Nice one Scholesy.
About time we tried it the Madrid way of getting these kind of "come to us" type statements out
About time we tried it the Madrid way of getting these kind of "come to us" type statements out
United in this Summer transfer window
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Imo, both clubs stand to gain from a heavily publicized transfer as it boost fans interest in a period when it supposed to be all quiet. In Italy there are I dont know how many newspapers dedicated to sports and they found out that sales tend to peak during the silly season...
In the gold old days, summer was the time when people would switch off football (unless there was a world cup), but today with the media being so pervasive, football has become something 24x7. And clubs and all those who has a vested interest in the sport are cashing on this.
In the gold old days, summer was the time when people would switch off football (unless there was a world cup), but today with the media being so pervasive, football has become something 24x7. And clubs and all those who has a vested interest in the sport are cashing on this.
I'd like to reply but I am terribly hungover and find myself at a place I've never been before so will probably have to check that where the feck am I before doing something aboutI it.
Totally agree our midfield along with left back is an area that needs sorted no doubt but its not as bad as people are making out. And to say it is one of SAF mistakes is what I was objecting too. No doubt there is players who could strengthen it but pointing out the fact we bought young for £17m means nothing other than SAF thought we needed this area covered more than centre mid and he was obviously correct given how we rumped the league.
Sunny jim I agree we need to strengthen this area but every top four- five team this season needed strengthened not just us in certain areas. But look at Chelsea with there many millions with Obi lampard Ramieres who won the Champs league that's not better than our choices! We could have better no doubt but SAF strengthened with Kagawa and RVP and im happy with that if we have to persist with this midfield for another season because of this i dont mind as we are not as bad as some are making out! And last season Fergie IMO was proved correct.
That logic is fallacious in the extreme. We signed Bebe in 2010 and won the league after that. Does that automatically mean he was a good signing?
Also, we signed Young in 2011. We didn't romp the league after that; in fact, we lost it, we were comfortably outplayed twice by the eventual champions and crashed out of the group stage in the Champions League.
But even if we accept that in the short term it was the right decision not to strengthen the midfield (it wasn't) there's still the problem that in the long term it was definitely the wrong one. Now we're absolutely crying out for quality additions, everyone knows that and we're struggling to bring in players - at the time when we had a managerial change and Moyes also has to deal with the Rooney situation.
If we had just one under-30 quality CM in the squad right now there would be a whole lotta less pressure on Moyes. As it stands, he simply must get some reinforcements, no matter how expensive they might be (and no matter if they aren't as good as players we could have got in earlier summers) - or pray that our 32-year-old midfielder who can never be rested will maintain his form and fitness throughout the entire season.
We lost the league on goal difference that year! So we went and used our budget to sign arguably the best centre forward in the world these players are not always available and sometimes this dictates your transfer policy I'd guess. I'm sure if we had endless funds midfield would have been added too. But Moyes is coming into a club that without him signing any players are more than capable of winning the league and challenging the champions league. Our midfield needs improved of course it does but it's hardly a disaster or a Fergie mistake that is just wrong IMHO. (I do agree on many of your points just not to the same extent)
Seriously hope the club have been working on other deals during the Fabregas 'saga'. Moyes is confident we will add and a month is a long time in the transfer window, but you have to say it only gets harder from here on as clubs will not want to lose their key players with a few weeks left in the transfer window... and probably, for some clubs the football season might already have started by then and I assume we ourselves would want to concentrate on the tough fixtures we have ahead...
I've genuinely forgotten what it's like to sign a player.
What happened with van Persie? Did the announcement come out of nowhere? Was it expected? It was so long ago.
I sort of remember Zaha, but not well. I remember a few rumors before he signed. I remember never thinking it was off.
What happened with van Persie? Did the announcement come out of nowhere? Was it expected? It was so long ago.
I sort of remember Zaha, but not well. I remember a few rumors before he signed. I remember never thinking it was off.
It's reaching the point where the options are running dry, thankfully Nani and Evra seem to be styaing even without signing new contracts, so even if we lose them for free next summer we don't need to replace them until then.
That still leaves the need for two CM additions though and it seems like any real quality is currently out of reach, so it will be interesting to see if Moyes decides to wait or if he goes for lesser talents just to have another body in there.
That still leaves the need for two CM additions though and it seems like any real quality is currently out of reach, so it will be interesting to see if Moyes decides to wait or if he goes for lesser talents just to have another body in there.
Van Persie was quite a long, drawn-out saga. And even at the end there were conflicting reports. On August 14, The Independent published an article, referring to The Press Association, which said that according to their information no club had matched Arsenal's asking price and the saga is set to continue. A day later United announced the deal on the official website.
I don't remember any move for a top player happen without a fuss. Most of these 'sagas' are long drawn.
Don't think that Moyes comments were an acceptance of defeat in the pursuit. Still some legs left, IMO.
Don't think that Moyes comments were an acceptance of defeat in the pursuit. Still some legs left, IMO.
Does anyone think this no budget remark is going to come back to haunt Ed Woodward and DM?
Nope
Papers seem to be going with the possibility that we will start the season with no new signings.
Looking very likely indeed. Still a couple of weeks to go, but there aren't really any realistic targets in an advanced negotiating position. Hopefully we won't be in a position where we have to rush through 3rd or 4th choice transfers at the very end of the window for extortionate amounts of cash.
With a new manager in place that's just not going to happen. As ridiculous as it sounds, Moyes need a big signing to get the fans on his side.
Can you imagine the pitch forks if there are no new signings?
Nonsense. There's over a month to go, we will get in a couple of players at least and no doubt let a couple go too.
Something that I've been thinking about in terms of Moyes going for established players for now and Ferguson going for potential over the last few seasons is that I think it's down to Fergie giving his predecessor every chance with a side yet to fulfil its potential. Moyes is then able to go for a couple of stars in key positions and finish the squad, again giving himself every chance at success.
I feel sorry for Moyes, he has asked for signings and it hasn't happened. That is not his fault. Things might get easier for him and he might be able to get more involved once he is back in Europe.
It depends on who he wanted. Going for established players will always be hard.
Maybe we are so obsessed with going for the big name that we are losing sight of other players who are not as famous but could do just as well. It is always said that we have this great scouting system. I think we have got lazy and we just have someone sat in a room in Manchester watching DVD'S and reading papers online not going watching lesser players in games. We only seem to be visible at cup finals etc. Spurs got Bale from Southampton and could not go for a world record fee. There are players out there if they can be bothered looking.
We bid for Bale, Southampton just never responded and sold him to Spurs. Our scouting system got us Pogba from France who's market value is upwards of £10 million today. Hernandez, Januzaj, Da Silvas, the list can go on. Even this season we have bought a young right back nobody had ever heard of before. Our scouting department is more than fine.
Didn't we try and sign Bale from Southampton but they failed to respond to our enquiry?
I think we did, but it shows if you look there could be other ones out there. Hopefully Nick Powell can be useful for us. I just think that because we are listed on the NYSE that the club are now desperate to keep the shares at a good price. For that we need to keep winning as well.
Why haven't we flogged off the likes of Bebe and Macheda, though? Moyes clearly don't see a future for them. Are they so inexplicably shite that no one has tried to buy them yet?
Imagine getting Cabaye for 35 mil 3 minutes before the windows shuts
i will not happen though
Low wages. Meaning no real need to sell.
The big concern is that we end up like City last season and sign our 7th or 8th choices rather than 1st or 2nd.
Relatively high wages which means you can't get shot.
Well considering our first and second choices were Fabregas and Thiago, that is inevitable really.
Fergie was supposed to have several big signings at an advanced stage when he left. Who were they other than Thiago?
Fergie didnt think Bale was worth what Southampton wanted. It happens. He passed over Zidane - no one is infallible but he's made far more great decisions than bad ones.
Fergie was also supposed not to have retired. He knew he was going for a few months, he wasn't going to make summer signings.
It's proving frustrating so far but hopefully we can somehow Fabregas.
Aside from maybe an audacious attempt to land Bale, the other options don't excite much.
Aside from maybe an audacious attempt to land Bale, the other options don't excite much.
Am not even thinking of big or exciting signings. Any midfielder who can act as cover for Carrick will do.
I would be very happy if we add Fellaini and/or Baines (or a second midfielder) to the team. I will admit I wanted Thiago (as much to piss off barca as anything). Fabregas would be good too. Remember that anything we don't spend tends to get rolled-over into the next year (like Ruud).
Got to add a quality midfielder this year, will be really disappointed if we don't.
Got to add a quality midfielder this year, will be really disappointed if we don't.
Next year is a World Cup year. Prices will be astronomical and no business will get done til the end of July.
If Ronaldo doesn't sign with the Virus this year...Its on!