United’s next manager

croadyman said:
Who do you think is the man to take us forward,personally I don't see Ole ever being at the level required to manage this club
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It might be true, but I can't see anyone who would improve us at the moment. We are a club that needs changes higher than manager and his team. We need changes at the very top, if not personal, at least in the way we view football (which is going to be even harder to achieve).

Sacking Solskjaer won't help us at all right now. If we sack him, the new manager will get a good start and will give us new hope, but after a year or a few months, we'll be in the same position.

As much as I love Ole and I love him as our manager, I think that Mourinho (although he had really poor results) may have been sacked too early as our players aren't world class and it's not a manager's fault or a particular manager's faul. Bad management in overall since Fergie's retirement and thinking that sacking and hiring changes the team hasn't helped.

We need changes in the club (not team), but if they don't happen, there's no point in sacking Ole and paying him up.
 
Ole should see out the season and allowed to bring in at least 2 players in jan. That will be virtuallly half a team with the summer 3 and we can see if there is a marked improvement in the 2nd half of the season. There are signs (Bournemouth aside) that we are getting a run together with the football looking better than it was as well. As I said on another thread if the board are keen on Pocc they could pay him to hold fire taking a job until the end of the season. If we are 8-10 points off top 4 for example then they can press the trigger on Ole. Personally I would be looking at the likes of Nagelsmann if we were hiring another 'modern' manager. Pocc has had about 10 years in the Prem and won feck all.
 
Needham said:
If either/both of Klopp/Guardiola move on to pastures new, managing Manchester United suddenly becomes a supremely attractive position again. Poch would certainly come in that scenario
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Liverpool and City would get much better managers than Poch.
United should do the same.
Don’t ask me who though. It’s a way off for all three clubs.
 
Bobcat said:
Of course we can do a rebuild without him, the thing is though, hes doing a better job of it than LvG and Jose and those guys had way, way more impressive CV's than Ole.

So even though our league form so far has been pretty awful, what is happening behind the scenes is encouraging so i am very skeptical to getting someone new who might do a better rebuild job, but we dont really know.

Honestly, the only manager i would be confident in doing a great rebuild job is Klopp, and hes sadly as unavailable as it gets
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Just wait a sec here... No he’s not. Mourinho was our best coach since Sir Alex. It’s not even a debate. We played the best and most productive football under him for 2 years, won 2 trophies and got to an FA Cup final. Finished second to a brilliant City side which was a very good showing for our squad.

He brought in Zlatan who has been our best player recently, Pogba our second best. I’m pretty sure a few managers could make us better let’s not pretend we are some kind of impossible job. We have just been mismanaged and the fans brainwashed.

Some things have been ‘maybe’ improved. We don’t have a clue at this junction though since we are so low down. If we finish in the same position we have failed full stop. Ole’s in-game management is still abysmal at times and he will be found out again even if I’m liking ‘some’ of the things he’s implemented recently.

If Ole and the club can help bring in some star players we’ll see how well we do. The club needs to spend soon since we are in a position to do so again. We are a massive club and our next step is to start acting like it and winning some trophies. Anything else is total failure with our budget.
 
Son said:
Just wait a sec here... No he’s not. Mourinho was our best coach since Sir Alex. It’s not even a debate. We played the best and most productive football under him for 2 years, won 2 trophies and got to an FA Cup final. Finished second to a brilliant City side which was a very good showing for our squad.

He brought in Zlatan who has been our best player recently, Pogba our second best. I’m pretty sure a few managers could make us better let’s not pretend we are some kind of impossible job. We have just been mismanaged and the fans brainwashed.

Some things have been ‘maybe’ improved. We don’t have a clue at this junction though since we are so low down. If we finish in the same position we have failed full stop. Ole’s in-game management is still abysmal at times and he will be found out again even if I’m liking ‘some’ of the things he’s implemented recently.

If Ole and the club can help bring in some star players we’ll see how well we do. The club needs to spend soon since we are in a position to do so again. We are a massive club and our next step is to start acting like it and winning some trophies. Anything else is total failure with our budget.
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I did not say he was the best manager, i said he was the one who did the rebuild the best

I loved having Zlatan here, but he was 35 years old. Bringing him and Matic pretty much proves what Jose was trying to do and it was not rebuilding for the future. We have been plagued by short term thinking ever since Fergie retired and Ole seems to be the first one who is thinking ahead instead of right here and now
 
Bobcat said:
I did not say he was the best manager, i said he was the one who did the rebuild the best

I loved having Zlatan here, but he was 35 years old. Bringing him and Matic pretty much proves what Jose was trying to do and it was not rebuilding for the future. We have been plagued by short term thinking ever since Fergie retired and Ole seems to be the first one who is thinking ahead instead of right here and now
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Yes I see what u mean now. Matic was good for about 6 months that was a useless buy despite his early form.

I still don’t understand why Fabinho was not signed instead. Mou even brought him through at Real Madrid so you’d have thought he of all people would have rated him.

I really hope it works out for Ole but I assume his in-game tactics will eventually lose him the job. I’d like to be proved wrong though. Whatever happens the club is in a healthy state of affairs financially so in the future success is always possible.
 
Foxbatt said:
I do not think Poch is the man to take us forward. We need a better manager than him. Now Jose is at Spurs we can see the difference. I am sure Jose will win a trophy at Spurs.
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Poch will take a job at a big club and win more trophies between now and when Jose retires than Jose will. Miles better manager in todays football.
 
Things might change quite fast in football. Six months ago, everyone wanted Poch when he got Spurs to the CL final. Now, hmm..

I would say, IF we have to replace Solskjær this summer, we should go for Brendan Rodgers.
 
Poch is a clear upgrade on Ole, but I've never warmed to the bloke on a personality level, and his attitude towards trophies doesn't really fit with the club. I honestly don't know how I'd feel if he took over, even though I'm certain it would be an improvement on what we have. Very conflicted.
 
Sky1981 said:
Dont bet in it. Poch would do fine winning half if what jose has won.
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Nobody can take away what he’s done in the past but he’s not the same Jose that he was in his prime hence why u said from now until he retires.

Prime Jose can compete with the very best though I agree.
 
Castia said:
Poch will take a job at a big club and win more trophies between now and when Jose retires than Jose will. Miles better manager in todays football.
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So Poch is a better manager in today’s football, yet Jose has won more in today’s football and finished higher in the league with an inferior first team?

Not to mention Poch will have to sacrifice his pay off to join this season.
 
InLevyITrust said:
So Poch is a better manager in today’s football, yet Jose has won more in today’s football and finished higher in the league with an inferior first team?

Not to mention Poch will have to sacrifice his pay off to join this season.
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Never ceases to amaze me how fickle a football fan can be.
 
InLevyITrust said:
So Poch is a better manager in today’s football, yet Jose has won more in today’s football and finished higher in the league with an inferior first team?

Not to mention Poch will have to sacrifice his pay off to join this season.
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Not sure if sarcasm or a genuine change in tune we are witnessing from the resident spurs fans:drool:
 
ayushreddevil9 said:
Not sure if sarcasm or a genuine change in tune we are witnessing from the resident spurs fans:drool:
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What change in tune, I said Poch had lost the dressing room for months? I said we should keep him only if there wasn’t a better option. Again il miss Poch, I love the guy, but facts are facts.
 
Pexbo said:
Sure, I’ll let you start.
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I did, what else should I say? I wouldn’t, he is toxic, but he is here? What else can I do? I have even said, I didn’t like Jose when we appointed him, but he one of those characters, when he is yours his character takes you.
 
When Jose was Utd manager:

United fans:
Jose is better than Poch because he has won more

Spurs fans:
Haha enjoy your mickey mouse cups while we have a modern progressive manager who won't sacrifice long term progress for short term gains

United fans:
Jose still won more with an inferior squad

Spurs fans:
Would rather watch our team produce great football, positive atmosphere and climb up the ladder without spending a lot. Onwards and upwards!

And when Jose is spurs manager:
InLevyITrust said:
So Poch is a better manager in today’s football, yet Jose has won more in today’s football and finished higher in the league with an inferior first team?

Not to mention Poch will have to sacrifice his pay off to join this season.
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FFS all we have had is injuries to important positions and yet, to you stat lovers, the only game we really should have lost is West Ham. To put that in perspective of all the games we've played, including the all conquering Liverpool, we 'should' have won all except West Ham while having a stupid injury list. Now that one of those players is back (Martial) we suddenly look good again. Ever stop to think that we have found a formation and that with Pogba at 10 and Shaw back we might look even better? The fact is that under Jose we lost a lot and deserved it but this season under Ole we have lost a lot and deserved only to lose one. Think I'm a liar? Then go watch all our games this season and tell me we deserved to lose to more than just West Ham. Again we've dealt with injuries that no one else has except Man City have and guess what suddenly they are "looking like a shadow of their former selves".
 
Pexbo said:
Sure, I’ll let you start.
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ayushreddevil9 said:
When Jose was Utd manager:

United fans:
Jose is better than Poch because he has won more

Spurs fans:
Haha enjoy your mickey mouse cups while we have a modern progressive manager who won't sacrifice long term progress for short term gains

United fans:
Jose still won more with an inferior squad

Spurs fans:
Would rather watch our team produce great football, positive atmosphere and climb up the ladder without spending a lot. Onwards and upwards!

And when Jose is spurs manager:
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Pexbo said:
So you still feel the same?
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Of course not, but it’s not fickle, Poch was done I’m not gonna kick off when we appoint him, it’s not gonna change anything if I did.
 
InLevyITrust said:
Of course not, but it’s not fickle, Poch was done I’m not gonna kick off when we appoint him, it’s not gonna change anything if I did.
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It’s the dictionary definition of fickle.

I’m not being horrible, it’s just football and I’m making a simple observation. I was totally against Moyes, then he was our manager and I got behind him for a while, until I wasn’t.
 
Pexbo said:
It’s the dictionary definition of fickle.

I’m not being horrible, it’s just football and I’m making a simple observation. I was totally against Moyes, then he was our manager and I got behind him for a while, until I wasn’t.
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Ok I said I wouldn’t want Jose, that’s true, but when you think that as a Spurs fan I probably never thought we could get him. When you said I was fickle I thought you meant about my ease of acceptance of Poch being removed. Not so much accepting Jose. So yeah I can see how I seem fickle about now accepting Jose when I said I didn’t like him, so yeah you are probably right in that aspect. Again though Poch had to go for me.

I know youn are not a horrible poster your probably the best poster on here.
 
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InLevyITrust said:
Ok I said I wouldn’t want Jose, that’s true, but when you think that as a Spurs fan I probably never thought we could get him. When you said I was fickle I thought you meant about my ease of acceptance of Poch being removed. Not so much accepting Jose. So yeah I can see how I seem fickle about now accepting Jose when I said I didn’t like him, so yeah you are probably right in that aspect. Again though Poch had to go for me.
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Why not Levy? Hasn't he refused to spend properly?

Edit: isn't he more to blame than Poch (who I don't rate by the way).
 
InLevyITrust said:
Ok I said I wouldn’t want Jose, that’s true, but when you think that as a Spurs fan I probably never thought we could get him. When you said I was fickle I thought you meant about my ease of acceptance of Poch being removed. Not so much accepting Jose. So yeah I can see how I seem fickle about now accepting Jose when I said I didn’t like him, so yeah you are probably right in that aspect. Again though Poch had to go for me.
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There's nothing wrong with you changing your mind under different cirumstances. I wanted Jose before we got him now i'd never want him back. I'm not fickle.
 
kidbob said:
Why not Levy? Hasn't he refused to spend properly?

Edit: isn't he more to blame than Poch (who I don't rate by the way).
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Look I can see how people hate levy but I’ve been a Spurs fan pre levy so I know where we have come from. Poch was signed and agreed to the purse strings and I think we’re moving on now. It’s just bad timing with it all, Poch just clearly lost the players somehow, just ok at the performance today, Dele is a great example.
 
Mainoldo said:
There's nothing wrong with you changing your mind under different cirumstances. I wanted Jose before we got him now i'd never want him back. I'm not fickle.
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True, Jose is enchanting, yes I realise a lot of what he says is bullshit, but it’s good bullshit.
 
Let us all be super honest here: we are crazy if we are not going for Pochettino.

He has proved he can develop players and we have the youngest squad in the league with a handful of talents in academy.

Let him rest until the end of the season and let Ole run the show this season.

I think it will happen.
 
InLevyITrust said:
Look I can see how people hate levy but I’ve been a Spurs fan pre levy so I know where we have come from. Poch was signed and agreed to the purse strings and I think we’re moving on now. It’s just bad timing with it all, Poch just clearly lost the players somehow, just ok at the performance today, Dele is a great example.
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Will Levy agree to Mou's requests for huge spending considering you need to replace 2xCB, LB, RB GK, CM (maybe 2), AM. This is where the problem lies. Poch accepted his situation but Mou is going to expect the 6 players you need to make your squad challengers again (which is what Jose wants by the way, 2nd isn't a win for him). I foresee huge problems between Jose and Levy come this summer.
 
Knowing us we’ll do another 180 and go for Simeone, just so that we can rip up the entire side again and start afresh.

Going from Ole and the idea of using the academy and improving players to Pochettino who has the same ideals is simply just too smart and non-United like.
 
kidbob said:
Will Levy agree to Mou's requests for huge spending considering you need to replace 2xCB, LB, RB GK, CM (maybe 2), AM. This is where the problem lies. Poch accepted his situation but Mou is going to expect the 6 players you need to make your squad challengers again (which is what Jose wants by the way, 2nd isn't a win for him). I foresee huge problems between Jose and Levy come this summer.
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The side Mourinho put out today needs nothing like the sort of drastic rebuilding you suggest. The 6 in front of the back four are all there for the long run, they need money spending at the back and some tweaks.
 
kidbob said:
Will Levy agree to Mou's requests for huge spending considering you need to replace 2xCB, LB, RB GK, CM (maybe 2), AM. This is where the problem lies. Poch accepted his situation but Mou is going to expect the 6 players you need to make your squad challengers again (which is what Jose wants by the way, 2nd isn't a win for him). I foresee huge problems between Jose and Levy come this summer.
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I don’t agree with what u think we need, a RB and a CB yes, maybe Bruno in midfield. I think it’s silly to think Levy and Jose hasn’t talked about transfer funds, we have been speaking to him since October. Trust me I know it could all go to shit, but the money Levy paid to get Jose make me feel good
 
InLevyITrust said:
So Poch is a better manager in today’s football, yet Jose has won more in today’s football and finished higher in the league with an inferior first team?

Not to mention Poch will have to sacrifice his pay off to join this season.
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Not sure what you mean better, but in the eyes of pretty much every football executive and at this very moment in time, yes, Poch's stocks are higher. Meaning, he has more chance to get a job at the top club than Jose (Bayern, Madrid, Barcelona, Juventus...). Well, some bridges Jose burned himself.

That can easily change of course depending on how well Pochettino will handle a bigger job that will come his way. But, atm, yeah he is more in demand based on his work in Spurs.
 
InLevyITrust said:
I don’t agree with what u think we need, a RB and a CB yes, maybe Bruno in midfield. I think it’s silly to think Levy and Jose hasn’t talked about transfer funds, we have been speaking to him since October. Trust me I know it could all go to shit, but the money Levy paid to get Jose make me feel good
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Well then why wouldn't he give it to your best manager ever. Was Levy sabotaging Poch so? You honestly need to replace Lloris (old), Verthongen (old), Alderweirald (contract), Aurier (shite), Eriksen (contract) Rose (contract). Who do have to replace them when you have to consider that Winks, Alli, Moura, Lamela, Sisokko and Davies who aren't good enough to play for a title winning team. If Levy gave huge money to Jose would you not be pissed that he refused to give it to Poch? Any real reason that you believe he would suddenly fund such a big rebuild? Also surely Kane (who I don't doubt loves the club but has to want the trophies his stature deserves) and Son might think of leaving in the near future too.

Edit: not good enough to start but can be subs. Then you still need 7 starting players assuming you manage to hold onto Kane and Son.
 
Jim Beam said:
Not sure what you mean better, but in the eyes of pretty much every football executive and at this very moment in time, yes, Poch's stocks are higher. Meaning, he has more chance to get a job at the top club than Jose (Bayern, Madrid, Barcelona, Juventus...). Well, some bridges Jose burned himself.

That can easily change of course depending on how well Pochettino will handle a bigger job that will come his way. But, atm, yeah he is more in demand based on his work in Spurs.
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Time will tel.
 
Regulus Arcturus Black said:
The side Mourinho put out today needs nothing like the sort of drastic rebuilding you suggest. The 6 in front of the back four are all there for the long run, they need money spending at the back and some tweaks.
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Are Kane and Son really there for the long run? Can they really accept another 3 years of 'low' wages while Jose rebuilds a back 4 and GK and they understand that their talents would be valued any top club. Lose Kane or Son (the most likely) then they are screwed. One question do you think Spurs win the league in the next 3 years? It could happen but the likelihood is no and Kane will only have so much loyalty before leaving to a club who suit his ability. Can you really imagine the best striker in the world (which for me he is) staying at a club that doesn't challenge?
 
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