UK General Election - 12th December 2019 | Con 365, Lab 203, LD 11, SNP 48, Other 23 - Tory Majority of 80

How do you intend to vote in the 2019 General Election if eligible?

  • Brexit Party

    Votes: 30 4.3%
  • Conservatives

    Votes: 73 10.6%
  • DUP

    Votes: 5 0.7%
  • Green

    Votes: 23 3.3%
  • Labour

    Votes: 355 51.4%
  • Liberal Democrats

    Votes: 58 8.4%
  • Plaid Cymru

    Votes: 3 0.4%
  • Sinn Fein

    Votes: 9 1.3%
  • SNP

    Votes: 19 2.8%
  • UKIP

    Votes: 6 0.9%
  • Independent

    Votes: 1 0.1%
  • Other (BNP, Change UK, UUP and anyone else that I have forgotten)

    Votes: 10 1.4%
  • Not voting

    Votes: 57 8.3%
  • Undecided

    Votes: 41 5.9%

  • Total voters
    690
  • Poll closed .
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Gone 5am is a decent time to call it. I've mostly lurked on the thread because to be honest I'd rather not get into the political cut and thrust on the caf. For me it's clear there are a multitude of factors at play in Labour's awful election. Brexit (and the party's messy journey towards an imperfect position) and Corbyn's leadership are paramount but I'd also add
a general failure to get the Labour vote out in numbers outside of big cities and some nasty ideological factionalism that has by all accounts been going on behind the scenes since 2016. There have been various ructions about democracy in the party (trigger ballots, elected General Sec. etc.) but as with anti-semitism what proportion of blame Corbyn personally should cop for it is open to debate, which is why I feel it deserves a separate mention. Also a mention must go to the failure to get decent tactics in place between Labour, Lib Dems and Greens in certain seats, which would by no means have avoided the Tory majority but would have at least spared us the disgraceful spectacle of the Tories sneaking in in the same constituency as the Grenfell tower disaster.

Overall a complete mess for Labour (I've just seen Dennis Skinner lose by more than 5,000 votes for Christ's sake) and I would guess a long road back, which will be most painful for the most vulnerable in our society with Boris's Tories in full control.
that is extremely damning for Labour for that to happen
 
With the Tories looking to have gained a clear majority it looks like DUP has lost its leverage, right?
Yeah, they screwed May over for a worse deal for them, no power in government and Dodds losing his seat.
 
that is extremely damning for Labour for that to happen

the grenfell seat is a much wider problem it ended with labs and cons at around 40% each and libs on 20, having made a gain of 10!
i clicked through random constituencies and, after all that noise, the failure of tactical voting is quite mind-boggling.
 
All the deluded noises from momentum and corbyn and thornberry must be pretty terrifying for all sane labour members.
Yes. Sure Brexit has played a big role but let's not beat around the bush.
 
Hugely disappointing night, I'm not hopeful of what the next 5 years of Tory rule brings with it. Looks like it'll be a full parliamentary term aswell with such a healthy majority.

The only positives I can take are that with such a heavy defeat Labour really needs to look at itself and hopefully begin the process of becoming electable once more. As Campbell said by the time the next election comes around it'll be 50 years since anybody other than Blair has won an election for Labour. There's a reason for that and rather than remaining ideologically pure and unelectable they need to accept the political realities of the country they seek to govern. I'll be renewing my Labour membership so I can vote in the Leadership Elections when it comes around, and hopefully it can be the start of a long road back to a Labour government. Wishful thinking perhaps, but without hope it is just despair.
 
Im surprised so many working class areas voted conservstive, talk about shooting yourself in foot.
So many parts of Greater Manchester have gone Tory, it’s absolutely wild.
These places are hurt by the Tory’s more than most, and seemingly don’t care as long as we leave the EU. :nervous:
 
I have warned you. Trosky is not PM material. People just don't want him
 
Hugely disappointing night, I'm not hopeful of what the next 5 years of Tory rule brings with it. Looks like it'll be a full parliamentary term aswell with such a healthy majority.

The only positives I can take are that with such a heavy defeat Labour really needs to look at itself and hopefully begin the process of becoming electable once more. As Campbell said by the time the next election comes around it'll be 50 years since anybody other than Blair has won an election for Labour. There's a reason for that and rather than remaining ideologically pure and unelectable they need to accept the political realities of the country they seek to govern. I'll be renewing my Labour membership so I can vote in the Leadership Elections when it comes around, and hopefully it can be the start of a long road back to a Labour government. Wishful thinking perhaps.
Who would you like to see as Labour leader?
 
that is extremely damning for Labour for that to happen

Aye, it's a mixed constituency with some very well-heeled people but there are nearly 10,000 'progressive' votes doing bugger all while a Tory nips in by 150. As you've pointed out Dewsbury was another close one with the Greens and Lib Dems sat on nearly three and a half thou. I feel for all the smaller parties, particularly the Greens, in FPTP but given your stated aims as a party you've got to play the game instead of letting Tories in left and right.

Anyway, definitely time for bed now.
 
FFS:lol:
Philips?, Long Bailey? Starmer?, Thornberry? McDonnell?, Gardiner? Cooper?, Lammy?, Butler?, McDonald?

Most of those are uninspiring I think. As I say, I think Cooper could do well, and I think Raynor has done well in this election whenever I've seen her. RLB is just a bit dull, much like Corbyn and doesn't really inspire. Going to be an interesting few months in the Labour Party anyway, it could well get very nasty.
 
Has Corbyn said whether he will resign

He's said he won't lead the party into the next election, but will stay on whilst the party reflects on the election and how it should move forward (i.e. he wants to ensure the party remains ideologically where it is and does not shift).
 
Yeah but not immediately. Said he won't lead Labour into the next election but will take a period of reflection first.

What period of reflection exactly? He ruined the labour party.
 
So many parts of Greater Manchester have gone Tory, it’s absolutely wild.
These places are hurt by the Tory’s more than most, and seemingly don’t care as long as we leave the EU. :nervous:

Absolute madness, they've always said the poor are the easiest people to con. Im beginning to think its true.
 
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