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United’s next manager
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Kane is on 250k a week or something like that...
Jose spent about 400m at United in his 2 and a half years here. Pretty sure if Poch had £400m and played in the Europa League he’d have a good chance of winning a trophy.
Poch’s job at Spurs is much more impressive than Jose taking United to a Europa and Carabao Cup win. The season we finished second the title race was over in December we was about 20 points off the top, second or fourth meant absolutely nothing.
When Jose left United many was saying he’s done, I half expected him to do 12 months in China his reputation was rock bottom. Even 6 months ago imagine wanting Mourinho over Poch.....feels like I’m in a parallel dimension where Jose stint at United and Chelsea didn’t exist. Weird.
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Why is everything about money? Did Poch have a good enough squad to win something, the answer is quite clearly yes. He got to 3 semi finals and a final and everytime cane up short. I loved the guy but he clearly has something left to learn if he is to win and win regularly.
I have my reservations about Jose of course but even in Uniteds worse PL spell ever he won more than us in outback best spell ever. Even at his worst spell as Chelsea boss he won the league.
Agree with you about the money issue.
People get fixated on how much money a manager spends or does not spend.
As if that is solely down to the manager which is certainly not the case.
Clubs decide to spend in the transfer market for many reasons, some of which are commercial.
The only thing that is important is the results.
Good luck to Jose and good luck to Tottenham.
I am only interested in Manchester United being successful and we have a long way to go to get back to winning the top honours.
You‘re squad was good enough because he brought the best out of the players.You had no right challenging for the title, getting to any cup final let alone the CL. Money is absolutely one of the top factors in football and when you’re up against City, United, Chelsea etc you’re obviously at a disadvantage.
Jose might win you a league cup or FA cup but will probably put you back 2 years in doing so after he fecks off with the squad in disarray like he’s done throughout his entire career.
Spurs are over achieving and a fecking FA Cup won’t change anything in the grand scheme of things.
Poch will be next manager.
Exactly and it's hilarious to read. From the worst human to every exist to best ever (ok there is slight exaggeration)
I think it’s already written and probably just ironing out contracts.
I get the impression that most people are put off Pochettino because he hasn't got over the line yet as a manager. I still feel that the positives outweigh the negatives with him though.
You could make the same argument for someone like Nagelsmann too about the fact he is yet to win something.
The guy that most fits the bill of a winner and also plays attacking football would be Ancelotti,however doesn't seem any interest in him at all.
You could make the same argument for someone like Nagelsmann too about the fact he is yet to win something.
The guy that most fits the bill of a winner and also plays attacking football would be Ancelotti,however doesn't seem any interest in him at all.
Why are we so hell bent on Pochettino who hasn't won any trophies. He isn't a winner. Even when we were playing shit with Jose and LVG we still won cups because they are winners. I feel Pochettino can only get us as far as consistently getting top 4. But if we're truly looking at going back to the old days of constantly winning the league and cups then we need a coach that is a winner. That's a very important criteria if we're looking to return back to our old ways.
This time though we have to appoint with sense. LVG and Mourinho were proven winners but they couldn't get us close to the title. And to me that's because there are certain criterias we should also be looking for in a manager not just a manager's achievements. We have to be looking at whether the manager can carry out a rebuild, whether the manager can work with youth, whether the manager plays attractive attacking football. Combine this criterias with being a winner. To me a Manger that ticks all these boxes is the only manager I would say is deserving of time even when our results are poor.
We could appoint Graham Potter because he has Brighton playing good football but he will never win us the title because he doesn't know what it's like to be at the top especially in a big club/league. We can appoint Allegri because of his achievements but we still wouldn't win the title unless we sell 90% of our players who are youth. LVG worked with youth and was planning a rebuild but fans wanted him out because our football was dreadful to watch.
A winner, can work with youth, can carry out a rebuild and play attacking football. That should be the criteria for our next appointment. So far the only people I can think of that match this criteria is our own Ferguson before he came to us and Klopp. My knowledge about coaches isn't vast though so I'd like to hear suggestions of other coaches that match this criteria
This time though we have to appoint with sense. LVG and Mourinho were proven winners but they couldn't get us close to the title. And to me that's because there are certain criterias we should also be looking for in a manager not just a manager's achievements. We have to be looking at whether the manager can carry out a rebuild, whether the manager can work with youth, whether the manager plays attractive attacking football. Combine this criterias with being a winner. To me a Manger that ticks all these boxes is the only manager I would say is deserving of time even when our results are poor.
We could appoint Graham Potter because he has Brighton playing good football but he will never win us the title because he doesn't know what it's like to be at the top especially in a big club/league. We can appoint Allegri because of his achievements but we still wouldn't win the title unless we sell 90% of our players who are youth. LVG worked with youth and was planning a rebuild but fans wanted him out because our football was dreadful to watch.
A winner, can work with youth, can carry out a rebuild and play attacking football. That should be the criteria for our next appointment. So far the only people I can think of that match this criteria is our own Ferguson before he came to us and Klopp. My knowledge about coaches isn't vast though so I'd like to hear suggestions of other coaches that match this criteria
Get Rangnick as a DOF and Rose as a coach.
This is United's fans malarkey
A coach who managed to get Europa and 2nd is labelled as done and expected to coach in China.
Poch, Rose, Nagelsmann anyone of them would be very good addition, before that appointing DoF to drive the recruitment and hiring head coaches.
Should only be Poch to be honest. But, as we've been crying for years now, we need a director of football and the intention to spend.
Liverpool and City are doing well because they have managers that have implemented a system, and have been backed.
No manager can "save" us, the club has to decide it wants to compete, and we will be there of thereabouts in a couple of years.
Liverpool and City are doing well because they have managers that have implemented a system, and have been backed.
No manager can "save" us, the club has to decide it wants to compete, and we will be there of thereabouts in a couple of years.
DOF first then look at appointing Rose, Nagelsmann or Rodgers and back them by bringing five new players. It's pointless bringing a manager and adopting his long term vision when results down the line could force the club to sack so let the long term vision be held by the DOF and let him hire managers/coaches who will implement that.
Anything else is just going round in circles because recruitment is our Achilles Heel so it's pointless to repeat the same mistakes we have made over six years. I think at the moment our best course of action is to sack Ole and bring in Rangnick as DOF/Interim Manager who will scout and tap up our next manager.
Anything else is just going round in circles because recruitment is our Achilles Heel so it's pointless to repeat the same mistakes we have made over six years. I think at the moment our best course of action is to sack Ole and bring in Rangnick as DOF/Interim Manager who will scout and tap up our next manager.
I'd welcome this very much
Yep, this would be a very sensible course of action — pair an astute Director of Football with a Head Coach he gets along with wrt. ideology and interpretation of football (on the basis of their Red Bull careers) so there are minimal fireworks or power-struggles. Overmars and Ten Hag could be an alternative to Rangnick and Rose/Nagelsmann, for similar reasons — individually competent, and also get along with each other (in fact Overmars has appointed Ten Hag as Head Coach twice: at Go Ahead Eagles, and Ajax).
Think Poch will be in charge sooner rather than later. I thought for months Ole would lose his job before christmas, lately I thought we might be able to win the odd game for him to save himself and we'd drag along till May, but I think this month will be a blood bath and they'll have no choice.
Just please get Allegri, stop fecking around with losers like Ole and Poch.
I know that most are set for Poch, but how everyone feels about Brendan Rodgers ?
Yes, he's not the most likeable figure and he managed Liverpool, but the way Leicester have been playing lately and the way he bounced back from his Liverpool sacking has been really impressive.
He also had Swansea playing very effective and entertaining football before his early success with Pool.
All in all he's a very good manager and has the ability to improve players - something we're clearly lacking for years now.
Yes, he's not the most likeable figure and he managed Liverpool, but the way Leicester have been playing lately and the way he bounced back from his Liverpool sacking has been really impressive.
He also had Swansea playing very effective and entertaining football before his early success with Pool.
All in all he's a very good manager and has the ability to improve players - something we're clearly lacking for years now.
This, it isn´t the manager it´s the working environment. We could get stardust to sprinkle on Pep and get him here he wouldn´t win anything under this management.
Even though I some reservations about him I still think Pochettino is the best pick of the available managers out there. I wouldn't want Allegri at the club and though the likes of Rose/Nagelsmann are popular choices and promising young managers, a job of this magnitude might be too much for them at this stage of their careers.
People arguing that Poch haven't won anything is crazy. Poch has been punching above the weight for several years with minimal spending which no manager able to do it in Premier League history.
Any of Poch, Rose and Nagelsmann is a massive upgrade to clueless Ole.
Any of Poch, Rose and Nagelsmann is a massive upgrade to clueless Ole.
Disagree on Nagelsmann at least. He looks to have the full package. Still very young but his work at Hoffenheim was very impressive, especially that early in his career.
He has build himself as one of the best young managers and this year so far the expectations he has set himself was very high, considering how competitive the BL is. Of course the demise of Bayern takes some part, but his team plays very entertaining football, bounced back from a bad run in October and is doing well on three fronts.
He also has a clear plan on the pitch and also plan B when things doesn't work out. All in all he's a quality young manager with bright future, however I'm not sure he's available at the time.
He would do better than Ole though
Yes 100%.
It will be Poch. Just a matter of when. While appointing managers, our decision makers take extremely obvious decisions (except Ole) and the overall thought process isn't too detailed or structured (including Ole). This is a case similar to when Jose was available.
Whoever comes in now, which I think is inevitable, then they need to bring some world class/top level coaches with them.
Phelan needs shipping out - don't see what he brings, I really don't. Complete failure in management tells us all we need to know. Carrick and McKenna - no top flight experience at all. In fact, since they became first team coaches under Jose I'm pretty sure that's when our downturn in both football quality and results can be traced back to. We have a coaching team that don't know how to coach a winning team. What Phelan achieved under SAF is so long ago, and given SAF's presence, is it relevant?
The quick fix to all of this, IMHO, is for Woody to tell Ole to find a top level coaching team and get rid of the above. Give Ole the real coaching tools he needs and see if that works. Cant be any worse.
Phelan needs shipping out - don't see what he brings, I really don't. Complete failure in management tells us all we need to know. Carrick and McKenna - no top flight experience at all. In fact, since they became first team coaches under Jose I'm pretty sure that's when our downturn in both football quality and results can be traced back to. We have a coaching team that don't know how to coach a winning team. What Phelan achieved under SAF is so long ago, and given SAF's presence, is it relevant?
The quick fix to all of this, IMHO, is for Woody to tell Ole to find a top level coaching team and get rid of the above. Give Ole the real coaching tools he needs and see if that works. Cant be any worse.
I am an admirer of Nagelsmann and I agree with pretty much everything in youir post. That said, he is still very young and has only been a manager for 4 years now. What he has done in that time is impressive but that does not mean he is ready for a huge job like ours, the pressure, the expectations, and all the other things that come with managing such a club might be a lot for someone with his level of experience. I rate him but I still think Poch's knowledge of the league and his greater manegerial experience gives him an edge for me. Furthermore, Poch already has experience being at a reasonably big club so moving on to a very big club feels like a more natural progression than making the big step up from Hoffenheim/Leipzig to United.
Yeah, agree on that account of course. Either way I can't see him leaving the current project just yet. It's a good place to be at the current stage of his career. Maybe Rose will be more attainable in the Summer.
Rodgers and Poch seems to be the best options we have now and after that Allegri.
One issue with Pochettino, is that his appointment would delay a much needed rethink of the administrative department. Practically none of the elite Champions League teams operate without a Director of Football or Sporting Director or Technical Director of some sort these days, yet United have been reluctant to employ one for who knows what reason — and once he consolidated enough power at Tottenham, Pochettino vetoed the appointment of a buffer between him and the higher ups (you can bet your bottom dollar that the same will happen at United)...
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/footbal...tell-mauricio-pochettino-would-not-get-level/
While he is a good coach, Pochettino wants to be an old school manager and exercise overwhelming influence, even though he doesn't have the most proven record in the transfer market — and that could be an explosive combination with our post-Fergie dealings in an effort to rebuild the squad. We'll essentially be putting all our eggs in the basket of one man while hoping and praying that he works his magic, for the umpteenth time — instead of engineering interwoven but distinct segments to delineate the myriad responsibilities, like we should.
For what its worth, Pochettino could hit the ground running and prove to be a massive success over time — so all of this might be needless fretting, but I'd be much more at ease with the combination of a high-caliber DoF to define our football model (like Rangnick or Overmars) + a Head Coach to train that model (like Nagelsmann/Rose or Ten Hag). A bit less proven than Pochettino maybe, and totally unproven in the English league — but that would give us a more sustainable long-term blueprint where once the structures are in place, you can basically replace head-coaches (which is a reality in post-modern football) without creating needless turmoil, which is how most big clubs operate and plan these days. Even though I like Pochettino, you get a sense that we need to cast a wide net to enact fundamental reform and indulge in some outside-the-box thinking, instead of just homing in on the convenient and seemingly obvious choice. All IMO, of course.
I think problem is Woodward is reluctant to hire DoF or someone who can do that role with different title. If we go by his UWS interview, he is absolutely convinced the model we have is working and they have no intention to change it. If that's the case then Poch might be our best bet.
Yeah, you're right — sometimes my brain wanders while thinking of theoretical solutions and I fail to consider that even though we need a thorough and radical reform, expecting it under current ownership or with Woodward as the CEO is not very realistic. From that perspective, Pochettino as h
Yeah, you're right — sometimes my brain wanders while thinking of theoretical solutions and I fail to consider that even though we need a thorough and radical reform, expecting it under current ownership or with Woodward as the CEO is not very realistic. From that perspective, Pochettino as head coachmanager might actually be the best bet.
For most people (including me) when we all dream about Ralf Rangnick taking over as DoF or head of football operations with him appointing coach who is young and plays modern attacking game. That's the dream scenario.
We might have had different views on Ole, but what @roonster09 said and yours model is spot on and my model as well. A seasoned DoF and a young up and coming continental manager with fresh approach is what we need.
Apart from that, when you say that Poch doesn't have a proven record on the market, that's not really big downside as our approach on the market was all over the place since Fergie left and really can't be worse.
Probably can't see Poch being the one to bring us titles in the long run(have some reservations), but if he manages to do what he did at Spurs - solid top 4 and a CL final, or other final here and there for the next 3-4 years I'd take that tbh.
I don't want Poch, but I'd pay good money to get him in today just to make the next match a tasty affair.
Rogers over Poch. Rogers creates a style of play and get's his teams playing exciting taking football in very little time.