Oh great, Sturgeon is on now. She's said Scotland about 20 times within the first minute, I kid you not. I'm off too.
UK General Election - 12th December 2019 | Con 365, Lab 203, LD 11, SNP 48, Other 23 - Tory Majority of 80
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Oh great, Sturgeon is on now. She's said Scotland about 20 times within the first minute, I kid you not. I'm off too.
They only gained what they’d lost to the kippers from 2015. People went to kippers then and Conservatives won a majority. Kippers collapsed and people went back to their own parties in 2017. Brexit was the factor for all of this, it cannot be denied. It couldn’t be brushed under the carpet because the people voting for it were duped to unbelievable inception levels and have made the EU scapegoat for all Tory ills inflicted upon this country. Now they’ve voted Tories to push through with it. As I said, inception levels of deception.
This has been a great night. Not quite as good as the referendum but fantastic nonetheless.
I give up. Turned the telly off just as that other cnut Jenkyns came on.
The Conservatives gain Derby North from Labour.
I came back from the toilet and she's going off on Sturgeon.
Battle of the Bitches.
Spent money on the election right? commiserations and I hope you feel better soon..
The good news is those water cannons Boris bought can finally be made legal and will likely get some use too 
A *lot* of places with the total failure of tactical voting, especially since Labour's voteshare has held up better than the seats would indicate.
So how many seats were won through 'tactical voting' then?
Tory 2010 vote - 36.1%
Tory 2015 vote - 36.9%
Tory 2017 vote - 42.4%
So your idea doesn't stack up, as they're going to have 7/8% more vote-share compared to 2010, when there was minimal UKIP vote.
Sometime later I'd like to see the "flow" charts or from 2010-15-17-19, showing not swings but from where voters have gone where.
Yeah the churn will be crazy, and somehow the Tories have managed to skim off the economically conservative Lib Dems (allowing them to rout the south west) and the socially conservative Labour voters (doing the same to the midlands and north) whilst giving away little of their own outside of London.
I've just seen a bunch of results and the takeaway is awful. The LD+Lab voteshare decline is about 4%, while the Tory +BXP voteshare gain is about 3%. A 7% swing in votes has produced a 45-seat gain for the Tories and a remarkable 60+ seat loss for Labour, with only 1 Lib gain.
Corbyn could get less seats than Michael Foot
not trying to be a fool but the situation is more recoverable for labour going forward than 2015 imo. in terms of voteshare, looks like Labour will end around 33%, while in 2015 it was 30%. The problem is what you described (the consolidated Tory vote) compared to 2015, but there is a seemingly-solid floor to build from here.
All the deluded noises from momentum and corbyn and thornberry must be pretty terrifying for all sane labour members.
Corbyn will get less seats than Michael Foot.
Gonna be less than 50% turnout isn't it ? Ridiculous.
The Tories have taken Newcastle-under-Lyme from Labour
Well some of the rest definitely aren't center lefties. There's 100% none of them, no way.
Im surprised so many working class areas voted conservstive, talk about shooting yourself in foot.
Not sure about solid floor. There's lot of wasted votes in there and a lot of former marginals with now massive Tory majorities. Question is how permanent those new Tory voters are, or whether it was just a toxic combination of Corbyn and Brexit for this election.
Luciana Berger lost
It's official. The Conservatives now have a majority of seats in the Commons.
ya i'm not sure who can win back the voters while keeping the party together. idelogically left or centre, and remain or leave, i'm not sure which would work at all. i personally think momentum shouldn't try this time, they'll tie the next momentum candidate to corbyn and finish her off.
If it was again people voting against their interests then I hope there are proper consequences this time. Scale back of benefits, NHS privatisation, increase land lord protections, buy-to-let tax relief, spending cuts for the police, road maintenance, libraries, courts, prisons and housing assistance for seniors, reduced immigration to completely decimate the already short staffed NHS, etc. I really hope the Torries come through this time with what they stand for.
Can't wait for Trump 2020.
Can't wait for Trump 2020.
I'm glad work pay for private healthcare.
Dennis Skinner loses his seat.
Pretty surprised by the scale of the win. I'd say bad luck but ... it seems you want this? I guess not this forum specifically which is obviously really unrepresentative. I feel very, very out of touch with the thinking that gave that much support to the Conservatives. It feels a lot more significant than one single issue and I think dismissing voters as stupid is probably the biggest mistake you could take from this result. Really don't know what to make of it really. Certainly makes me question how moderate the Irish population is on some of these issues. Or what moderate is these days.
Tories gain Dudley North
Tories win Buckingham
DAGENHAM & RAINHAM
Lab hold
Dennis Skinner has lost
Gauke didn't make it.
Tories win Buckingham
DAGENHAM & RAINHAM
Lab hold
Dennis Skinner has lost
Gauke didn't make it.
There was a geezer, forgot his name (not a good start I know) but he was definitely knighted. Thought he was impressive whenever I heard him speak. Dunno, just a feeling it could be him.
Guessing you mean Sir Keir Starmer. He's one of the favourites if I remember correctly.
Same. I will be honest with you the immediate appointments are a godsend. I just can't stand NHS que times.
Labour get 200 seats
I have just seen the result in MK North & South. No fecking chance even with all the other parties added. Momentum and Labour has wasted my time and money for no reason. This election was lost from the get go. I won’t be getting involved in politics anytime soon.
One thing I should say for those cnuting Lib Dems that in Wycombe with their fecking bar charts they managed to sway 6000+ votes and if they had been honest people would have backed Labour and got rid of Stebe Baker who managed to win on a 4000 vote majority.
Swinson losing her seat makes this terrible day bittersweet.
P.S. Guido PM me where I need to donate your £130 as I won’t be reading politics shite for a while so don’t fancy trawling this thread.
One thing I should say for those cnuting Lib Dems that in Wycombe with their fecking bar charts they managed to sway 6000+ votes and if they had been honest people would have backed Labour and got rid of Stebe Baker who managed to win on a 4000 vote majority.
Swinson losing her seat makes this terrible day bittersweet.
P.S. Guido PM me where I need to donate your £130 as I won’t be reading politics shite for a while so don’t fancy trawling this thread.
Gone 5am is a decent time to call it. I've mostly lurked on the thread because to be honest I'd rather not get into the political cut and thrust on the caf. For me it's clear there are a multitude of factors at play in Labour's awful election. Brexit (and the party's messy journey towards an imperfect position) and Corbyn's leadership are paramount but I'd also add
a general failure to get the Labour vote out in numbers outside of big cities and some nasty ideological factionalism that has by all accounts been going on behind the scenes since 2016. There have been various ructions about democracy in the party (trigger ballots, elected General Sec. etc.) but as with anti-semitism what proportion of blame Corbyn personally should cop for it is open to debate, which is why I feel it deserves a separate mention. Also a mention must go to the failure to get decent tactics in place between Labour, Lib Dems and Greens in certain seats, which would by no means have avoided the Tory majority but would have at least spared us the disgraceful spectacle of the Tories sneaking in in the same constituency as the Grenfell tower disaster.
Overall a complete mess for Labour (I've just seen Dennis Skinner lose by more than 5,000 votes for Christ's sake) and I would guess a long road back, which will be most painful for the most vulnerable in our society with Boris's Tories in full control.
a general failure to get the Labour vote out in numbers outside of big cities and some nasty ideological factionalism that has by all accounts been going on behind the scenes since 2016. There have been various ructions about democracy in the party (trigger ballots, elected General Sec. etc.) but as with anti-semitism what proportion of blame Corbyn personally should cop for it is open to debate, which is why I feel it deserves a separate mention. Also a mention must go to the failure to get decent tactics in place between Labour, Lib Dems and Greens in certain seats, which would by no means have avoided the Tory majority but would have at least spared us the disgraceful spectacle of the Tories sneaking in in the same constituency as the Grenfell tower disaster.
Overall a complete mess for Labour (I've just seen Dennis Skinner lose by more than 5,000 votes for Christ's sake) and I would guess a long road back, which will be most painful for the most vulnerable in our society with Boris's Tories in full control.
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