Jose's interview, what he said and how he is looking fresh was very similar to 2016. He is saying what the fans want to hear.
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Jose's interview, what he said and how he is looking fresh was very similar to 2016. He is saying what the fans want to hear.
I hope that's what it is.
But that's the aura around him; he stirs things up, makes people sit up and listen. It's waned a lot with the football of City and Liverpool though.
If Woody had any sence we would be on Poch like a rash and get this done...
So bored of reading stuff like this - you don't even actually believe it yourself so why bother posting it?
At this rate ole should be given 3 years, and 3 years bar relegation.
Time to put this young and visionary and long term bullshit done and dusted. If it works great we'll have our next saf, if it doesnt then and only then our fans can accept that asking for another saf is a pipe dream and probably only then we can operate like any other top team and not being burdened by united value and all that.
If we hit the reset button the fans would still be split between ole and poch and nothing good will come of it.
Time to put this young and visionary and long term bullshit done and dusted. If it works great we'll have our next saf, if it doesnt then and only then our fans can accept that asking for another saf is a pipe dream and probably only then we can operate like any other top team and not being burdened by united value and all that.
If we hit the reset button the fans would still be split between ole and poch and nothing good will come of it.
He should, but he won’t.
feck off
Sums it up for me. He may not be the finished article, nor is he guaranteed to get there, but he deserves credit for what he achieved.
He's actually been a victim of his own success to a degree. He's had Spurs punching well above their weight given what he's had to spend. It's no coincidence that the wheels have come off when he hasn't been able to replace and renew his squad with top class players, along with having umpteen players looking to run down their contracts and cash in.
I really hope we make some sort of pre-agreement with Poch, tell him to take some time out and be announced in the summer. We've got to move for one of the top managers in world football.
Ole has done a good job, he has got rid of some of the rot, he has brought in good young players, he's changing the way we play and do business in the transfer market. But he will never be in the same league as Poch in terms of managerial ability.
Ole has done a good job, he has got rid of some of the rot, he has brought in good young players, he's changing the way we play and do business in the transfer market. But he will never be in the same league as Poch in terms of managerial ability.
Indeed... here we go!
- Danny Rose played 30 games for Spurs in the season before Pochettino, so no. His Sunderland loan was 2 seasons prior to Poch, where he was player of the season for them.
- Kane didn't "fail" at loans - he did well at Millwall in the Championship and was used as a winger at Leicester. Again, he played 20 times for spurs in the season before Poch (including the infamous game against United where he booted the ball away and spat on himself), and ended the season under Sherwood as the main striker, bagging a few goals in the process. He started the season dropped under Pochettino until he needed him (he didn't play a league game until November of Poch's first season).
He certainly had a good run at spurs, but he showed his weaknesses in the last couple of seasons - he ruined players fitnesses (crocking Dembele and Wanyama, plus Kane several times) due to his short-term approach to training sessions, and ran out of ideas tactically several times. It's reasonably criminal that he couldn't win a cup with a team that had Harry Kane in it - never mind one that couldn't win an away game with one.
If Man Utd do hire him, I would completely expect things to follow a similar trajectory - a good couple of seasons, fans wooed by his personality, chairman wooed by his passivity, then broken players after a few seasons and then edging into the same prickly tramp mode that Mourinho went into. He would be under far more pressure at United and had a slow start at Spurs, so I would expect - in all reality - no different that what has been observed under OGS.
Well, its hard to take you seriously. You have been to this forum since 2014, and your average team rating is 1.3?
Ole has done a great job with the rebuild.
The results reflect the fact that we have sold a lot more players than we have got in. And most of the ones we've got are either to poor, to old, to young, injured or the wrong type of player.
So don't blame Ole. Judge him after 7 transfers and a year to make them gell.
You know who to blame ; )
We arent able to break down teams because we dont have any real strikers and too little creativity in th midfield.
Woody has sold too many players without replacing them. We only have had 3 transfers.
You cant blame Ole yet.
I've done like one squad rating ever, after a battering. I never do them. I was pissed off and gave everybody 1s and 2s.
If Ole is doing a great job I'd hate to see a bad job. Since PSG we've lost considerably more games than we've won. That's a great job for the biggest club in the world?
Keep drinking that kool aid my brother.
You can't really compare Klopp at Dortmund to Pep at Barca? Pep formed and managed arguably the greatest club side there has ever been
How can you know unless you give him a chance?
Teams aren’t built in a year. It takes a few seasons. Especially when you have had absolute chaos behind the scenes for 6 years and the greatest manager of all time has left and left an aging (yet capable) squad.
Ole has firstly had to undo all the Moyes, LVG and especially the José damage. Then sort out the dressing room. Then get the team to play how he wants. Mammoth task for anyone.
They took a massive gamble in not signing more than 3 players but the key to this rebuild is definitely getting the right players in rather than numbers.
We are really close to something. We’re not at the raging forest fire stage but there’s definitely a few sparks starting.
Poch has done a great job at Spurs. They’re gone from ‘“lads, it’s Spurs” to regularly League challengers under him, with a bare transfer kitty. You give 500m to him (as what we gave Mou) at Spurs, he’d have Spurs dominating this League like Bayern in Bundesliga.
But he won't be out of a job come January ? He will rightly have his job come Jan come may and come August because for the 1st time since Fergie left we are clearing out the shite and are actually making promising signings. Is Ole going to win us trophies ? I'm not sure is the answer but what I am sure of is the fact that us match going fans will support the idea that this is the transformation we have needed for a long time and at the end of Oles time at the club we will be in a way way stronger place than we where a year ago
His score prediction stats are horrendous. Relegation form actually: Position out of 1788 members = 1598
I hope this happens too but wouldn't mind betting that Pochettino will have already agreed to manage Bayern by the time we have reacted.
With Poc now available and free of Levy, this would be my order of preference.
1) Poc
2) Rogers
3) Gareth Southgate
4) Marco Rose
5) Erik Ten Hag
1) Poc
2) Rogers
3) Gareth Southgate
4) Marco Rose
5) Erik Ten Hag
More like I-want-him-gone-so-i-will-rewrite-everything. Most ManUtd fans used the same argument even when Jose was our manager but used trophies as stick to beat him. Not very few players looked average, Walker, Rose, Dembele, Kane, Vertonghen (defensively), Eriksen and few more. That's half of your team.
Yeah sure, Demeble being a crock is on Poch. Funny how Spurs fans argued how a cup won't change anything, now it's 'he didn't even win a cup'.
At Spurs he had a shit squad and started with way lower level, with no money to spend. That won't be the case if he joins ManUtd or any other big club. Yeah, he had just a couple of good seasons, finishing top 4 with Spurs in every season bar the first.
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It's sad seeing Spurs fans of all people actively discrediting Pochettino now, after everything he done for them.
Taking over a broken team with overpaid pampered players and no money left to buy anyone. Still remain highly competitive, achieving top 4 year on year, in the toughest league in the world.
Yeah, easiest job in the world, that was.
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Yeah and reading some of the posts, i have a newfound respect for Glastonspur.
Tbh I was pretty reactionary with that post. I agree after the last few games we should keep him and see where it goes.
I agree we will be in a better place ‘we hope’ by the time this season is over. It’s all a big ‘if’ though at this point. We are still shocking in the league but I’m willing to give him time until it is just not feesable.
We can do the rebuild without him that’s a fact but I hope he gets the credibility for getting us on the right path and brings in Haaland as a present for our patience. He won’t be around long though I almost guarentee that. Goodwill is a great thing but it won’t save him if we are in poor form by the end of the season.
Whatever happens he’s still a United legend and a Europa league win would be a fantastic moment for the club with Ole as boss. That should be our aim now.
We should at least touch base with Pochettino to see if he would be interested in the job next summer.
Managers like Nagelsmann might not be available for a while yet and just don't see Ole at the level to be a Utd manager in the long term.
Managers like Nagelsmann might not be available for a while yet and just don't see Ole at the level to be a Utd manager in the long term.
Of course we can do a rebuild without him, the thing is though, hes doing a better job of it than LvG and Jose and those guys had way, way more impressive CV's than Ole.
So even though our league form so far has been pretty awful, what is happening behind the scenes is encouraging so i am very skeptical to getting someone new who might do a better rebuild job, but we dont really know.
Honestly, the only manager i would be confident in doing a great rebuild job is Klopp, and hes sadly as unavailable as it gets
I don’t get how you can be in a worst league position.. and be doing a great job. He’s out performing David Moyes on who’s the worst manager. But he’s doing a good job?
Hes doing better than Moyes win% wise, but that was not the point anyways
Jose and LvG was brought in to win trophies i guess? But they did an awful job on the rebuild part. Ole on the other hand is less likely than Jose to bring silverware, but so far looks to do a better job on the rebuilding part. Doing a decent rebuild is not mutually exclusive with success on the field, but they are not the same either.
To put it another way: I would much rather end up 6th and see us promote and purchase young and promising players who would strengthen us 2-3 years from now than go all-in for top 4 and go for even more short term solutions because we want success now.
LVG was brought in to bring his football ethics and start an original rebuild. We gave him a 3 year contract he only wanted two. I don’t believe it was ever a similar situation to Mourinho’s otherwise we wouldn’t have sacked him after winning an FA Cup. What exactly is Ole doing away from the field that’s so successful? I haven’t heard anything about new training methods, new dietitians, new Bielsa like monitoring of players. All things that we heard under LVG’s rebuild. All he’s done is get rid of players who were already one foot out and replaced them with no-one. I could have done that for half the price.
He's passed LvG's win% as well.
Not that it has any bearing on our current situation, but I just know that someone is going to be wildly triggered reading that fact and get on here with some argument typed with clenched buttcheeks.
Passed his win % or creeping back down towards it. Considering he had one of the greatest starts of any football coach.
Spurs have never challenged for the league under Poch. Hell, they managed to come third in a two-horse race the season Leicester won the league.
They're still regarded as bottlers, just as they were before Poch.
United fans need to realise that he's not the Messiah, just a good (not brilliant) manager.
Spurs found 72pts in 2012-13 season, 69 in 2013-2014 season, finishing 5th and 6th respectively.
Poch's first full year ended up with a 5th place finish, but only 64 points. They've won exactly nothing in all his years there, and one could argue the reason for the successes they have had is to Harry Kane's benefit.
I'm sure he's a decent manager, but its not like he was an immediate success or filled up any trophy rooms. In, fact spurs collected more points every season 4 years in a row prior to his appointment (under Rednapp, Villas-Boas & Sherwood).
Poch's first full year ended up with a 5th place finish, but only 64 points. They've won exactly nothing in all his years there, and one could argue the reason for the successes they have had is to Harry Kane's benefit.
I'm sure he's a decent manager, but its not like he was an immediate success or filled up any trophy rooms. In, fact spurs collected more points every season 4 years in a row prior to his appointment (under Rednapp, Villas-Boas & Sherwood).
I do not think Poch is the man to take us forward. We need a better manager than him. Now Jose is at Spurs we can see the difference. I am sure Jose will win a trophy at Spurs.
If either/both of Klopp/Guardiola move on to pastures new, managing Manchester United suddenly becomes a supremely attractive position again. Poch would certainly come in that scenario
yes giv ehim 3 years knowing that we wont win nothing with him,!!
If Ole fails, what would you think about Magnus Haglund as manager?
Yeah and LvG failed pretty hard in that department if you ask me. I've said this before but he sold good players like Nani, Evans and Rafael for peanuts, and while he did have some good signings, notably Herrera and Martial, most of his transfers were shit. LvG sure brought some "new" training methods, but lets not pretend they were successful. Sure, he managed to implement them with very notable effects on the field, but the football it produced was pretty dire and the results were not great either
I have said this before, but transfers and squad building at this stage is incredibly important and this is where i feel Ole is doing a much better job than his predecessors. 3/3 signing have all walked into our first XI and improved us markedly and that with only a net spend of 90 million. Considering both LvG and Jose usually spent around 130-150 million net each year and had a lot of weird signings, Ole is looking quite good in comparison. If the next transfers windows are as good as this one, our squad will be in pretty good shape suddenly. And you can discredit him getting rid of deadwood all you want, still does not change the fact that hes the only one who has actually done it
Players are also happy and just this week Rashford said this to Sky: https://www.skysports.com/football/...solskjaer-no-one-better-for-manchester-united Players still publicly backing him despite our shit league form must mean he is doing something right and the players still have faith in him. Unless of course Ole is just selling them snake oil and they all are somehow suffering from Stockholm syndrome or something
Who do you think is the man to take us forward,personally I don't see Ole ever being at the level required to manage this club