United aiming to sell Harry Maguire next summer according to Jamie Jackson

padzilla said:
There's no doubt Giroud is unreal at heading the ball but it's also supposed to be Maguire's main skill. He was largely untested in the world cup but the first big game he played in he was found wanting, neither Stones or Maguire are great defenders and it showed.
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Should never have let the attacker cross to begin with. That was mistake 1. Midfield should have regrouped after the first attack and blocked their path to goal, Rice was badly positioned - and when he is that far off his position and that close to the attacker, he needs to get into Giroud's back and interrupt him a little. Stones should have covered Giroud - he made the same mistake when Giroud had his shot from 6y out. If anything Maguire was the only player who did his job on that one.

I thought Maguire was distinctly average at building up play, maybe even on the poorer side, but his defending was quite decent this tournament. There were a number of players in the team who made more defensive errors than he did. I'd still get rid of him, because he just isn't a modern defender and his build up play just isn't up to par.
 
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TheReligion said:
Wasn’t he MOTM against the US?

I think you’re just being biased and seeing what you want to see tbh
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That was hardly a ringing endorsement. Man of the match against the US says it all. He's never man of the match in big games when it matters is he?
 
I just fail to see why he's lauded for playing okay against inferior opposition but yet again coming up short against opponents of a similar level.

To be fair this is something most of the England squads of the past 50-odd years are guilty of.
 
Harry was our best player at the WC but yes if you twisted my arm I would let him go for £60m or so but you are getting a real steal. In fact this is such a good price I will have to go and check with my manager. We wouldn't normally do a deal this good but I like you.
 
I think a lot of rival fans think he’s absolute shit at United and ask why he’s so good for England. Similar with Pogba at United/France. But he’s not been shit for United. Like Pogba, there’s been longer spells or really good form.

But we demand more consistency and the bare minimum of mistakes. Maguire makes one too many mistakes and has too many down spells, that gets shown up over a number of seasons rather than a few weeks at a WC.
 
He could be Player of the tournament for all I care. When he comes back here, he's the same liability he's always been.
 
Surprised the goal is only being mentioned and not his usual bad and good points he displayed; I read that something like half of his attempted diagonal passes went out of play in the first half (seen that many times for United), also did well to bring the ball out of defence on a couple of occasions.

He does play a bit better for England but it really is the same player with the same faults. I'm not really seeing that he's 'proved himself' or anything.
 
Looking at this thread - we might actually be able to con a club into buying him
 
We All know he's not good enough for clubs with big aspirations. It's obvious. He is a good option to have on the bench, IF we can't move him on for a good price and replace with a better back up.

Nothing against him personally. Seems a good enough guy. Just skill wise, pace, mentality is not a good fit for a club that wants to be winning/challenging consistently for the league and champions leagues.
 
What the World Cup has demonstrated again is that when Maguire plays in a team that suits him, he's still a very good defender.

I'd happily sell him but some of the people looking to be critical go way over the top and they should be pleased he had a largely decent tournament and will likely be of interest to teams like Newcastle/Spurs who would likely spend £30/40m for someone to come in and instantly improve their back four
 
Best time to sell him now that his stock is relatively high.
 
Judas said:
We should be able to get 40m minimum. People honestly believing otherwise are blinded by their dislike for him.
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Problem will be his salary, I imagine. Will the clubs that are likely to be most interested be able to match what he’s already on? Id anticipate he’s on around the 200k or so bracket. Something in that region seems about right — you don’t pay near world record fee for a CB and then stick him on 100k salary
 
He seems to be a player version of David Moyes - very good but not elite, so West Ham/Everton/Leicester level.
 
The biggest problem with selling Maguire for the fees being talked about is that he will be 30 next summer.

People really underestimate how rare it is for players 30+ to be sold for big money, especially in the Premier League. Koulibaly was the first ever player aged 30+ to be bought by a PL club for more than £30m, he had a much more impressive resume than Maguire, and its beyond clear at this point that it was a terrible signing.

Even if they needed a central defender, why would clubs like Everton, West Ham, or Newcastle want to spend £30m on a 30-year-old Maguire on huge wages when the alternatives are things like buying promising young CBs like Aguerd or Botman for similar money (West Ham, Newcastle), or getting Dan Burn for £10m (Newcastle), or signing Tarkowski on a free and loaning Coady for cheap (Everton)?
 
Powderfinger said:
The biggest problem with selling Maguire for the fees being talked about is that he will be 30 next summer.

People really underestimate how rare it is for players 30+ to be sold for big money, especially in the Premier League. Koulibaly was the first ever player aged 30+ to be bought by a PL club for more than £30m, he had a much more impressive resume than Maguire, and its beyond clear at this point that it was a terrible signing.

Even if they needed a central defender, why would clubs like Everton, West Ham, or Newcastle want to spend £30m on a 30-year-old Maguire on huge wages when the alternatives are things like buying promising young CBs like Aguerd or Botman for similar money (West Ham, Newcastle), or getting Dan Burn for £10m (Newcastle), or signing Tarkowski on a free and loaning Coady for cheap (Everton)?
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I agree with some of the logic behind this however that Botman reference is wide of the mark. Unless it's a contractual advantage (not possible as he's just joined) Botman is not selling for less than 50 million.
 
Powderfinger said:
The biggest problem with selling Maguire for the fees being talked about is that he will be 30 next summer.

People really underestimate how rare it is for players 30+ to be sold for big money, especially in the Premier League. Koulibaly was the first ever player aged 30+ to be bought by a PL club for more than £30m, he had a much more impressive resume than Maguire, and its beyond clear at this point that it was a terrible signing.

Even if they needed a central defender, why would clubs like Everton, West Ham, or Newcastle want to spend £30m on a 30-year-old Maguire on huge wages when the alternatives are things like buying promising young CBs like Aguerd or Botman for similar money (West Ham, Newcastle), or getting Dan Burn for £10m (Newcastle), or signing Tarkowski on a free and loaning Coady for cheap (Everton)?
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Great post
 
He's not good enough for the elite level we aspire to reach again. To those who watched more of Holland this tournament, what are their thoughts on Timber?
 
Vapor trail said:
I agree with some of the logic behind this however that Botman reference is wide of the mark. Unless it's a contractual advantage (not possible as he's just joined) Botman is not selling for less than 50 million.
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My point was that Newcastle just bought him for £35m. If they can get a 22-year-old player of that quality for that price and probably modest wages, why would they spend the same money on a 30-year-old Harry Maguire on big wages?

Clubs just have better options than buying a 30-year-old Harry Maguire for a lot of money.
 
Lentwood said:
What the World Cup has demonstrated again is that when Maguire plays in a team that suits him, he's still a very good defender.

I'd happily sell him but some of the people looking to be critical go way over the top and they should be pleased he had a largely decent tournament and will likely be of interest to teams like Newcastle/Spurs who would likely spend £30/40m for someone to come in and instantly improve their back four
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Don't see that at all.
 
I think Harry is a lot better than most give him credit for around here (let's be honest, he's a scapegoat for most) but it would probably be best for Harry and the club if he leaves. He's 3rd choice now (or 4th?) and he should be starting in a club somewhere (do you hear me Newcastle?)...
 
Powderfinger said:
My point was that Newcastle just bought him for £35m. If they can get a 22-year-old player of that quality for that price and probably modest wages, why would they spend the same money on a 30-year-old Harry Maguire on big wages?

Clubs just have better options than buying a 30-year-old Harry Maguire for a lot of money.
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Because they have money to burn. Newcastle is trying to establish themself as a big player. It's not going to happen in the first couple years, so they might as well break the bank and deal with whatever threat UEFA throws their way should they break FFP...
 
1. I could not be more happy that more and more rumors about him are being written every week, but there is s small chance that he will, crossing my fingers.

2. IF he leaves, I can not in my wildest imagination imagen us getting more then 25-30m for him, yet i see people talking about 60-70m. We paid around 80m for him over 2 years ago when he was performing like Vidic for a couple of months and we were desperate for a CB.

3. To be completely honest, i wouldn't care if we only got 20m for him, as long as we replace him with a young CB with great potential. If i had to chose one i would go all in for Josko Gvardiol. The boy is only 20 years old but is playing on a regular basis both for Croatia and RP Leipzig and can play both RCB, LCB and LB, but suits best as the left centerback because he is left footed. He is fast, strong in the air, reading the game extremely good, excellent passer, can carry the ball and even a good leader of his back four despite his young age, I would rate him top 10, if not 5 best CBs in the world already and will only be better.

But there is some problems with us signing him. For the first, lets say we sell Maguire and keep Varane, Martinez and Lindelöf as the main 3 + Gvardiol to fight for 2 spots. Who to start? Varane has at least 3 if not, hopefully 4-5 more years left on the highest level if he can avoid bigger injuries. Then we have Martinez that just joined us this summer for a high fee (worth every penny though), is still young and could easy play another 7-10 more years for us in the best of the worlds. Even though that the expectations were high when he joined, because ETH choose him over the over hyped (right now at least) Justin Timber and because many clubs were prepared to pay the high fee for CB that had mainly proved himself in a poor league. He has still proven many experts and fans wrong and he has been performing on the highest level almost every match after the 4-0 defeat against Brentford and i can't see us keeping him on the bench.

So the problem would be to chose 2 out of Varane, Martinez and in this case Gvardiol and keep all of them satisfied. All 3 of them are to good to not play every match (90% of them, only rest when really needed). One good thing about Maguire is that he would be good with sitting on the bench (same with Lindelöf) but one serious injury on Varane or Martinez and we would be back with playing Maguire week in and week out.

Gvardiol is expected to sold for around 80-90m euros this summer, even if Leipzig are claiming that they will not sell before summer 2024. But the right club and enough money and he will be sold this summer. And also, it's not even a big chance that he would choose us over the clubs that are in for him (Chelsea, City, Real Madrid, PSG, Barcelona, Liverpool are all linked with him the least weeks).

Sad to think that we will miss out on a another huge talent. He will probably end up in Real Madrid and they are building a super team once again. Even the new wonderboy Endrick is signing for them + the second biggest Brazilian talent for a total fee of 80m euros and they will join 2024 when they turn 18. Real Madrid have picked up some huge talents the last years in Vini JR, Rodrygo, Valverde, Militao, Camavinga, Tchouaméni and as it seems Endrick and the other talent. And as it would not be enough, latest gossips is that Mbappe are ready to join them and that they will go all in for Bellingham. How FFP works for Real Madrid and Barcelona (and PSG) is a big question. But the team they can have in 1-2 years, filled with youth and enormous talent. Just imagine:

------------------------Courtois
---Militao - Rudiger - Militao - F.Mendy
---------Tchouaméni - Camavinga
--------------------Bellingham
-------Valverde - Mbappe - Vini Junior

Insane. And have one the biggest talent in the world joining in 18 months, and probably even more big signings. They will probably get Gvardiol and wouldn't be surprised if the grab Dalot from us. A back four of Dalot - Militao - Gvardiol - Mendy, 2 of the biggest defensive MF talents + Bellingham as box to box in front of them and then a trio that is already world class and will only get better. On paper it looks like one of the best teams ever (Milan early 90s, United 2008, Barcelona 2007-2014, Real Madrid with their CL run etc etc could compete).

-----------------------Courtois
---Dalot - Gvardiol - Militao - F.Mendy
---------Tchouaméni - Camavinga
--------------------Bellingham
-------Valverde - Mbappe - Vini Junior

Wow, the longest non point post ever but i just had to put it down "paper" when i started to think about what can happen, or most likely, at least 9-10 out of the 11 will play together soon.

Sorry for this post guys, hope nobody gets upset about the post. Cheers!
 
padzilla said:
England are out of the World Cup due to Maguire's inability to deal with a cross that he is supposed to specialise in.
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Come off it - Harry did all possible in that situation to contain French attackers and deny space and visibility. What more can people slag him off for - for not having eyes in the back of his head? Giroud is dangerous and one of the reasons is he`s so wily as we saw in the quarter final.

Stones just wasn`t switched on to Giroud`s threat and he should have been given Harry was already committed. Harry`s done himself proud this World Cup and I really hope it will give him the confidence to get back on track at United.

Sure he is limited in what he can do technically but he has put in some good to very good games for United and the WC can be the impetus to get back to this best. However, take the captaincy away from him - he is not a United style of captain and the captaincy has just pressured him.
 
Samid said:
Why didn't we sell to Chelsea in the summer?
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Because Glazers and club hierarchy are morons and EtH didn't yet have the clout to target club captain. Next summer we will hopefully have new, much more sane owners, club hierarchy and EtH won't be a just-arrived manager, anymore.
 
RedBanker said:
Harry could do an interview with Piers.
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I think/hope he has more brains than that. I don't want him at United, but I don't think Maguire is the kindof self-obsessed arrogant ass that CR7 is.
 
mctrials23 said:
Harry was our best player at the WC but yes if you twisted my arm I would let him go for £60m or so but you are getting a real steal. In fact this is such a good price I will have to go and check with my manager. We wouldn't normally do a deal this good but I like you.
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Other than Saka who terrorized the French? Shaw who didn’t put a foot wrong? Rice? Kane had the spotlight feckup but he wa La good outside of the missed pen. The only players Maguire was better than were Stones and Pickford.
 
SWE-Chucky said:
1. I could not be more happy that more and more rumors about him are being written every week, but there is s small chance that he will, crossing my fingers.

2. IF he leaves, I can not in my wildest imagination imagen us getting more then 25-30m for him, yet i see people talking about 60-70m. We paid around 80m for him over 2 years ago when he was performing like Vidic for a couple of months and we were desperate for a CB.

3. To be completely honest, i wouldn't care if we only got 20m for him, as long as we replace him with a young CB with great potential. If i had to chose one i would go all in for Josko Gvardiol. The boy is only 20 years old but is playing on a regular basis both for Croatia and RP Leipzig and can play both RCB, LCB and LB, but suits best as the left centerback because he is left footed. He is fast, strong in the air, reading the game extremely good, excellent passer, can carry the ball and even a good leader of his back four despite his young age, I would rate him top 10, if not 5 best CBs in the world already and will only be better.

But there is some problems with us signing him. For the first, lets say we sell Maguire and keep Varane, Martinez and Lindelöf as the main 3 + Gvardiol to fight for 2 spots. Who to start? Varane has at least 3 if not, hopefully 4-5 more years left on the highest level if he can avoid bigger injuries. Then we have Martinez that just joined us this summer for a high fee (worth every penny though), is still young and could easy play another 7-10 more years for us in the best of the worlds. Even though that the expectations were high when he joined, because ETH choose him over the over hyped (right now at least) Justin Timber and because many clubs were prepared to pay the high fee for CB that had mainly proved himself in a poor league. He has still proven many experts and fans wrong and he has been performing on the highest level almost every match after the 4-0 defeat against Brentford and i can't see us keeping him on the bench.

So the problem would be to chose 2 out of Varane, Martinez and in this case Gvardiol and keep all of them satisfied. All 3 of them are to good to not play every match (90% of them, only rest when really needed). One good thing about Maguire is that he would be good with sitting on the bench (same with Lindelöf) but one serious injury on Varane or Martinez and we would be back with playing Maguire week in and week out.

Gvardiol is expected to sold for around 80-90m euros this summer, even if Leipzig are claiming that they will not sell before summer 2024. But the right club and enough money and he will be sold this summer. And also, it's not even a big chance that he would choose us over the clubs that are in for him (Chelsea, City, Real Madrid, PSG, Barcelona, Liverpool are all linked with him the least weeks).

Sad to think that we will miss out on a another huge talent. He will probably end up in Real Madrid and they are building a super team once again. Even the new wonderboy Endrick is signing for them + the second biggest Brazilian talent for a total fee of 80m euros and they will join 2024 when they turn 18. Real Madrid have picked up some huge talents the last years in Vini JR, Rodrygo, Valverde, Militao, Camavinga, Tchouaméni and as it seems Endrick and the other talent. And as it would not be enough, latest gossips is that Mbappe are ready to join them and that they will go all in for Bellingham. How FFP works for Real Madrid and Barcelona (and PSG) is a big question. But the team they can have in 1-2 years, filled with youth and enormous talent. Just imagine:

------------------------Courtois
---Militao - Rudiger - Militao - F.Mendy
---------Tchouaméni - Camavinga
--------------------Bellingham
-------Valverde - Mbappe - Vini Junior

Insane. And have one the biggest talent in the world joining in 18 months, and probably even more big signings. They will probably get Gvardiol and wouldn't be surprised if the grab Dalot from us. A back four of Dalot - Militao - Gvardiol - Mendy, 2 of the biggest defensive MF talents + Bellingham as box to box in front of them and then a trio that is already world class and will only get better. On paper it looks like one of the best teams ever (Milan early 90s, United 2008, Barcelona 2007-2014, Real Madrid with their CL run etc etc could compete).

-----------------------Courtois
---Dalot - Gvardiol - Militao - F.Mendy
---------Tchouaméni - Camavinga
--------------------Bellingham
-------Valverde - Mbappe - Vini Junior

Wow, the longest non point post ever but i just had to put it down "paper" when i started to think about what can happen, or most likely, at least 9-10 out of the 11 will play together soon.

Sorry for this post guys, hope nobody gets upset about the post. Cheers!
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Preach!
 
darioterios said:
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There's no way ETH rates him more than what he is, I'm sure ETH would gladly get him off our books if a decent offer comes in.

These quote doesn't change anything from what we didn't already know he's third or fourth choice he either improves or face being axed.
 
Powderfinger said:
The biggest problem with selling Maguire for the fees being talked about is that he will be 30 next summer.

People really underestimate how rare it is for players 30+ to be sold for big money, especially in the Premier League. Koulibaly was the first ever player aged 30+ to be bought by a PL club for more than £30m, he had a much more impressive resume than Maguire, and its beyond clear at this point that it was a terrible signing.

Even if they needed a central defender, why would clubs like Everton, West Ham, or Newcastle want to spend £30m on a 30-year-old Maguire on huge wages when the alternatives are things like buying promising young CBs like Aguerd or Botman for similar money (West Ham, Newcastle), or getting Dan Burn for £10m (Newcastle), or signing Tarkowski on a free and loaning Coady for cheap (Everton)?
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Koulibaly is a good benchmark. Went to Chelsea at 30 for £33million
 
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