I have to ask though, why would anyone give Irving the benefit of the doubt considering he's notoriously agenda-driven?
UK General Election - 12th December 2019 | Con 365, Lab 203, LD 11, SNP 48, Other 23 - Tory Majority of 80
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I think at 20 you're old enough not to be dabbling with holocaust denial.
I don't get it. Isn't he talking about your typical down an outs who are making life hell for normal working people on the estate? Not a bad idea!
Who knows, I've only got a vague recollection of the name from years ago. These quotes in themselves just don't seem particularly bad.
I think if someone wants to go and research the holocaust to make sure for themselves that it happened that's fine. If they come up with any conclusion other than that it did, they are either stupid or have an agenda.
Irving's well-liked in Holocaust denial circles since he's seen as legitimising their views.
Yes, forced labour is a great idea.
You think forced labour camps are a...good idea?
All the juicy Raab ones were fake, the Northern Monkey one and the Tory-Brexit Party pact ones, and obvious ones at that for anyone with a computer background. I got Jolyon Maugham to delete his tweets based on them, shocking lack of due diligence on his part. The £1000 tea was confirmed as a real DM, but was a charitable donation. There's one account that does appear to publishing real ones, but nothing very interesting amongst them so far.
I think he's joking. In an ideal world nuisance neighbours would end up in forced labour
I'm making the comparison of levels of media coverage for this Tory candidate compared with if it was a Labour candidate.
I'm sure he's a horrible bloke, and it seems like he's rightly spent time in prison in Austria. I believe it is possible that a horrible bloke with completely misguided views can however have made some findings that are relevant, I don't know because I've not read him. However that seems to be 20 year old Houghton's point. (I emphasise the age as who knows whether Houghton still holds the same views now.)
I think he's joking. In an ideal world nuisance neighbours would end up in forced labour
What evidence is there to say he's joking?
Its front page on a Scottish newspaper (that seems to be very pro SNP). I imagine other papers haven't picked it up because they, like me, don't judge this to be a story.
Just a typical tongue in cheek aggressive stance when it comes to knob heads. Would it be such a bad idea to put them in tents? If they can't live within a normal society why should I care about them?
Those other papers most definitely would judge it to be a story if it was a Labour candidate under Corbyn.
Yes, that betrays some amount of anti-semitism. Just saying "I'm not defending David Irving's views" doesn't mean anything when he's clearly defending David Irving's views. And those views are indefensible. Everyone should be able to recognize that at the age of 20. And while the comments themselves might not be anti-semitic, using that kind of language when talking about David Irving is revealing.
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Do you not feel that such people may act like that people they've grown up disadvantaged and don't have anything better to do with their lives? Where there's social deprivation should we not aim to help those people instead of, err, confining them to slavery?
You don't think it's a story that a candidate is flirting, at the very least, with actual Holocaust denial?
It should be a bigger story I think - that said the reality is that with the leaders debate, the banks twitter stuff (and the fake banks twitter stuff) it probably wont get the media traction it should
im not entirely sure about kantar as a pollster - but this was done in the last few days and if this not a massive outlier then labour are in trouble as it looks like the brexit vote has mostly gone back to the conservatives
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im not entirely sure about kantar as a pollster - but this was done in the last few days and if this not a massive outlier then labour are in trouble as it looks like the brexit vote has mostly gone back to the conservatives
im not entirely sure about kantar as a pollster - but this was done in the last few days and if this not a massive outlier then labour are in trouble as it looks like the brexit vote has mostly gone back to the conservatives
Me neither but that background is more than a bit of a clue
But he's not. He's saying that a holocaust denier did some good history work. This may be code for Houghton himself being an actual holocaust denier, but its not what he's saying in this instance.
im not entirely sure about kantar as a pollster - but this was done in the last few days and if this not a massive outlier then labour are in trouble as it looks like the brexit vote has mostly gone back to the conservatives
The equivalent Kantar poll in 2017 at this stage was:-
Tory 47, Lab 29, Lib Dem 8.
The interesting poll for me is Survation who got it pretty close in 2017
However this was from 2 weeks ago this is a big from from 6 point lead to 14.
The burden of proof should clearly sit with the published author.
Ask a silly question...
I don't think we can glean much from the polls, they were all very wrong last time except for the Survation one as mentioned. I believe that one did use a different methodology, but who's to say whether the methodology worked correctly or if it was just the most accurate of many by sheer luck.
I also question whether the polls are intended to reflect voter opinion or influence voters. That Kantar one looks incredibly dodgy when looking at the percentage of votes by age they expect compared to last election
I also question whether the polls are intended to reflect voter opinion or influence voters. That Kantar one looks incredibly dodgy when looking at the percentage of votes by age they expect compared to last election
Might be a blip... But if a few polls start to show the same (basically the brexit vote migrating straight to the conservatives) then that's not good for labour
Though I would also guess that brexit not standing in conservative areas may imply some of that national share will more likley translate to bigger majorities then necessarily winning seats they don't currently hold
I doubt she going to get on the cafe to debate you. How about you just point out why her argument is wrong. All you done at the moment is called the argument a straw man and refused to engaged in anything else.
If this is the level you going to put in, then just don't reply to my post in the first place. Just think of all the time we both could have saved.
The ''gammons'' are back.
They weren't necessarily wrong though, they overestimated the Tory lead but Labour were clearly far behind at the start of the election and made up a lot of ground. And anyway, even though the Survation one was correct Labour still ultimately lost the election. Only their surprise improvement and the curbing of a Tory majority stopped it from being a poor result.
Spare me the affront. Disproving three statements of those types was obviously not happening on a football site’s sub-forum where the typical post is 5 sentences long. It’s hardly the place to post a 5000 word essay in response, which you know full well and was the reason you replied as you did. After all you could also have engaged with the statement yourself, but chose not to and went with the tiresome act of shifting the burden of proof. I just bounced it straight back at you.
So your not going to engage with the argument in the article because it would take you too long ? Well I guess you've shown her.
But seriously for both our sakes, please don't ever reply back to my posts again.
Just taken a look at the most recent 10 polls on Britain elects
Kantar is the outlier but not by much and certainly in the margin of error
Last ten polls all give conservative a lead
Yougov +17
Kantar +18
ICM +10
Survation +14
Deltapoll +15
BMG +8
Opinium+16
Yougov +17
Comres +8
Panel base +13
Average +13.6 so probably with margin for error something around +11 to +16
Certainly not seeing the collapse yet
The next few weeks should tell how much of the last swing was down to Corbyn the campaigner and the policies and how much down to a malfunctioning maybot (though Boris could go off script tonight and stuff up his chances every time he opens his mouth)
I'm not taking sides but that is the point of the ignore button.
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