It's fine, Brexit with Johnsons deal, or no deal (which could ultimately be the same thing) will last much more than 10 years..
UK General Election - 12th December 2019 | Con 365, Lab 203, LD 11, SNP 48, Other 23 - Tory Majority of 80
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It's fine, Brexit with Johnsons deal, or no deal (which could ultimately be the same thing) will last much more than 10 years..
UK productivity continues lost decade - https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-47826195
Economists and academics back Labour spending plans - https://www.ft.com/content/d29b4cbe-0fa4-11ea-a225-db2f231cfeae
At least trump voters are somewhat amusing.
Yet your statement was quite absolute, that only a fool wouldn't partially blame Labour for the rise in far right English nationalism. I'm still yet to see the validity or relevance of this argument?
Failing to reach people about the need for investment in schools does not equate to being partially responsible for the rise of right wing nationalism in England.
So, taking away the absolutes, instead of talking about the major factors which contributed towards this rise. You want to focus on the "lack of absolutes" and a potential minor, almost insignificant contributing factor, blaming Labour for failing to reach people through the distorted right wing media.
Let's sit and discuss minor nuances while the rise of right wing nationalism continues outside.
A few left wing academics? Great stuff
Never mind the countless others from industry and finance who are terrified of a far left Labour government.
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Praise be, praise be! All worship the red phone and its mighty powers.
Living in the Northwest near Liverpool I don't see a great deal other than mobilised Labour support. Those that campaign are tenacious and passionate. Are Conservative campaigners the same? Are they hitting the streets in numbers in marginals in the same way?
Judging by Labour, the anti-semites voted remain.
Touche.
Not sure about that given the amount of anti-semetic Conservative candidates!
https://www.theguardian.com/politic...te-three-candidates-over-alleged-antisemitism
Soros being the boogeyman is one of the ridiculous American exports we've had.
Certain failure is no better than indecision. If Johnson gets his way he will be PM at the most critical time for the past 70 years. If you're convinced by him that is fine but you can't blame those who aren't for being less than willing to just accept his reign as fate.
Sorry for condensing your post like this. I hope I haven't misrepresented anything you meant to say by doing so. But you know as well as I do that as much as the election tomorrow really matters, the country's really run by roughly five or six people who own everything we read, hear, and see. If those five or six people feel threatened by what Corbyn's promising then they're going to absolutely make sure that Point A results in Point B. In fact, I'd actually go as far as to say I disagree with you. Whenever the election media regulations come into play about six weeks before polling day, Labour always seem to significantly improve in the polls while the Tories have posted lower and lower numbers. A month ago YouGov were predicting a Tory majority of over 100, as of this morning that majority prediction is down to 20 - and that's from a survey that was started two weeks ago. I've got a load of reservations with Corbyn but you can't tell me that his failure to reach people is entirely down to him when Johnson's ability to resonate with the people is rarely questioned, if ever.
Don't give me hope.
Cant see it but..
Just incase.. Labour currently 6/1 for a minority government, 12/1 for a labour and SNP co, and 23/1 for labour, lib dem and SNP co.
Tory majority still 1/3 on
Maybe I've misread the tweet but I took the ''to whom the future doesn't matter'' line as a reference to climate change. I believe there are actual real reasons why older people vote tory and it isn't simply down to greed, selfishness, racism/xenophobia or that they read the daily mail but........
There really is only one party who has a plan that could come anywhere near the levels we need to fight possibility the biggest crisis in human history and its not the tory party.
Updated Labour policy on trident
I guess xenophobia, memory of 70s and right wing media, but ffs, if you're reliant on pensions and the NHS, don't vote Tory.
BBC just reported that 8/10 of the most viewed election based content on social media were pro Labour.The tide is changing. Even extremists like Guido and Leave.EU are getting absolutely overrun by people posting supportive comments for Labour.
People are wising up to what a shyster Johnson actually is and that you can't trust a word he says. They've evern turned on him for Brexit, and advocating voting for Farage's lot.
Momentum are full out attack, very few events organised to defending constituencies. I've taken leave tomorrow and will be out in Milton Keynes. They're close and ready to be flipped
Exit poll will be the first of many celebrations tomorrow night
But it's not certain failure, it's not ideal but the line that Brexit will be the end of the world is for the idiots. The UK will suffer for a while then continue on.
The UK has two things it needs to do. Pick a direction on Brexit, and get a credible opposition.
I am not convinced by Johnson. I don't agree with much he does or says but a Conservative majority helps to achieve both those things. As long as Labour are led by clowns at the front and extremists behind the scenes, they are dangerous and they need to go. Whether i can stomach voting for Johnson to make that happen i haven't decided yet.
The current MP doesn't live in the area and has been useless whereas the Labour guy is a local ex-miner and a good guy from what I've been told my people who have met him. Enough of a draw for me.
That's incorrect, 5 million Labour voters voted to leave*
*If you beleive anything Farage says
Glad we agree
The Labour version of Rawk's alternative table.
Live in Lancaster and Fleetwood constituency, which is a marginal, and literally only had Labour knock at the door (twice). The Conservatives have sent a leaflet, in the post, so they didn't even try to knock and then hand-deliver when no one was in. I've just been in town and there's a Labour stall with about 5 volunteers canvassing.
I'm not sure how a Conservative majority delivers what you deem to be a credible opposition precisely. Why are the the extremists behind the scenes and the clowns in front within the Tory party more palatable?
Their stance on brexit is a deal-breaker, but you're fine with ongoing horrendous treatment of disabled people. Now that's a Colin.
That's what shy Tories normally argue/say.
Sorry for condensing your post like this. I hope I haven't misrepresented anything you meant to say by doing so.... but that's factually incorrect
https://britainelects.newstatesman.com/who-leads-in-our-poll-tracker/
Quite clearly both have gained significantly since the election was called
Part of that 5% buddy
This is the difference in this election. feck the Tory media, its the boots on the ground that will swing the election.
Connecting with people on a personal level is far more effective and will change the minds of all those undecided and non voters. Everyone who has made up their mind to vote Conservative will do so regardless because they have bought into all the bullshit. This was realised very early on in the election campaign and tactics were changed to stop wasting time targetting and changing the minds of these people.
Social media reach is booming and young people will prove the naysayers wrong and come out to vote in droves. Under 35s won't be 52-57%, there will be 65%+ turnout, they are fully engaged.
The world does not need to end for brexit to be a failure. The world not ending isn't most people's bar to measure success. If it was everything that's ever existed was a success. There's still quite a bit of rest of the world even if brexit should end the UK in the long term, which again doesn't need to happen for brexit to be a failure. Brexit will be a certain failure because it will bring a lot of tangible negatives for a few intangible positives, but that's not even the most important thing in this election. The most important thing about this election is the direction the UK takes after the fact, and one needs to trust Boris Johnson to believe that it will be anything other than disregard for your average persons well being.
Anyone can judge for themselves if one is an idiot for trusting a man who lies again and again with impunity.
You're an optimist @Ultimate Grib I'll give you that.
I like your optimism.
So, when are the exit polls so we can see that we're going to get a Tory majority?
Because surely Labour will get rid of the current leadership if they lose again.
The Tory government hasn't been good but the country is still standing. The economy is growing roughly on a par with our main neighbours. There's a big risk of that changing with Corbyn and McDonnell in charge.
I can see the difference on the ground. I've been out canvassing twice and will do so again tomorrow. Its the media bubble people are consigned to that makes them think a certain way. A lot are resigned to a loss so aren't even engaged contemplating even not voting. This is exactly the effect that the Conservatives are trying to spin with the polls and media. A big enough lead that people on the "losing" side won't bother too much but not too big so their base still comes out.
It is only over when the polls have closed and the votes are counted.
You're going to have to wait a while I'm afraid.
Do you think many are swayed by activists knocking on their doors? I'm sceptical, particularly given Brexit and how entrenched views are.
Even if we take what you say as true, there is a bigger risk with Johnson who wants to rush through a hard Brexit that's going to feck the country up for decades. Why are you blind to that?
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