, but he is the only semi-realistic player I can see coming in and really turning our CM on its head. If a new manager has to give all their players chances, then would Barca's new boss let Cesc go straight away?
I agree, CM is going to be a tough nut to crack. We seem to have absolutely no luck with it at all.
To be honest, either Modric or Fellaini would be a significant improvement to our midfield too.
Yep, I agree on that. I mean, I don't think he's likely to leave. But I'm absolutely certain he won't go anywhere unless we get a top quality addition in.
*as desperate to leave as Rooney reportedly is. And I can't stress that enough.
Modric yes. I prefer Clevz to Fellaini, with our style of play.
Well if he were happy, I don't think we would have a saga. They'd have denied it for sure.
I don't necessarily agree, but I've had this argument twice this week already and I can't be arsed to have it again.
I strongly agree with the first line, by the way. I wouldn't object to Fellaini coming in as back-up to Carrick (as at the moment we actually have no-one at all to do that job), but only if he definitely wasn't going to be used in Cleverley's place.
To be fair you only italicized the word - you could have bolded and underlined it as well.
Obviously Moyes is more used to shopping in Lidl and not Sainsburys but I'd sum the summer up like this
The Shopping Trip
Father: David, here's some money. Take youself off down the shops now, theres a good lad.
David: But Daddy, thats a full wallet! How much can i spend!?
Father: get whatever you want. But none of that crap in Lidl this time you hear? Go to Sainsburys
David: wow! thanks Daddy!
Father: actually take your cousin Ed too. He's hanging around the house getting under my feet
David: ok, thanks Daddy
[Later, young David and Ed are standing outside the shop]
David: ok Ed, I dont want to carry this wallet, its too heavy. If i point to things I want, you buy them?
Ed: ok David.
[Walking around the store, David spys a "Thiago"]
David: Look Ed, its one of the new ones! Can I get that?
Ed: Sure! lets go and have a look at it.
[Both are inspecting the Thiago]
Ed: interesting, its got a special offer on it. Buy it now, and we'll get it cheaper
David: cool! ok, lets go look around the other aisles and we'll come back to it
[The 2 wander off and come back half an hour later. A german has taken the last remaining Thiago off the shelves and is currently at the till paying for it]
Ed: Noooooooooooo!!
David: sniff. sniff. [Sobbing...] I didnt want it anyway
Ed: its alright David, lets go look for other things to buy
[Walking around, they spot something shiny up above the very highest shelf]
David: I want that! Go buy it!
Ed: Its too high, I cant get that. Besides, Im not sure we can buy that
David: I dont care! I want it! I want it! I want it!
[Ed stops a member of staff]
Ed: please can we get that item down to purchase it?
staff member: but sir, I cant sell that!
Ed: everything has a price. I'll give you £29 for it
staff member: I cant sell it! Its not for sale
Ed: £30
staff member: really sir, I cant sell it
Ed: £35 and i've got some vouchers here too
staff member: I cant sell that, its a store alarm. it belongs to the store
Ed: we'll pay whatever it takes! get me your manager
staff member: he's resigned. We're waiting for a new store manager to start.
Ed: we'll wait..
The Shopping Trip
Father: David, here's some money. Take youself off down the shops now, theres a good lad.
David: But Daddy, thats a full wallet! How much can i spend!?
Father: get whatever you want. But none of that crap in Lidl this time you hear? Go to Sainsburys
David: wow! thanks Daddy!
Father: actually take your cousin Ed too. He's hanging around the house getting under my feet
David: ok, thanks Daddy
[Later, young David and Ed are standing outside the shop]
David: ok Ed, I dont want to carry this wallet, its too heavy. If i point to things I want, you buy them?
Ed: ok David.
[Walking around the store, David spys a "Thiago"]
David: Look Ed, its one of the new ones! Can I get that?
Ed: Sure! lets go and have a look at it.
[Both are inspecting the Thiago]
Ed: interesting, its got a special offer on it. Buy it now, and we'll get it cheaper
David: cool! ok, lets go look around the other aisles and we'll come back to it
[The 2 wander off and come back half an hour later. A german has taken the last remaining Thiago off the shelves and is currently at the till paying for it]
Ed: Noooooooooooo!!
David: sniff. sniff. [Sobbing...] I didnt want it anyway
Ed: its alright David, lets go look for other things to buy
[Walking around, they spot something shiny up above the very highest shelf]
David: I want that! Go buy it!
Ed: Its too high, I cant get that. Besides, Im not sure we can buy that
David: I dont care! I want it! I want it! I want it!
[Ed stops a member of staff]
Ed: please can we get that item down to purchase it?
staff member: but sir, I cant sell that!
Ed: everything has a price. I'll give you £29 for it
staff member: I cant sell it! Its not for sale
Ed: £30
staff member: really sir, I cant sell it
Ed: £35 and i've got some vouchers here too
staff member: I cant sell that, its a store alarm. it belongs to the store
Ed: we'll pay whatever it takes! get me your manager
staff member: he's resigned. We're waiting for a new store manager to start.
Ed: we'll wait..
This feels about right! We really need to get organised. All that bullshite about Moyes only starting 3 weeks ago is not good enough. This is a big job, apparently Ferguson barely had a holiday and Moyes needs to the same. Mid-table management is not good enough any more!!
I honestly believe we have £100m to spend (perhaps including rooney sale) but think moyes will struggle to spend it.
How would you feel if we didn't sign a big name this window? Fabregas stays at barca, bale to Madrid, would you rather we settle/panic and buy Fellaini or similar or sit it our and wait until next year?
I think we'll go into the season with perhaps a squad player added to the midfield such as McCarthy and then go after ronaldo next summer.
How would you feel if we didn't sign a big name this window? Fabregas stays at barca, bale to Madrid, would you rather we settle/panic and buy Fellaini or similar or sit it our and wait until next year?
I think we'll go into the season with perhaps a squad player added to the midfield such as McCarthy and then go after ronaldo next summer.
I don't mind at all about not signing a big name player (I never expected we would) but I hoped we'd see some decent options for central-midfield brought in at long fecking last. I'd like us to do whatever business we are going to do sooner rather than later so they can get working with the rest of the squad asap.
Is it me or is it genuinely bizarre that there has been no room in the squad in the last 6 years to spend 0-5m on a midfield clogger to close space and kick the opposition?
It just seems odd that every team has one and we have never really had one since Keane left (not to say that it is what he was to our squad at the time).
It just seems odd that every team has one and we have never really had one since Keane left (not to say that it is what he was to our squad at the time).
I don't think United have ever had a midfield player whose job is to merely close space and kick the opposition.
Maybe not "merely", but we've had players capable of doing it.
And the other big clubs don't have such a player either, even Khedira is far more refined than that, let alone Vidal, Busquets or Martinez. Lassana Diarra wasn't exactly a roaring success at Madrid and he's the one who comes closest to that description out of all the CMs employed by European giants in recent years.