I don't want Rodgers mainly because it would piss me off the amount of people who call him Rogers.
United’s next manager
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My sentient almost to the word, just want to add that even under Ferguson, when Phelan was his number 2, we were playing some of the worst football on display and were being at times outplayed by "smaller" clubs, to the point it felt like we were playing peak Barcelona.
Why do you say Pochettino will be our best bet without a DOF
Out of the manager mentioned in that post who are pure coaches and have DoFs who does all the recruitment work.
Apart from all that, Poch's work at Spurs makes him one of if not the best bet.
Pochettino is a more competent and proven version of what the board is expecting Ole to be. He might not win any trophies here but he'll develop those relationships with players, nurture them and get 100% out of the resources given to him.
It will be Poch. I have no doubts.
He's worked wonders with mid table sides.
He's worked wonders with mid table sides.
Spurs don't have a DoF?
They had but he was moved on or he moved away.
Weren't we interested in bringing in a DOF before Ole was appointed permanent manager? If the club had half a brain they should go back and revise that plan because what's happening at the minute obviously isn't working.
That's the problem isn't it.
Poch’s United Vs Mourinho’s Spurs would be brilliant to see at some point
The way the club has been ran so far makes it look like any manager that comes here is destined to fail. I wouldn't feel this way if we had a DOF with a vision for the club and a plan. The plan before appointing Ole as permanent manager was to get a DOF and then a coach while Ole stays as interim to just steadies the ship.
I mean I'm sure it's not too late to go back to that plan. I feel we have a golden opportunity if Ralf Ragnick wants to come here. He can come and serve as an interim manager till the end of the season and then appoint one of his disciples Nagelsmann or Marco Rose to coach us during our rebuild while he moves to the role of DOF. This would even give Ragnick an advantage because after coaching the squad for a while he would have had a very clear insight on what exactly we need and would try to provide that as DOF.
The only way this scenario is likely to happen is if Pochettino wants to rest for the season. If he doesn't then I'm sure the club will go for the dumb and obvious choice of hiring Poch and no DOF. Ralf Ragnick also accepting to come could be another obstacle but would Woodward even want to give up some of his power by appointing a DOF
I mean I'm sure it's not too late to go back to that plan. I feel we have a golden opportunity if Ralf Ragnick wants to come here. He can come and serve as an interim manager till the end of the season and then appoint one of his disciples Nagelsmann or Marco Rose to coach us during our rebuild while he moves to the role of DOF. This would even give Ragnick an advantage because after coaching the squad for a while he would have had a very clear insight on what exactly we need and would try to provide that as DOF.
The only way this scenario is likely to happen is if Pochettino wants to rest for the season. If he doesn't then I'm sure the club will go for the dumb and obvious choice of hiring Poch and no DOF. Ralf Ragnick also accepting to come could be another obstacle but would Woodward even want to give up some of his power by appointing a DOF
Poch no,no,no why the Poch hysteria, he is just sacked from Tottenham. It must be for a reason. And the reason is probably that he is not a winner.
I would rather go for Joakim Løw as a first choice even Manuel Pelligrini is better one he won 3 trophys with City .
I know they are both unavailable now but money talks!
I am afraid If united go for Poch the will be even more trouble.
I would rather go for Joakim Løw as a first choice even Manuel Pelligrini is better one he won 3 trophys with City .
I know they are both unavailable now but money talks!
I am afraid If united go for Poch the will be even more trouble.
Stop it please.
1. He spent over 400m in his 5 years there. Not exactly chump change.
2. Since Poch came to Spurs, the 3 England trophies have been won by some combination of City, Arsenal, United, Leicester or Chelsea. City aside, you can't possibly tell me we, Arsenal and Leicester have had better teams or managers in that span.
Wasn’t just that though was it. His stint at Chelsea ended in a similar way, in fact he’s not been the same since the Madrid job.
Early doors at Spurs. The shit storm is coming, like it always does.
If Ole goes (and I'm really not sure he will be any time soon) then I don't see how we could appoint anyone other than Rodgers.
Not only has Leicester shown he can 'do it without Suarez' but also that you don't need 5 years to build an excellent team.
I think he'd relish the opportunity of knocking his old team off their perch...
Not only has Leicester shown he can 'do it without Suarez' but also that you don't need 5 years to build an excellent team.
I think he'd relish the opportunity of knocking his old team off their perch...
We had a legendary manager from the past with even stronger links to Liverpool.
Yeah I would definitely like to see either of these guys manage Utd one day but agree that Pochettino is the guy who needs to take over from Ole whether that be now or in the summer. Hate to say it but think the idea of a DOF appointing the next manager is sadly a pipe dream even though it's what should be happening.
United should get Wenger as caretaker. He's not in big demand, and not an upcoming manager so it's possible he accepts a caretaker role where as if you get someone right now, you have a limited pool of managers to choose from and they will want to be permanent. Having a caretaker like Wenger will allow United to have better evidence to make the decision with
Ten Hag - Will be more willing to go to United after getting another go with the current Ajax, who might lose players in the summer.
Marco Rose - Get a full season's worth of evidence in how he fares in the Bundesliga
Rodgers - Better chance he leaves then, than of course now. Better evidence as it's a full season's worth of performances at Leicester.
Poch - currently in the running
Allegri - currently in the running
Nagelsman - More evidence in how he fares in the Bundesliga with RB, though he's harder to pry away from his current job
Ten Hag - Will be more willing to go to United after getting another go with the current Ajax, who might lose players in the summer.
Marco Rose - Get a full season's worth of evidence in how he fares in the Bundesliga
Rodgers - Better chance he leaves then, than of course now. Better evidence as it's a full season's worth of performances at Leicester.
Poch - currently in the running
Allegri - currently in the running
Nagelsman - More evidence in how he fares in the Bundesliga with RB, though he's harder to pry away from his current job
Matt Law: Arsenal and Manchester United face the prospect of having to negotiate with Tottenham chairman Daniel levy if they want to appoint Mauricio Pocchettino this season.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/footbal...tempts-hire-mauricio-pochettino-season-would/
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/footbal...tempts-hire-mauricio-pochettino-season-would/
I dont want Rodgers because he is a bellend. Who the feck has a painting of themselves hanging in the house? Unless you are 17th century royalty, that is utterly unacceptable
With Zidane firmly in place in Madrid, we have a tough competitor less in the run for Poch. It has to be him, doesn't it? Personally I'd prefer to gamble all out for Nagelsmann, but Woodie is too cautious and conservative for that to happen. Allegri is a good solid manager, but not the man to bring about the revolution we need here to challenge for trophies again.
Plenty of players and managers are bellends including plenty of United legends.
If he comes in and does something akin to what he's doing at Leicester, and especially if he ultimately topples Liverpool, then I'm happy that he commissions all the paintings of himself that he wants.
Ornstein reposted the tweet so I'd tend to buy into more than the standard MEN rumor
He was appoointed last month as FIFAs Chief of Global Football Development. I think his manager days (caretaker or otherwise) are behind him.
Is that photo shopped or just Poch at a Spurs - United press conference? Either way its just utter click bate trash from the usual Twitter journos.
How about net spend? How about 3 windows signing no one? How about low wages compared to the big clubs? How about big players leaving?
One of the reason why Poch didn't win any trophy was because Spurs didn't take FA and Carling Cup seriously. They concentrate on CL and EPL top four.
Beggars can't be choosers.
Zidane is far from firmly in place in Madrid. Unless he wins either La Liga or CL this season he's gone.
Key part from that Luckhurst article. Unless we go the interim route again when Ole is finally sacked, Poch won't be our manager.
So Allegri it is.
I'm not going to go through financial records, Idc that much honestly. I doubt Arsenal or Leicester have spent that much more, if at all.
One of the reasons they haven't won anything is because of things like this:
http://www.skysports.com/football/n...o-and-tottenham-always-want-to-be-in-top-four
I seriously doubt Levy told him to not win any trophies. Managers decide the team and what they 'care' about. Just the fact that we have to decide what trophy he cared about disqualifies him from any discussion because a club like Manchester United should win every trophy there is and their managers and players should always be hungry for more. That's a top club. Attitudes like Poch has have no business at United.
Btw, what happened when Leicester won the league? He didn't care about it either? LC spent a billion pounds on new players? What about Conte's Chelsea, team that finished 10th a year before?
Also, let's take a look at which teams eliminated Poch from FA and EFL cup:
- FA: Leicester, Crystal Palace, Chelsea, United, Palace again
- EFL: Chelsea (final), Arsenal, Liverpool, West Ham, Chelsea, Colchester
Excuses are plenty, but the point remains he should've done much, much better.
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Poch is partially to blame there
I really don't think a new manager will solve all our problems. We need to remove Woody from all football matters also, just keep him away and let him concentrate on commercial matters. We also need a huge investment and be able to bring in TOP Players ASAP. Not over 3/4 windows.
If we really want to get back to the top, then the new manager has to be BACKED.
If we really want to get back to the top, then the new manager has to be BACKED.
I think the rumours of Ragnick coming in and then moving back to DOF would be the ideal if Ole can't get a win on Wednesday. I can't see how we're moving forward if we get beat on Weds, we'd be going backwards as we beat them last year and they were better then.
Agreed but Solskjaer is not failing because he never got backed.
He still had arguably the best 1st team in the league for 2 seasons.
This is all a bit of bollocks really, Poch said he concentrated on the League which he did, but he also got to 2 FA Cup Semis, 1 League Cup Semi and 1 League Cup Final, as well as a CL Final. The chances were their for him to win a trophy, we simply failed to perform or bottled it, the game against Chelsea in the SF of the FA is a good example.
He did not, that is a massive exaggeration. Spurs have never had the best 1st team in any season. Poch made the side over perform. I believe though he should have pushed Spurs to the title the season Leicester won it. On top of that the squad as a whole always had deficiencies
I don't understand the need to belittle Poch now you have sacked him, he did a great job at Spurs. Probably should have won a trophy but oh well. It all went down hill when thee squad needed evolution and you were unable to spend for 18 months
This is a bit bizarre. United fans defending an ex Spurs manager from Spurs fans. 
We focus far too much on how much a manager does or does not spend.
Much more important is by how much does the manager improve the level of performance of the players in his squad.
Spending money is easy.
Coaching improvement is much more difficult.
How have I belittled him? He is a great coach and a great guy.... I loved him as our manager. This whole *omg they have sacked him* is media bullshit, a lot of fans were calling for it, and were surprised he got so long.
I don’t see how you can say he didn’t have one of the best starting 11s for nearly 2 seasons. It was argued a lot right across the media. He should definitely won something.
He didn’t make the squad over perform, we had a quality back line, a World Cup winning keeper. Son, Kane, Eriksen, Dele scoring for fun and a prim(ish) Dembele/Wanyama and a solid Dier. I do agree as a club he had us overpreforming.
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Player for player your midfield has never been on par with anything like Citys at any point, in fact your midfield has always been an issue, even when you had Dier and Dembele, Dier being the weak link.
Then your forward line Kane and Son were always accompanied by a weak link
Your 11 was never the best despite the crap the media was peddling. You had a good defence (CB pairing) and Kane mainly and Son then also developed into an elite talent.
I do agree he should have won something, but getting to a UCL final is way more than anything that side should have achieved. I believe most fans would swap that for winning an FA cup sure, but in reality that was a far greater achievement.
I think its belittling to suggest he had the best 11 in the league for 2 seasons, I think it belittles the work he did to make players like Rose, Dier, Lamela, Sissoko, Davies etc perform way beyond their level.