Zaha.
United in this Summer transfer window
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Zaha.
Here I was hoping for Bale or Ronaldo. 
He is young one. Would take him to settle.
I hope that we sign another established winger for the left wing position and sell Nani.
Why should selling Nani be a priority?
We've currently got Nani, Valencia, Young, Welbeck, Zaha, Giggs, Kagawa and Rooney who can all play on the wing; it's hardly a priority position.
I'd rather keep Nani than push out the boat for a winger. No one out there exciting that's readily available. Isco's likely going to City and Navas has already gone there. Schurrle's gone to Chelsea and Goetze to Bayern. Which winger is out there who's been proven for a couple years in a decent league? Oh right, Di Maria but not too sure on him.
Thiago, McCarthy/Mendy/Strootman and youth signings and we're good.
Bale and Ronaldo are up in the air and extraordinary circumstances.
Thiago, McCarthy/Mendy/Strootman and youth signings and we're good.
Bale and Ronaldo are up in the air and extraordinary circumstances.
If Nani and Rooney go I agree that we could do with a versatile attacker being brought in, but I don't see that many really good ones that are available.
And we have got Giggs, Powell, Carrick, Anderson, Cleverley, Fletcher, Jones, Rooney and Rafael who can all play in the midfield. Why should we sign a midfielder?
It has been 6 inconsistent years with Nani and it is time to move him on. More than the midfield, it was the wings that hampered us last season. For a club, who playing philosophy revolves around wide men, our wing play was piss poor.
We pretty much know what we'll get with Nani at this stage and unfortunately that is not good enough, in my opinion. Zaha is a good investment, who should bear fruits in the near future. Though we should get another proper wide player, preferably with a left foot, for the left wing.
Don't be stupid.
Those I named can play effectively on the wings. You responded by being ridiculous. Raphael? feck off.
In regards to Nani, during the 11/12 season he scored eight goals and assisted twelve in twenty-nine league games; he was easily the best winger in the league and had been performing to a very high standard for two years - he scored nine and assisted nineteen in the season before. The season just gone he suffered a major injury, did his hamstring and spent eleven weeks sidelined and he never really recovered from that. You're judging him unfairly and, quite obviously, the wings aren't a priority at all.
Five of the names I mentioned are central midfielders. Giggs has played there for 3 seasons now. Jones played a lot of games in the midfield. Rooney has also played a few times over the last two seasons. I'll give you Rafael
.Ability to play effectively doesn't mean much. Or we won't have almost 150 pages in the Thiago thread.
That season when Valencia won the player of the season?
Nani's best period was the 6 months during the 2010-2011 season when Rooney threw a tantrum and Nani-Berbatov combined kept us in the league. For the rest of his stay he has been highly inconsistent. Able to put in world class performances in one or two games and then dog shit for the next five.
It's the same with Nani as it is with Anderson. They have been here 6 seasons and have still not been able to command a starting position for themselves.
IMO, the wings are should be as much a priority as the midfield.
Five of the names I mentioned are central midfielders. Giggs has played there for 3 seasons now. Jones played a lot of games in the midfield. Rooney has also played a few times over the last two seasons. I'll give you Rafael
Ability to play effectively doesn't mean much. Or we won't have almost 150 pages in the Thiago thread.
That season when Valencia won the player of the season?
Nani's best period was the 6 months during the 2010-2011 season when Rooney threw a tantrum and Nani-Berbatov combined kept us in the league. For the rest of his stay he has been highly inconsistent. Able to put in world class performances in one or two games and then dog shit for the next five.
It's the same with Nani as it is with Anderson. They have been here 6 seasons and have still not been able to command a starting position for themselves.
IMO, the wings are should be as much a priority as the midfield.
The bolded part is ridiculous and I don't think you actually believe that.
I actually do believe that mate.
Ofcourse I am making the assumption that Nani will be sold. That leaves us with Valencia, Young and Zaha as our primary wide players.
It would take Zaha a while to get accustomed to the team and the league is a step up, United a bigger step. Young is very effective when fit but I see him as more of a squad player than a regular starter for us. Valencia will be our best option and he is coming off after a horrendous season.
Like I mentioned before, we are a club whose philosophy is built around wide players and wing play, those options are not good enough. A club like ourselves should have world class talent in the position. Bale or Ronaldo may be distant dreams but there are others who we can buy to augment the position.
Well moving away from traditional wingers would be a good start so I don't think we should really be looking at classic wingers, nearly all top teams don't play with them anymore.
You're grouping Nani in the same category as Anderson when in fact Nani has actually lived up to his potential here (which is the reason he gets defended quite a bit), even becoming our player of the season, can the same be said about Anderson? Nani may well be sold this summer but the wings still aren't even close to being the priority that the midfield is.
Do you see Welbeck getting many games ahead of RvP and Chicharito (and possibly Rooney) as a centre forward? There is a good chance he will be used in wide areas again this season since we have three more prolific strikers than him already. Kagawa also may be continued to be used on the left with Moyes allowing him to drift in centrally. We're not nearly as depleted in the wide positions as you're making out. It's also unfathomable to think that Valencia and Young will have such poor seasons again, that would really be some achievement. They were both infinitely better in the 11/12 season and their form this season (as well as Nani's) can be put down to injuries for the most part. Adding Zaha to the mix for a healthy bit of competition and Giggsy who still does a really good job on the wing as and when needs arise.
It's been the 'in thing' to bemoan our midfield for a while now and I'm not going down that route, but seriously if we sell Anderson this summer we only really have Carrick and Cleverley as actual out and out midfielders (not converted forwards or defenders) since we cant bank on Fletcher, as lovely as it would be for him to make a full comeback. Scholes has retired, we shouldn't still be relying on Ryan Giggs in CM (whereas he's still a decent option out on the wing). Powell is still a way off being used consistently in CM and might be sent out on loan I'd imagine.
I'd rather keep Nani personally, but even if we do sell him a winger needn't be a priority, I think were well stocked in players vying for those two positions and SAF himself said that last season there were times when he struggled to keep everyone happy. On the other hand we're depleted in the middle regardless of whether or not Anderson stays because nobody would be willing to put money on him playing a full season.
I agree and given how Moyes set up at Everton I think that is what will happen.
True, and Zaha is easily capable of adapting to a system which employs false winger/offensive midfielder on the flank. I worry about Valencia in a set up with no traditional wingers but he's played as an offensive midfielder for his country doing extremely well so he might be up for it. Ashley Young I don't have any time for, I don't think he's United quality and should be a squad player at most.
It's not only United, other clubs are buying the biggest players and talents like there's no tomorrow and the transfer market didn't even start yet! The total transfer sum in Europe this summer will be recordbreaking, mark my words.
Is Moyes back from his holiday in Blackpool yet?
The system doesn't suit Valencia but there will be games in the league where we may want to stretch the pitch and that is where Valencia will come in if he can find some form. The big shame is the system suits Nani the most out of all our wingers and he most likely wont be here.
More than a little harsh, think i got off easy on that whopper of an oversight!!!
Consider the one player of note comment well and truly retracted.
Gazzetta dello Sport saying we are making a move for both Fredy Guarin and Andrea Ranocchia.
Ranocchia would be odd. Jones, Smalling and Evans all look just as good and more promising than him.
odd is putting it kindly. Ranocchia is rubbish
Does anyone else think we could do with a top class winger?
After watching some of our season reviews back and seeing the likes of Beckham, Giggs, Ronaldo and older Giggs tear teams apart down the wings, it made me sad to think of our current crop. Valencia, out-of-sorts Nani and Ashley Young. I don't think we will be challenging seriously for the CL again until our wings are sorted.
After watching some of our season reviews back and seeing the likes of Beckham, Giggs, Ronaldo and older Giggs tear teams apart down the wings, it made me sad to think of our current crop. Valencia, out-of-sorts Nani and Ashley Young. I don't think we will be challenging seriously for the CL again until our wings are sorted.
Now imagine an in-form Nani and Valencia (and try and ignore Ashley Young). Everyone's worries over our wings are a bit knee-jerk. The season before, people were suggesting that we might have the best set of wingers in the world, with both Valencia and Nani tearing apart all comers. And we've just added the most exciting young English winger around. I'd say we're fine in that department.
Assuming Nani doesn't go, which is a big assumption.
Well if Nani goes, then obviously we'll need to replace him with a similarly top class (and hopefully somewhat more consistent) replacement. But I prefer to be in perpetual denial about the possibility of any of our top players leaving.
If you give me a top-form Valencia and Nani, then I have absolutely no problems whatsoever. Problem is, I have been waiting about 3 years for a consistent Nani and although it's not a popular opinion, I've just never rated Valencia as highly as others do. He has that one spell at the end of the 11/12 season I think it was where he was stunning, but before and after that I've never quite seen the hype.
I will be ecstatic if Thiago is going to be our only signing this summer.
we need to get Julian Draxler, awesome talent and can only thrive at Old Trafford
Same. We could be in for a tremendous season if we sign just Thiago. Zaha will join us this season, and Fabio is returning back to the club. Some of the reserves will be a year older and hence more mature. Kagawa will perform at a higher level.
We need to start thinking about replacing Giggs, Ferdinand, Evra, and Young. Moyes should gradually phase them out and bed in the replacements in an unhurried manner. Wholesale changes are bad.
Baines, Fellani, Garay & Varela - that would our summer, innit?
That sounds more like an Everton summer.
With Real Madrid signing players, should we be looking at Di Maria or anyone else over there?
Ronaldo would be nice. Beyond that, Coentrao and Di Maria would've been the obvious ones to go for.