United’s next manager

Cassidy said:
Player for player your midfield has never been on par with anything like Citys at any point, in fact your midfield has always been an issue, even when you had Dier and Dembele, Dier being the weak link.
Then your forward line Kane and Son were always accompanied by a weak link

Your 11 was never the best despite the crap the media was peddling. You had a good defence (CB pairing) and Kane mainly and Son then also developed into an elite talent.

I do agree he should have won something, but getting to a UCL final is way more than anything that side should have achieved. I believe most fans would swap that for winning an FA cup sure, but in reality that was a far greater achievement.

I think its belittling to suggest he had the best 11 in the league for 2 seasons, I think it belittles the work he did to make players like Rose, Dier, Lamela, Sissoko, Davies etc perform way beyond their level.
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Hold on I never said he had the best, simply it could be argued. I think your ignoring Dier’s first 2 seasons, Rose when he was bombing on with Walker. Lamela and Sissoko hardly played in the teams I mention. Wanyamma was fit and well. Davies is and always will be a solid LB. you need to go back to the team 2/3 seasons ago.

I think we dissagree on the term to be little someone. I have said in all posts that I loved him as our manager.
 
Cassidy said:
Player for player your midfield has never been on par with anything like Citys at any point, in fact your midfield has always been an issue, even when you had Dier and Dembele, Dier being the weak link.
Then your forward line Kane and Son were always accompanied by a weak link

Your 11 was never the best despite the crap the media was peddling. You had a good defence (CB pairing) and Kane mainly and Son then also developed into an elite talent.

I do agree he should have won something, but getting to a UCL final is way more than anything that side should have achieved. I believe most fans would swap that for winning an FA cup sure, but in reality that was a far greater achievement.

I think its belittling to suggest he had the best 11 in the league for 2 seasons, I think it belittles the work he did to make players like Rose, Dier, Lamela, Sissoko, Davies etc perform way beyond their level.
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I don't think Liverpool's mid was or still is, as good as city's but yet they've reached 2 CL finals in a row and our favourites for the league this year. What they have is an excellent backline and great forward line, which to be honest isn't too different to what Poch had. You don't need the best 11 to win top trophies, Liverpool have and are currently proving that.
 
roonster09 said:
Hopefully he will be.
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I have serious doubts. Not the he never won thing although that's true however you spin but working under current United stricture and with Ed. We live in a fantasy where Ed will give him whatever he wants. Guy who says it's extremely difficult to get 3 players in one window. Not to mention vetoing certain deals cause Ed decided so.
Also Poch is so so regarding transfers himself.
 
Ban said:
I have serious doubts. Not the he never won thing although that's true however you spin but working under current United stricture and with Ed. We live in a fantasy where Ed will give him whatever he wants. Guy who says it's extremely difficult to get 3 players in one window. Not to mention vetoing certain deals cause Ed decided so.
Also Poch is so so regarding transfers himself.
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We have good young players who needs manager who is known for improving players. Players like Rashford, Martial, James, AWB, McTominay, Tuanzebe, Greenwood and few more players are young ones (Martial is 23/24 but still young enough) who should be working with manager who can improve them. Poch has good track record of that.
 
Ban said:
I have serious doubts. Not the he never won thing although that's true however you spin but working under current United stricture and with Ed. We live in a fantasy where Ed will give him whatever he wants. Guy who says it's extremely difficult to get 3 players in one window. Not to mention vetoing certain deals cause Ed decided so.
Also Poch is so so regarding transfers himself.
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So so is better than what we actually have now.
 
roonster09 said:
We have good young players who needs manager who is known for improving players. Players like Rashford, Martial, James, AWB, McTominay, Tuanzebe, Greenwood and few more players are young ones (Martial is 23/24 but still young enough) who should be working with manager who can improve them. Poch has good track record of that.
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Yes he has. But we still need new players regardless.
 
Ban said:
Great then, if that's the only aim, to be just better than what we have now, let's go for it!
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Better than being shite and do nothing about it, but expect things to get better with time, just because.
 
Ban said:
Yes he has. But we still need new players regardless.
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We do, but those we have can do a lot more, which means if they improve we will have less holes to fill, making the transition easier.
 
Ban said:
Yes he has. But we still need new players regardless.
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We need new players, need someone to improve the young ones we have in the squad.

Not many managers are good in transfer market, that's why clubs have DoF, something we won't because Woodward believes he has right system *facepalm*
 
Glazers and Woodward are the problem yet fans would sooner blame the manager. No manager can operate efficiently under this regime, every one of them will get frustrated. If we get Poch he won’t last two years and will win nothing. Better than Ole? Yes. But it won’t solve the real problem. All these fans wanting Ole sacked, it’s like wanting your windescreen wiper fluid replaced while your engine is on fire. I’m not saying we won’t be “better” under a different manager, but we need more than just someone who can do a better job than Ole.
 
roonster09 said:
We need new players, need someone to improve the young ones we have in the squad.

Not many managers are good in transfer market, that's why clubs have DoF, something we won't because Woodward believes he has right system *facepalm*
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Well that's sort of my point.
Take Rodgers for example, good manager but he has a good structure behind him too.
 
Think the class of 92 will blow their 'United way' collective/hive minds if Ole is sacked from his position as first team coach.

Gary Neville especially will ,yet again, have another social media meltdown.
 
poleglass red said:
I don't think Liverpool's mid was or still is, as good as city's but yet they've reached 2 CL finals in a row and our favourites for the league this year. What they have is an excellent backline and great forward line, which to be honest isn't too different to what Poch had. You don't need the best 11 to win top trophies, Liverpool have and are currently proving that.
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Liverpool have an exceptional level of talent everywhere else. And have Fabinho.

Spurs didnt. Again this is some kind of revisionism at the highest degree.

I have already said he should have won something but fact is Spurs never had anywhere near the best 11 the fact people seem to think it was arguable just shows how good a Job Poch did.

When you have 3 of the best attacking players in the league Salah Firminho and Mane. Plus the two best attacking fullbacks and one of the best CBs in Europe sure. Along with Fabinho.

The Spurs 11 was not comparable.

Its actually funny since Klopp won nothing at Pool until he spent big on VVD Fabinho and Allison and its also funny his first trophy was in a final vs Poch
 
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InLevyITrust said:
Hold on I never said he had the best, simply it could be argued. I think your ignoring Dier’s first 2 seasons, Rose when he was bombing on with Walker. Lamela and Sissoko hardly played in the teams I mention. Wanyamma was fit and well. Davies is and always will be a solid LB. you need to go back to the team 2/3 seasons ago.

I think we dissagree on the term to be little someone. I have said in all posts that I loved him as our manager.
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I just disagree it was arguable to be honest. The players you are mentioning there are no where near the level to be considered to be near best in the league and never have been

They were playing well above their level and that was down to the work Poch did.

Im not ignoring Diers first 2 seasons he was always massively overrated. Add Wanayama to that along with Rose
 
Cassidy said:
I just disagree it was arguable to be honest. The players you are mentioning there are no where near the level to be considered to be near best in the league and never have been

They were playing well above their level and that was down to the work Poch did.

Im not ignoring Diers first 2 seasons he was always massively overrated. Add Wanayama to that along with Rose
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I guess we see it differently, I'm only mentioning Rose and Dier there from the first team and the way he played CM dropping into CB was fantastic, there was simply no one else doing it, Rose as well was fantastic at creating space and ran forever. Who was the much better LBs in the league at that time? Again this was back 15/16 - 16/17 seasons.
 
InLevyITrust said:
I guess we see it differently, I'm only mentioning Rose and Dier there from the first team and the way he played CM dropping into CB was fantastic, there was simply no one else doing it, Rose as well was fantastic at creating space and ran forever. Who was the much better LBs in the league at that time? Again this was back 15/16 - 16/17 seasons.
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We certainly do. For the level of club you were Dier was great but he offered zero in terms of ability on the ball and passing range or any form of creativity. Something when you go up a level the DMs of the top sides do. Poch was good enough to work around that and move the job of deep passing to Toby. However that created limitations. There is a reason top clubs didn't go anywhere near Dier (Except Jose who had his eye on him for United)

Rose was in good form again his overall ability though especially his defensive positioning was always suspect which is why you covered with a back 3 many times.

My point overall though is these players excelled under Poch and punched above their weight.
 
Redplane said:
I'm gonna quote all my posts about wanting Allegri here when the sack hammer comes down. Many won't like it probably - but it will happen folks.
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Why would you want Allegri over other possible candidates ?
 
Cassidy said:
We certainly do. For the level of club you were Dier was great but he offered zero in terms of ability on the ball and passing range or any form of creativity. Something when you go up a level the DMs of the top sides do. Poch was good enough to work around that and move the job of deep passing to Toby. However that created limitations. There is a reason top clubs didn't go anywhere near Dier (Except Jose who had his eye on him for United)

Rose was in good form again his overall ability though especially his defensive positioning was always suspect which is why you covered with a back 3 many times.

My point overall though is these players excelled under Poch and punched above their weight.
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Fair enough, I don’t agree but that’s football.
 
FrankDrebin said:
Why would you want Allegri over other possible candidates ?
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Simply put - I believe that anyone claiming that LvG and Mou's tenure didn't show some encouraging signs compared to Moyes and Ole is lying to themselves. They at least seemed to recognize the limitations of the group of players and in some cases arguably over performed by means of tactical adjustments - albeit dull to look at in many ways. Allegri seems to have the same level of expertise in that regard but brings something LvG and Mou lack in comparison - which is being a players coach. Allegri from what I've seen is a very approachable and relatively balanced guy (like Ole I guess), which should help keep the dressing room happier. Lastly, Allegri seemed to fully buy in to the long standing traditions of Juve and playing for the badge, which should help the transition to a club like United which has lost that sense of higher purpose a bit.
 
I'll put a third vote in for Jesse Marsch... it's the kind of thing the Glazers would do, catering to the US market. But I'm still Ole In.
 
Does it seriously matter who our next manager is as long as the structure/running of the club remains as is?

Moyes/LVG and Jose all failed.

Ole is under immense pressure from the fans also.

Shall we hire Poch and restrict him the same way we have the last 4 managers? It may improve initially, but it'll go the same way as the others...….

The most logical thing I've read on here is Rangnick coming in as DOF and having COMPLETE control, along with someone like Rose as manager. That's a complete new approach, which is what we truly are desperate for.

Hiring Posh or Allegri under this structure is a waste of time, may as well keep Ole. At least ole will have consistency with the players, rather than a whole new bunch of coaches etc coming in...….
 
Craig Ward said:
Does it seriously matter who our next manager is as long as the structure/running of the club remains as is?

Moyes/LVG and Jose all failed.

Ole is under immense pressure from the fans also.

Shall we hire Poch and restrict him the same way we have the last 4 managers? It may improve initially, but it'll go the same way as the others...….

The most logical thing I've read on here is Rangnick coming in as DOF and having COMPLETE control, along with someone like Rose as manager. That's a complete new approach, which is what we truly are desperate for.

Hiring Posh or Allegri under this structure is a waste of time, may as well keep Ole. At least ole will have consistency with the players, rather than a whole new bunch of coaches etc coming in...….
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You re not wrong. Simply replacing the manager will not be enough the next go around. The recent past might even make it hard to convince Poch or Allegri to come in at all.
 
Craig Ward said:
Does it seriously matter who our next manager is as long as the structure/running of the club remains as is?

Moyes/LVG and Jose all failed.

Ole is under immense pressure from the fans also.

Shall we hire Poch and restrict him the same way we have the last 4 managers? It may improve initially, but it'll go the same way as the others...….

The most logical thing I've read on here is Rangnick coming in as DOF and having COMPLETE control, along with someone like Rose as manager. That's a complete new approach, which is what we truly are desperate for.

Hiring Posh or Allegri under this structure is a waste of time, may as well keep Ole. At least ole will have consistency with the players, rather than a whole new bunch of coaches etc coming in...….
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Yes, being consistently shit.

You are not getting it, Ole is not the whole issue, but is a very big issue.

Yes we need a new structure but we definitely need a new manager. You had better managers fail, yet you want to give more time to the worst one? Doesn't make sense to keep him at all.

You don't go might as well keep Ole, because we don't know whether Poch will be successful. You have to try to improve things, what we know for sure is that Ole is crap and will not get better.
 
Arsenal and Manchester United face the daunting prospect of having to negotiate with Tottenham Hotspur chairman Daniel Levy if they want to appoint Mauricio Pochettino this season.

Pochettino has been replaced by Jose Mourinho at Spurs, but Telegraph Sport can reveal that, under the terms of his exit, the club would still be entitled to compensation from any club, at home or abroad, that attempts to appoint the Argentine before the summer.

Although Pochettino has left Tottenham, he is not a free agent and any club wishing to appoint him would have to agree a compensation package with Levy. As well as Premier League clubs, that also applies to overseas clubs such as Bayern Munich and Real Madrid.

Pochettino is among the names being considered by Arsenal, but, as reported by Telegraph Sport on Sunday, friends of the 47-year-old have advised him to take a break and wait for a bigger job.

Bayern are also interested in Pochettino and have a vacancy, whereas United and Real have a long-standing admiration for him but currently have permanent managers in place.

Contrary to a report over the weekend, Pochettino would not have to pay back £12.5million in compensation, if he took another Premier League job before the end of the season.

Instead, it is understood Pochettino would have to give up the money he was still due if he accepted a job at another club and that club would have to pay compensation to Tottenham if they managed to strike an agreement with Levy.

Whether or not Levy would even be prepared to negotiate with Arsenal or United during the season is not certain and Tottenham refuse to discuss the contracts of any of their past or present employees.

It is unclear how long past the end of the season Spurs could still be entitled to compensation, but it was striking that in the statement confirming Pochettino’s departure, the club said he and his coaching staff had been ‘relieved of their duties’.

Pochettino, who does not have an agent, had three-and-a-half years remaining on his £8.5m-a-year contract and has travelled back to Argentina, where he visited his former club Newell’s Old Boys.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/footbal...tempts-hire-mauricio-pochettino-season-would/

Interesting.
 
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Craig Ward said:
Hiring Posh or Allegri under this structure is a waste of time, may as well keep Ole. At least ole will have consistency with the players, rather than a whole new bunch of coaches etc coming in...….
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The structure is not going to change any time soon.

You don't carry on with something that is failing because hiring managers and sacking them has failed in the past.

Managers fail, it happens that doesn't mean leave a man who is well out of his depth in charge.

We are Manutd, we have to be looking at the best coaches.
 
InLevyITrust said:
Arsenal and Manchester United face the daunting prospect of having to negotiate with Tottenham Hotspur chairman Daniel Levy if they want to appoint Mauricio Pochettino this season.

Pochettino has been replaced by Jose Mourinho at Spurs, but Telegraph Sport can reveal that, under the terms of his exit, the club would still be entitled to compensation from any club, at home or abroad, that attempts to appoint the Argentine before the summer.

Although Pochettino has left Tottenham, he is not a free agent and any club wishing to appoint him would have to agree a compensation package with Levy. As well as Premier League clubs, that also applies to overseas clubs such as Bayern Munich and Real Madrid.

Pochettino is among the names being considered by Arsenal, but, as reported by Telegraph Sport on Sunday, friends of the 47-year-old have advised him to take a break and wait for a bigger job.

Bayern are also interested in Pochettino and have a vacancy, whereas United and Real have a long-standing admiration for him but currently have permanent managers in place.

Contrary to a report over the weekend, Pochettino would not have to pay back £12.5million in compensation, if he took another Premier League job before the end of the season.

Instead, it is understood Pochettino would have to give up the money he was still due if he accepted a job at another club and that club would have to pay compensation to Tottenham if they managed to strike an agreement with Levy.

Whether or not Levy would even be prepared to negotiate with Arsenal or United during the season is not certain and Tottenham refuse to discuss the contracts of any of their past or present employees.

It is unclear how long past the end of the season Spurs could still be entitled to compensation, but it was striking that in the statement confirming Pochettino’s departure, the club said he and his coaching staff had been ‘relieved of their duties’.

Pochettino, who does not have an agent, had three-and-a-half years remaining on his £8.5m-a-year contract and has travelled back to Argentina, where he visited his former club Newell’s Old Boys.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/footbal...tempts-hire-mauricio-pochettino-season-would/

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Makes absolutely no sense. Spurs are breaching the contract (sacking him), the clause might be related to Poch compensation, but has absolutely no ties with Spurs anymore in legal matter.

He has left Tottenham, but he's not a free agent... :lol:
 
Enigma_87 said:
Makes absolutely no sense. Spurs are breaching the contract (sacking him), the clause might be related to Poch compensation, but has absolutely no ties with Spurs anymore in legal matter.

He has left Tottenham, but he's not a free agent... :lol:
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I know, Levy is good but he's no that good :lol:.
 
romufc said:
The structure is not going to change any time soon.

You don't carry on with something that is failing because hiring managers and sacking them has failed in the past.

Managers fail, it happens that doesn't mean leave a man who is well out of his depth in charge.

We are Manutd, we have to be looking at the best coaches.
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Ole is no more out of his depth than Moyes/LVG or Jose, he is bound by the structure.

As will the next manager.....

We need consistency
 
Craig Ward said:
Ole is no more out of his depth than Moyes/LVG or Jose, he is bound by the structure.

As will the next manager.....

We need consistency
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Jose was out of his depth as a manager? Do you need me to list what he has achieved? He won 2 trophies for us.

We need consistency but that doesn't mean let anyone manage this club?

You might be willing to accept consistent 6th-10th place finishes but I am not.

We are Manchester United not Everton where consistent top half is good enough.
 
Redplane said:
Simply put - I believe that anyone claiming that LvG and Mou's tenure didn't show some encouraging signs compared to Moyes and Ole is lying to themselves. They at least seemed to recognize the limitations of the group of players and in some cases arguably over performed by means of tactical adjustments - albeit dull to look at in many ways. Allegri seems to have the same level of expertise in that regard but brings something LvG and Mou lack in comparison - which is being a players coach. Allegri from what I've seen is a very approachable and relatively balanced guy (like Ole I guess), which should help keep the dressing room happier. Lastly, Allegri seemed to fully buy in to the long standing traditions of Juve and playing for the badge, which should help the transition to a club like United which has lost that sense of higher purpose a bit.
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This should be framed as the first post of Allegri's thread once he's announced as our coach. Absolutely fantastic.
 
InLevyITrust said:
I know, Levy is good but he's no that good :lol:.
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'Proper' journalism at its very best.. :lol:

I'm not even sure how they will tie it legally not to pay him a compensation if he's to take over another club(PL or whatever), till the end of the season. Unless of course he was relieved of his duties by mutual consent. Legally it makes absolutely no sense to breach the contract by sacking him and then not pay compensation if he goes on to find a new job.

All seems a bit of a clickbait to me.
 
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