It won't be taken seriously, Warsi has been banging her head against a wall for years now.
UK General Election - 12th December 2019 | Con 365, Lab 203, LD 11, SNP 48, Other 23 - Tory Majority of 80
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It won't be taken seriously, Warsi has been banging her head against a wall for years now.
BJ will come out on top I think. It looks like this is a Brexit election and to enough of the electorate Boris has a credible direction of travel whilst Jez is in absence of one. Boris will keep bringing the debate back to this single point and Jez will be isolated.
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It'll be low quality. Fans of Corbyn will like what Corbyn says, fans of Boris will like what Boris says, but the majority of people will probably just feel depressed. Unless there's a major gaff from someone (which is more likely to come from Boris than Corbyn I would guess) I don't expect it to change that many minds.
I expect it’ll be garbage, but it has to be viewed by Corbyn as a massive chance to change the tide. He’s got to go for broke if he wants to win this election, I think the general public opinion of him is low enough that he needs the tv debates to change it. Johnson, on the other hand, just has to not feck up too bad. No guarantee of that though
I think so too. A draw is no good to Labour. Well it's early enough in the campaign to get away with one now but at some time Labour has change things or they're out.
I think it’s because there’s a general feeling of disenfranchisement with the whole thing, and if it stays that way with the public uninterested then things will fall with a Tory majority. Corbyn has to get people engaged with his vision and the tv debates have to be the way (as let’s be honest, he won’t get the support from the rest of the media)
I'm actually hoping Labour go boring tonight rather than trying to present themselves as radical. There's a huge bulk of people put off voting Tory by Boris so you need to let him embarrass himself and put a simple pitch out. Yes his idiocy is priced in but those on the fence don't like it.
Labour whether they like it or not need the Lib Dems to gain seats too so its as much about ensuring those thinking of swinging to Lib Dem actually do so.
Labour whether they like it or not need the Lib Dems to gain seats too so its as much about ensuring those thinking of swinging to Lib Dem actually do so.
It will be a massive waste if Corbyn doesn't come out the clear winner. Not necessarily because I think he's really gonna change that many minds, but for the fact that he actually has policies, ideas and principles that are good for the vast majority of the country. Johnson has absolutely nothing to offer, so Corbyn should feel extremely disappointed in himself if he can't beat that
Highly likely. Boris is viewed by some as having charisma but Jeremy has no charisma at all.
His only hope is that Boris continues to believe in his own publicity and makes a few mistakes and scores a few own goals.
Jeremy will be his usual self, keeping cool but boring.
We will learn nothing we didn't already know.
It will be an anticlimax.
That's the problem with Jeremy, no matter how strong his points are he's very poor at delivering them with charisma and conviction. Like in comedy, to make it land, it's three quarters in the delivery and presentation.
There is literally no scenario that could possibly happen where Corbyn will be viewed as the winner by anything other than a small minority of left leaning journalists.
Corbyn could have the audience on their feet in unanimous ovation with Boris blubbering on the floor completely lost for words and Kuessenberg would use it to compare Corbyn to Stalin and describe Johnson’s behaviour as the raw outburst of emotion of a man desperately fighting for the population he loves to serve so selflessly.
Corbyn could have the audience on their feet in unanimous ovation with Boris blubbering on the floor completely lost for words and Kuessenberg would use it to compare Corbyn to Stalin and describe Johnson’s behaviour as the raw outburst of emotion of a man desperately fighting for the population he loves to serve so selflessly.
Personally, I think these TV debates are shite and prove nothing.
When they first started this nonsense, the LibDems told a pack of lies, enabling them to win a load of extra seats and giving them a way into Government via the coalition.
It's only got worse since then. Who wants to see a load of Question Time audience refugees ask a load of inane questions whilst 2 party leaders spout various amounts of bullshit.
Corbyn supporters will like everything he says, Johnson supporters will like everything he says and those in the middle will be none the wiser, reinforcing that they still haven't got a clue who to vote for.
When they first started this nonsense, the LibDems told a pack of lies, enabling them to win a load of extra seats and giving them a way into Government via the coalition.
It's only got worse since then. Who wants to see a load of Question Time audience refugees ask a load of inane questions whilst 2 party leaders spout various amounts of bullshit.
Corbyn supporters will like everything he says, Johnson supporters will like everything he says and those in the middle will be none the wiser, reinforcing that they still haven't got a clue who to vote for.
They don't have to be terrible though. Look at what they used to have:
One can disagree with Edward Heath or Michael Foot but no one can say the discourse wasn't on an entirely different level than:
One can disagree with Edward Heath or Michael Foot but no one can say the discourse wasn't on an entirely different level than:
There is a reason Johnson was kept out of sight in the Conservative election campaign. I actually think he's going to be found out tonight. He waffles complete drivel without substance and the way he delivers with constant pauses between words as his brain tries to formulate sentences is so, so painful.
This isn't about me being a Labour supporter either. There are plenty of Conservatives that can articular and deliver a message infinitely better than Boris, but they're not going to be on the stage.
This isn't about me being a Labour supporter either. There are plenty of Conservatives that can articular and deliver a message infinitely better than Boris, but they're not going to be on the stage.
Boris will act like a total arsehole but the media will make it look like he won for all the people who didn't watch it, which will be the majority of voters.
They may not be ideal but It's better than just seeing Boris do his social media videos where lies go completely unopposed and unchallenged.
There needs to be some mechanism for direct scrutiny especially with a PM who refuses to sit before committees.
Saying that I'm sure the audience and their questions will infuriate me. I'd much rather they get some kind of industry experts rather than Gammon who demand we nuke everyone.
What I don't get about Boris is that his academic records suggests he is highly intelligent (Kings Scholarship at Eton and scholarship at Balliol, Oxford and got a 2:1, despite what you lot think, you can't actually buy those). I just don't get why he acts like a complete and utter dunderhead, it's neither big nor clever. You may not like the likes of Rees-Mogg or Gove, but their ability to get over a point in an intelligible an intelligent manner is unquestionable.
Being good at academics doesn't mean you have a sound idea on how a country should be run, or how good you might be at public speaking.
All the people you named are still closed minded bellends, likely because of their rapsheet you just named.
Because his buffoon act is all a deliberate ploy. Boris isn’t an innate fool, he just puts on a cunning, ‘lovable’ act that deflects any notion of debate and allows the media and public to fallback on the whole “oh it’s just Boris being Boris” angle. It also helps people momentarily forget about the nasty, excessively privileged aura that hovers over the Tory party. And depressingly it works all too well - it’s the reason he managed to win the London mayoral election as a Tory, twice.
Watch him go at it tonight - the second Corbyn attempts to flag any uncomfortable talking point for him or the Tories he’ll revert to his usual circus act, responding with jester insults, cue laughs and applause from the audience.
Doesn't seem to make his lies any better either.
McDonnell coming out with lots of business-friendly ideas at the moment, so many I can't keep up with them. Should be very helpful for Corbyn tonight.
I'm not joking here, this is the road to facism, and it's a pretty direct route:
This exactly.
If anyone is still unaware of Jeremy Vines tale about BJs clown act at various awards ceremony read here, https://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2019/06/my-boris-story/
Labour overall majority is now 42/1 on Betfair. The fat lady's warming up.
It's disturbing, but bias is plainly evident all over. Bizarre to think that the BBC is super-left, pro-remain in its coverage too.
You have actually completely missed the point of my post.
Boris will do well at playing to his base support... he'll throw the usual soundbites 'get Brexit done'. Several lies about how much they will spend on public services and housing. He'll be sure to get some anti-immigration stuff in there too. The 'points based' system he mentions which will poll well with the older "I'm not racist but..." contingent.
Are you familiar with mental illness and its many forms?
You think he's a looney?
She’s so fecking thick.
Oh piss off with that.
didnt he say he voted remain before ... im not sure its a viable option to say he lied about that
It wasn't me who started it!
My reply was in relation to this part too:
I don't think either know how to get a point over in an intelligent manner.
well boris has pretty much laid out his debate strategy which will be to ask these 4 points over and over again
I mean Jesus Christ
well boris has pretty much laid out his debate strategy which will be to ask these 4 points over and over again
I hope so because those would be a poor set of attack lines. Apart from the EU budget question i think the answers are already in the public domain and we already know the budget cost but more importantly the governments own figures on what benefit that brings.
Nice to see he can sign his name!
Yeah mental illness does not equate to being a loony as a general note.
Aren't the answers
1. wont tell you
2. have to wait and see
3. that will form part of the negotiation that i wont tell you about in point 1
4. none of your business
I'm not entirely sure that will do much to help corbyn but i guess we will see in a few hours
will be interesting to see if either can get under the others skin and wind them up - I think their dislike for each other is pretty genuine but letting that boil to the surface would (I think) play badly
Have you guys heard about #ArronBanksLeaks?
Apparently someone has hacked his Twitter and is leaking his private DM's.
Apparently someone has hacked his Twitter and is leaking his private DM's.
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