Tory Britain all over.
UK General Election - 12th December 2019 | Con 365, Lab 203, LD 11, SNP 48, Other 23 - Tory Majority of 80
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Heartbreaking statistics, it really illustrates what I said yesterday - over 6 million people who are employed live below the poverty line, this is the reality.
I find it repulsive that politicians don't challenge such statements.
I might not like Boris but I'd have a lot more respect for him if he'd turned around and quashed that type of statement.
Thing is I'm not even sure Corbyn would stand up to that. They're just too afraid of the tabloids attacking them for calling out an odious human being.
I don't recognise the country anymore.
That level of poverty.
And it will get worse if current policies are not reversed.
That level of poverty.
And it will get worse if current policies are not reversed.
Not defending his views or those he related to... but I’m kinda with you.
I don’t think we want to be ruled by politicians that had the same views at 20 as at 30, 40, 50.
Those views are flawed and read like someone who gets news in an echo chamber. But they’re really not insane or aggressive.
I said so much dumb shit up to the age of 20. I couldnt be trusted to advise an 18 year old on any facet of adult life in a dependable manner at that point. But I now advise rooms of people and have a couple of freshly dumb 20 year olds under my wing. I’m still the same person.
why the constant focus on protecting perpetrators of bullshit behaviour? I doubt them having a poor upbringing provides much comfort to the neighbours who’s lives have been made shite.
They might have had a poor upbringing, it’s a shame. They’re still knobs though.
Obviously, I don't know anything about his particular circumstances, but how much does it cost to rent a room in a shared house/flat in London? Round my way, for somewhere decent, you need to spend around £400 a month, I guess, but it's probably more in London. A friend of mine works as a labourer on a contract by contract basis, so he has periods when he is out of work, but he does rent a room. It's not ideal, but it must be a better option than a hostel, by the sounds of what he is saying. He has a job so will be able to get a reference from work and has regular earnings, even if it's zero hours.
And before you all throw your hands in the air and shout Tory! I am just trying understand why that is not a better option for this man.
Good work, I know many clinging on the to 2017 as a this is what it looked like then and look how that turned out. I think the best result we can hope (if you voted romain) for is it turns out the same.
This is interesting below, many sky reporters have been travelling with the campaigners and saying similar things. I hope this is true and polls way off like 2 years ago.
@Fiskey I remember some years back that you quit Labour because of Corbyn. Was it because of his policies or his racism?
This really isn't very difficult. Do you want more knobs? Then continue on the present course. Do you want less knobs? Look into systemic issues instead of only focusing on punishing the current knobs.
How many dumb bald potato men are actually out there? I swear they're multiplying.
Does boris need to change his trunks?
Never heard of him.
You've got it the wrong way around.
How so?
Yeh of course identifying what the exact issue is and trying to solve it will help. But at the end of the day people cannot just continue to live with their head in the clouds over inequality of the quality of a person. There are absolute knobs out there and there always will be. I’ve never seen why they should be treated nicely. The only solution is make less of them.
Judging by the most of your posts here you don't appear to know much about anything of consequence when it comes to the sad socioeconomic reality of the country you currently call home. Part of me almost envies your unbridled ignorance on such matters.
I think this page, starting with the working homeless and the response to that, and continuing with a sincere desire for labour camps for unruly people, puts into perspective a lot of the tone-policing from the Tories on here.
Probably 500 a month minimum for a room, 1st month upfront + 6/8 weeks rent as a deposit means you need at least about 1200 up front to rent a room. If you don't have that kind of money saved up the only option you have is a hostel, plus even reference checks will look at your job and if you're zero hours you'll find it tough to be accepted.
Being poor is expensive.
Who was it in this thread telling me Brexit wasn't about racism or xenophobia?
Zero contract hour job means that one week he may work 12 hours, the next week 0, the next 40.
Sometimes (and I suspect this is what happens to him) they're hired through a third-party/agency, and their managers will send everyone a text early in the morning and the first x amount who reply back will get the get a shift that day, sometimes you won't hear anything for days.
There's no guarantee that you will work any number of hours, that's why it's called a zero-hour contract.
Because of this some landlords wont give you a room if you work a zero-hour contract because they know that your hours are inconsistent therefore you run the risk of being late on rent. In a city like london where demand severely outweighs supply, landlords will always prefer renting to tenants who can pay more regularly.
So yes, he has a job but he doesn't have regular earnings, he's not guaranteed to earn anything at all - meaning a hostel is the most realistic option, but he probably sleeps rough often too.
Plus he earns 8.25 an hour in london.
So even if he worked 8 hours a day 5x a week £400 rent would be about 40% of his net income, before you take travel, food, bills & other costs into account
How would he even save up for a deposit, and 2 months up front? Plus all the ridiculous admin fees
Yeah the problem is the initial cost. Plus, it’s easy when the numbers are put in front of you, but practically saving in that situation is difficult.
That's why I'm fecking asking! Good grief, I said don't throw your hands in the air and that's exactly what you did.
Take a leaf out of @BarcaSpurs book and don't be so obtuse.
The real question to be asked is - is society a better/safer place now, than it was say 60 or 70 years ago? Is it more or less violent?; is there more or less crime?; is there more or less antisocial behaviour?; and so on.
This parking space costs £500 per calendar month
https://www.rightmove.co.uk/property-to-rent/property-71397457.html
That’s Pert
I live around Maidstone which is 16 miles from the M26, and 30 miles from inner London
I pay £850 a month for my 3 bedroom house, but that was very cheap in this area. Most 3 beds are £1100 plus around here.
My friend from London pays £850 pcm for his 1 bedroom studio in London (can't remember where). Have a look on right move but I think the min for a 1 bed flat share is about £500-£600
If this is true, and he doesn't come out smelling roses tonight, hopefully people take notice and the others on the podium drive home that he's a coward.
My labourer friend can earn good money for months at a time, but then be out of work for month, but he saves for the inevitable dead periods. He hates living in a room, but it's still better than a hostel.
I have another friend who works in a well know coffee shop chain, but his problem was more than he had to work early shifts on a Sunday which did not suit him, but seems to have worked things out now and doesn't have to do it anymore. Again, he has respectable accommodation and is looking forward to his family coming over from Slovakia to see him.
I think that if you are a good reliable worker, your hours are likely to be regular almost like a full time job. It's not an ideal situation, but the coffee shop guy is the sort who will find himself in a permanent position sooner or later.
This parking space costs £500 per calendar month
https://www.rightmove.co.uk/property-to-rent/property-71397457.html
That's Belgravia
But zero hours are good because people can choose their own hours. The truth of it is that if someone turns down hours for a lot of companies that run zero hours they don't get offered hours.
Incredibly expensive.
But people would rather defend billionaires.
Absolutely.
It's great that these people in your personal anecdotal stories have 'found a way' of surviving the ever-growing poverty in this country.
However the statistics are there for a reason, over 50% of the homeless actually have a job, and over 6 million people employed are classified as living in poverty.
Your friends not being a part of that doesn't make these statistics go away, and it illustrates a very clear disconnect of the problem facing the poorest in society.
Even if 'you are a good reliable worker' and you can get a job as a labourer, or in a coffee shop - someone is still going to have to be a security guard, or a mcdonalds worker, or a street cleaner and do all these shitty jobs that nobody else wants to because they pay so poorly.
That doesn't mean they deserve to be homeless, nor should their character be an indicator of exactly how much they should earn.
This parking space costs £500 per calendar month
https://www.rightmove.co.uk/property-to-rent/property-71397457.html
You can spend £15m on a property in London and not even get a parking space.
Any streams to watch the debate outside the UK?
Whats being debated outside the UK?
I predicted that your "I'm just trying to understand guys" post would be followed up by something like this.
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