Yeah I think Raynor wouldn't be a bad choice.
Labour 'civil war' between Momentum and non momentum whilst the Conservatives enjoy a majority
UK General Election - 12th December 2019 | Con 365, Lab 203, LD 11, SNP 48, Other 23 - Tory Majority of 80
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Labour 'civil war' between Momentum and non momentum whilst the Conservatives enjoy a majority
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Is this meant as a joke? Because obviously when we're losing so many constituencies in the North we have to look at why and they'll tell you that New Labour did feck all for them.
This isn’t true.
That people in the north think Blair did feck all?
New Labour went 10 years ago?! They have gone because of Corbyn and his abysmal leadership since 2017, specifically his disastrous handling of Brexit.
I suppose its ironic but if Labour had helped May's WA pass we might not be here.
I live in the North. Whilst New Labour weren’t perfect a lot of people appreciate the amount they did and the amount they invested in public services. No government is perfect and they should have done more, but there’s a reason New Labour won 3 elections in a row.
I'm not of a mind to ignore that. Corbyn clearly was a huge failure this election and people voted specifically against him. But if you don't think people's memory of what a Labour government actually does is relevant then you're being silly.
Would be farcical if Corbyn does not resign now.
He's already confirmed he'll stand down before another election.
Does reaffirm my view as a minority travelling around the UK - there's a lot of xenophobic views towards migrants/minorities behind the pro-Brexit vote. I've always felt a lot safer travelling around Spain than the UK, where a walk down the street in smaller white towns has often led to racial abuse.
Not helped at all by the Daily Mail, telegraph etc spewing their usual tripe. You see it with Maeghan Markle - nothing wrong with her but she's the absolutely detested by readers of the mail, victimised purely because she's a bit foreign. I guess that's what you get in a country where the sun and the daily mail have the highest readership, in the millions - the country overwhelmingly backing Brexit and a buffoon in Boris Johnson is no surprise.
Its not the sole reason for the election result but the trend towards the right and nationalism throughout the world does leave me uneasy.
Not helped at all by the Daily Mail, telegraph etc spewing their usual tripe. You see it with Maeghan Markle - nothing wrong with her but she's the absolutely detested by readers of the mail, victimised purely because she's a bit foreign. I guess that's what you get in a country where the sun and the daily mail have the highest readership, in the millions - the country overwhelmingly backing Brexit and a buffoon in Boris Johnson is no surprise.
Its not the sole reason for the election result but the trend towards the right and nationalism throughout the world does leave me uneasy.
Fantastic day. Nearly as good as the referendum.
Jo Swinson steps down as Lib Dem leader
That was all a load of horseshit by the media to make it exciting.
the bleed-off of votes started in 2001 (2.5%), was massive (5%) in 2005, and reached its nadir in 2010 (a further 6%, down to 29%, far lower than today's figure). accompanied by a steady decline in turnout.
thatcher, the other 3-termer, did not lose votes in a comparable way, and with her union-busting and houseownership, laid down the foundations for repeated wins, and for generations of committed voters.
i've already said that corbyn should resign (i said it in july when boris became leader - https://www.redcafe.net/threads/jer...you-say-epstein.409447/page-353#post-24483376). i've also said today that i'm skeptical that any momentum candidate can do better next time around with the stigma of corbyn.
the other parts of the party should similarly introspect on the lost votes of 2005 and the further lost votes and the lost elections on 2010 and 15.
fecking hell. Labour need to take a long hard look at their arrogant selvesPretty thin pickings for her successor as well... What is there 10 MPs
Ed Davey MP and Baroness Sal Brinton will take over as joint acting leaders of the Lib Dems, with a leadership election planned for the new year.
This country is filled with the absolute worst “people”.
I really hope this is the end for them.
Either you give a shit and you care about the poor in this country and the international damage of climate change, or you don't. This farcical middle position is designed for the kind of people who take selfies at the scenes of war crimes.
Oooooooohhhhhh Jeremey Corbyn....
He's only bloody gone and done it
203 MP's with 5 seats to declare
He's done worse than foot did in 1983
He's only bloody gone and done it
203 MP's with 5 seats to declare
He's done worse than foot did in 1983
My suspicion with you remains that you're actually not as much of a cnut as posts like this make you sound.
Didn't see that coming.
With hindsight Labour should have stuck to the same message as the Tories, signing the WA and getting "Brexit done".
Essentially the London liberal part of the country didn't understand they'd be destroyed in the North by pursuing further votes on it.
People had enough I guess.
With hindsight Labour should have stuck to the same message as the Tories, signing the WA and getting "Brexit done".
Essentially the London liberal part of the country didn't understand they'd be destroyed in the North by pursuing further votes on it.
People had enough I guess.
I had a grand at 8/1 that they would get the lowest number of seats since ww2
So I'm fairly please jezbollah worked his magic
I’ll give you £500 and we’ll split?
Tempting but I think I'll blow it on a new watch in the airport on my way back tonight
Because New Labour hadn't pissed off Scotland yet and lost them to the SNP?
I see. Apologies for doubting you.
Agreed. Scary times. Some parallels to around 100 years ago.
The common denominator is the right wing media and people ready to lap it up without question across many countries.
At least the DUP are now irrelevant.
Is there any data on the overall number of votes for each party?
I want to see how terrible first past the post actually is.
I want to see how terrible first past the post actually is.
He’s built a party no one likes full of politicians no one likes, pushing ideas and economic policies no one likes backed by unions and movements no one likes and it appears no one likes him either. Impressive and focused work.
It will be very interesting to see what Labour do now. Hopefully ridiculous and unsuitable creatures like McDonnell and Abbott are swept away and consigned to history along with Corbyn and a modern and realistic Labour Party emerge that really represents the working classes and are not just a Union / Momentum mouthpiece. I really hope they get it right, the country will need a strong and capable opposition now more than ever.
So what happens next? What do we think the tories are actually gonna do?
Britain wants Brexit at any cost. It’s that simple.
it's been good for tires and bad for libs. labour got roughly their voteshare.
the complication in uk is parties like SNP/PC/SF/DUP which stand only in certain regions, their vote totals need to be weighed accordingly. i think the bbc tracker had england-only totals.
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