UK General Election - 12th December 2019 | Con 365, Lab 203, LD 11, SNP 48, Other 23 - Tory Majority of 80

How do you intend to vote in the 2019 General Election if eligible?

  • Brexit Party

    Votes: 30 4.3%
  • Conservatives

    Votes: 73 10.6%
  • DUP

    Votes: 5 0.7%
  • Green

    Votes: 23 3.3%
  • Labour

    Votes: 355 51.4%
  • Liberal Democrats

    Votes: 58 8.4%
  • Plaid Cymru

    Votes: 3 0.4%
  • Sinn Fein

    Votes: 9 1.3%
  • SNP

    Votes: 19 2.8%
  • UKIP

    Votes: 6 0.9%
  • Independent

    Votes: 1 0.1%
  • Other (BNP, Change UK, UUP and anyone else that I have forgotten)

    Votes: 10 1.4%
  • Not voting

    Votes: 57 8.3%
  • Undecided

    Votes: 41 5.9%

  • Total voters
    690
  • Poll closed .
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How is this at all hard to understand? I want EVERYONE who can, to pay more tax. The only reason I don't have money left over is because I've made the choice to use it for charitable donations. I have no idea if the charity I'm choosing is the best use of that money. I'm not in a good position to choose where my money gets distributed. The government is.


Which government is that then ??

Surely not the one that 90% of the people posting on this thread think are beyond contempt ??

Choose your charity, one from which you will personally benefit ( not a Donkey Sanctuary ! ) and then donate if that's your thing.

Because relying or expecting ANY government to spend money wisely is like waiting for rain to fall upwards.

Both Frau FBR and myself have suffered and ( hopefully ) have survived serious cancers the past couple of years - we now donate about € 250 per month to four different cancer charities because ( 1 ) we felt humbled by the treatment and care we received ( 2 ) we will need even more and even more advanced treatment that is still in its experimental stage if it returns and ( 3 ) I don't believe for one second that if we gave that € 250 to the government ( either donations or increased taxes ) ANY of it would find its way into cancer research.
 

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Leave off of Colin - political alignment is not necessarily a choice. He may not be able to help being born with a more right-wing brain than you or I, just as I cannot help being born straight.

Leave off of Shamwow - we are all flawed.
 
With due respect to any LibDem voters on here, but you almost deserve the piss being taken on your behalf by the opposition.

But maybe now everyone will stop thinking that it was Soros who was funding him and providing a flat for him in Central London


https://www.independent.co.uk/news/...b-dem-election-steve-bray-wales-a9200586.html


Maybe if you form the next government you see a need him as the Minister for Government Communications ??
 
The Labour policy sounds absolutely fine to me. It's drastic, yes, and it's a sad position for our country to be after years of the rich getting richer and the poor getting poorer, but not only will my family still be safe after this policy but the lives of thousands of others less fortunate will be as well. If that sounds unappetising to some people then I'm sorry but I really don't give a flying shit on a stick.

but this policy won’t stop the rich getting richer and the poor getting poorer, just people in the middle getting poorer.
 
yeah.
This is the same stuff that is being posted in the US election thread.

These Centrist do nothing for working people.

What have the centrists ever done
Minimum wage.... Well yeah obviousley
Investment in the NHS.... Ok that
Increasing university numbers.... Goes without saying
900000+ pensioners taken out of poverty... Fair enough
40000+ new teachers... Yeah ok I'll give you that
Introducing civil partnerships... And that
Overachieving Kyoto targets... Well of course
Decreased homelessness by over 70%... Yeah I suppose
Free prescriptions for cancer patients... Hummm admittedly
Free nursery care for 3 and 4 year olds... Yes yes
Ban on grammar schools... Ok
Reduced youth unemployment by 75%... Allright
Record low a+e waiting times... Yeah but other than that what did the centrists ever do...

Achieved a lot more than Corbyn ever has because he understood the basic premise that you had to win power to implement policies
 
Why? We're not going to get charged more tax in the next month or so, so why not donate that money you'd be happy to pay on more taxes to a charity of your choice? If income tax is increased in the future, you can then stop giving the excess to a charity as you're now paying the income tax you wanted to previously.
It's short termism because you're only looking in monthly increments. Over 10, 20, 50 years - Why dilute the stategic spending power of a nation into lots of small charities?

What if not enough people donate to a particular charity sector over the next 10 years? Would you let these sectors stagnate? What if some of these sectors are actually vital for society to function? It's ridiculous.
 
What have the centrists ever done
Minimum wage.... Well yeah obviousley
Investment in the NHS.... Ok that
Increasing university numbers.... Goes without saying
900000+ pensioners taken out of poverty... Fair enough
40000+ new teachers... Yeah ok I'll give you that
Introducing civil partnerships... And that
Overachieving Kyoto targets... Well of course
Decreased homelessness by over 70%... Yeah I suppose
Free prescriptions for cancer patients... Hummm admittedly
Free nursery care for 3 and 4 year olds... Yes yes
Ban on grammar schools... Ok
Reduced youth unemployment by 75%... Allright
Record low a+e waiting times... Yeah but other than that what did the centrists ever do...

Achieved a lot more than Corbyn ever has because he understood the basic premise that you had to win power to implement policies
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What have the centrists ever done
Minimum wage.... Well yeah obviousley
Investment in the NHS.... Ok that
Increasing university numbers.... Goes without saying
900000+ pensioners taken out of poverty... Fair enough
40000+ new teachers... Yeah ok I'll give you that
Introducing civil partnerships... And that
Overachieving Kyoto targets... Well of course
Decreased homelessness by over 70%... Yeah I suppose
Free prescriptions for cancer patients... Hummm admittedly
Free nursery care for 3 and 4 year olds... Yes yes
Ban on grammar schools... Ok
Reduced youth unemployment by 75%... Allright
Record low a+e waiting times... Yeah but other than that what did the centrists ever do...

Achieved a lot more than Corbyn ever has because he understood the basic premise that you had to win power to implement policies

I assume you are not voting Labour.
So you are voting the Lib/Dem Centrists...the same ones that were "whipped" into voting with the Torys?
 
Guess the new candidate will be a Pulitzer winner, and first politician on the moon.
 
I assume you are not voting Labour.
So you are voting the Lib/Dem Centrists...the same ones that were "whipped" into voting with the Torys?
Actually I'm not sure who I'm voting for... Libs are certainly an option as I'd like to vote for a party committed to remain... But I'll chat to a local independent the green candidate and the libs before finally making up mind
But yeah I want to vote to somebody committed to keeping the UK in the EU so it certainly won't be labour
 
Which government is that then ??

Surely not the one that 90% of the people posting on this thread think are beyond contempt ??

Choose your charity, one from which you will personally benefit ( not a Donkey Sanctuary ! ) and then donate if that's your thing.

Because relying or expecting ANY government to spend money wisely is like waiting for rain to fall upwards.

Both Frau FBR and myself have suffered and ( hopefully ) have survived serious cancers the past couple of years - we now donate about € 250 per month to four different cancer charities because ( 1 ) we felt humbled by the treatment and care we received ( 2 ) we will need even more and even more advanced treatment that is still in its experimental stage if it returns and ( 3 ) I don't believe for one second that if we gave that € 250 to the government ( either donations or increased taxes ) ANY of it would find its way into cancer research.

Congratulations and regards to you both for surviving the cancers.

Are you not a fan of the NHS at all then? I see a lot of benefit of my taxes around me and want there to be more of it personally.

By the way I'm not against charities at all but I think there is a massively important role for a national government to distribute funds and plan blah blah blah in a way that charities cant, even with the incredibly flawed and shit Tories in charge.

(And no I didn't mean that one, I meant the other one)
 
I assume you are not voting Labour.
So you are voting the Lib/Dem Centrists...the same ones that were "whipped" into voting with the Torys?
The Lib Dems are economically closer to the Tories.

But never let it be said that wasn't a mistake.
 
May I suggest that not a single one of any of you lots prejudiced preconceived ideas about me is correct.

Just because I abhor socialism in all its forms, doesn't make me a right wing, Brexit Nazi, in fact you couldn't possibly be further from the truth.

feck knows who passionate remain voters are supposed to vote for to stop this fecking mess. The lLibdems are as much a bunch of clueless clowns as any of the rest of them.

Can't we bring back John Major, his greyness was somehow comforting.

What do you mean by in all its forms?
 
May I suggest that not a single one of any of you lots prejudiced preconceived ideas about me is correct.

Just because I abhor socialism in all its forms, doesn't make me a right wing, Brexit Nazi, in fact you couldn't possibly be further from the truth.

feck knows who passionate remain voters are supposed to vote for to stop this fecking mess. The lLibdems are as much a bunch of clueless clowns as any of the rest of them.

Can't we bring back John Major, his greyness was somehow comforting.

You have the logical thinking of a mentally challenged fish. Dory makes more sense than you.

Labour is the only choice if you want to remain.

Its the only way this country is going to get a referendum.

All other roads that get Boris a majority lead to Brexit.

If you're as deluded as Jo Swinson to think Lib Dems have some sort of chance, you might as well put your name down on the ballot paper. You've just about as much chance of becoming prime minister.
 
A Labour held seat that even the lib dem leaning Best for Britain says should be a Labour tactical vote.

Maybe they're hoping this will send a message to any other Lib Dem candidates looking to put remain before party.
It's staggering how bad the remain campaign has been from start to finish. Swinson is a moron putting party politics above Brexit.
 
Congratulations and regards to you both for surviving the cancers.

Are you not a fan of the NHS at all then? I see a lot of benefit of my taxes around me and want there to be more of it personally.

By the way I'm not against charities at all but I think there is a massively important role for a national government to distribute funds and plan blah blah blah in a way that charities cant, even with the incredibly flawed and shit Tories in charge.

(And no I didn't mean that one, I meant the other one)


Thanks.

Haven't worked in the UK since the late 1970s and left full time in the early 1980s but still admire and would fight for the NHS as the best there is because it treats everyone the same and for ' free '.

It's only real drawback, as I see it, is that the choice of treatment and quality of treatment is left to the NHS itself to decide for each individual needing its help and asistance and varies from GP to GP, from hospital to hospital, and from hospital to hospital even in the same city. And if you live in, say, Manchester, it's difficult to get / have an NHS operation at a hospital in, say, Bristol, which might have a better set of Doctors and Specialists and specialise in the treatment you need more than the staff and hospital in Manchester.

@Paul the Wolf might have a different view, but in the absence of an NHS equivalent I'm reasonably OK with how the system works down here - basically free for those that can't afford the equivalent of private health insurance, but the insurance is normal for most employed people and now costs us two about € 270 per month because of the treatments last year and the year before. Not too sure how that compares with NHS costs these days because I don't think anyone can accurately work out how much their individual contributions to the NHS are as it's all wrapped up in total PAYE and NIC without specific identification of the amount going to the NHS.

On the other hand, for that we have almost 100% choice in all medical treatments - where, when, and by whom, from GP to outpatient treatment to complicated and complex surgery while the NHS doesn't always give that choice.

By the way....The French Health System is just as dependent on ' Imported ' medical staff as the NHS, and mostly from Eastern and Southern Europe and Nth Africa.
 
So basically, Farage is likely to end up as kingmaker, should the Tories hold on to near enough all the seats they had last time, and his Brexit Party manages to win some from Labour? Johnson will need the BP for a majority. We are fecked.
 
So basically, Farage is likely to end up as kingmaker, should the Tories hold on to near enough all the seats they had last time, and his Brexit Party manages to win some from Labour? Johnson will need the BP for a majority. We are fecked.
I'm not sure brexit party will get any seats ... But of they did get one or two and that was enough to swing the balance then potentially... But I do wonder if let's say Richard tice won and Nigel isn't an MP then wouldn't tice just take over as leader anyway
Not that he's any better than farrage but without a seat farrage becomes less relavant pretty quick (remember when carswell was a ukip MP that didn't work well)
Currently don't think they will get any seats and I wouldn't be surprised to see them stand down in another tranche of seats before Thursday to focus on perhaps 20 constituiences
 
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