UK General Election - 12th December 2019 | Con 365, Lab 203, LD 11, SNP 48, Other 23 - Tory Majority of 80

How do you intend to vote in the 2019 General Election if eligible?

  • Brexit Party

    Votes: 30 4.3%
  • Conservatives

    Votes: 73 10.6%
  • DUP

    Votes: 5 0.7%
  • Green

    Votes: 23 3.3%
  • Labour

    Votes: 355 51.4%
  • Liberal Democrats

    Votes: 58 8.4%
  • Plaid Cymru

    Votes: 3 0.4%
  • Sinn Fein

    Votes: 9 1.3%
  • SNP

    Votes: 19 2.8%
  • UKIP

    Votes: 6 0.9%
  • Independent

    Votes: 1 0.1%
  • Other (BNP, Change UK, UUP and anyone else that I have forgotten)

    Votes: 10 1.4%
  • Not voting

    Votes: 57 8.3%
  • Undecided

    Votes: 41 5.9%

  • Total voters
    690
  • Poll closed .
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The election is tomorrow :rolleyes:

There's a huge ad campaign on the streets of marginals today from People's Assembly.

The polls have been narrowing and narrowing and would have done even more so on the last couple of days with Johnsons clusterfeck which has been viewed by more than 11 millions people. Polls wouldn't have accounted for that.

Stop being such a negative nancy there's a huge daily campaign on the ground that's far more presonable than some headlines. That's what swings people.

I definitely hope you're right, I'm expecting a hung parliament and the lib dems getting in bed with the tories again unfortunately.
 
Sorry for the late reply, but seriously?

The UK has what amounts to a unwritten constitution, hence the two 'big dog' political parties fighting it out for power, is the only thing that has a chance of working.

Bullshit. Evidence please that no other democracy has more than two parties and a functional society and government.

Please explain why the Dutch government consisting of 4 parties right now (VVD ((neocon) liberals), D66 (liberal democratic republicans), CU (Christian Union) and CDA (Christian Democratic Alliance), is not just more stable than your government, but can also implement more policies and even quite reformative policies, if your statement is correct that only two major parties can vie for power without having a chance of working. (Let alone your later claim of significant achievement).

Fact is, we've got alliances of chunks of parties who all have to compromise, meaning only the most pragmatic and realistic solutions have a chance of getting through. Pure ideological solutions (those that consist of radical ideological reform and revolutionary ideas) are on the backburner or are being deconstructed to take the best and most agreeable parts that work in everyone's interest get through.

In your case, you've been going between extremes of Thatcherite economies and Labour economies and have been running on a pure neocon agenda for a decade now. And to be honest, it created mess after mess after mess and a hugely disenfranchised, demoralised, apathic and antagonistic public.

If anything, your system shows how ludicrous giving too much power to onesided policy makers is.

The 'Will of the People' etc has nothing to do with it,

Of course it has everything to do with it. The Will of The People cannot be represented in a binary system, let alone by a single party. At all. Any party, let alone any politician that claims to be implementing the Will of the People (their agenda of course) is fundamentally untrustworthy and should be treated with incredible scepticism. They're by default charlatans and frauds, because no single policy can captivate the ideas of millions of people.

as demonstrated by the failure to implement the referendum result.

The problem with implementation is that nobody knew what the referendum result meant. "Brexit means some sort of leaving the EU, we'll figure it out as we go along" is an utterly ridiculous referendum design. The failure of the referendum implementation lay in its fundamentally flawed design by creating a deliberate vagueness and uncertainty.

The only clear answer, as in, what would it have meant, would have been remain, because it would have retained a predefined status quo. Even if your politicians have failed to communicate this in an incredibly poor showcasing of running the pros and cons against one another in any fair way whatsoever. Probably because they've been using the EU as a scapegoat and lightning rod for any anger towards the failures of their own domestic policies. Which normally in a binary political system would have been directed at the party in charge. In a system with more parties, like ours, it means the government coalition is refreshed and politicians are encouraged to work to improve their policies and keep them in line with public interests. In your system, it will swing the other way around by default and there's no incentive to change and improve, because you just have to wait for the failure and subsequent implosion of your only opposition.

That said, you had on the Leave side Farage advocating a Norway model, a Suiss model, an Icelandic model, a Canada model and ultimately he's now going after "no model at all" and Johnson followed suit because the Americans want that for their trade deal. I'm sorry to break it to you, but this mess is entirely, 100% the fault of the Tory leadership and Leave campaigners fraudulent and vague campaigning. They're too incompetent to lead and get consensus within their own party of just a few hundred MPs, let alone a nation with millions of people, each with their own interpretation.

They failed to communicate what they would go for, mostly because they had no idea themselves what they were campaigning for and made loads of really dumb assumptions on how the EU would roll over for them without even having a fundamental understanding of what the EU entails.

Politicians in the UK do not want to know the 'will of the people', they tell the people what their will is. This is how the principle of an unwritten constitution works out by using precedence. If you are the only ones who have set precedence, since the days of King John and the MC, then you won't give that up.

This too is incorrect. King John ultimately had to share power with the Anglo-Saxon nobility. I cannot recall Labour being part of said nobility.

The principle of an unwritten constitution is that it can be changed by parliament if there's sufficient demand for change within society. The goal of an unwritten constitution is to be amended to the times. Precedence has been set by parties other than the elite, the problem you're refering to is the concept of holding absolute power and therefore not having to take into account the will of other people and therefore the unwillingness to share power with coalition partners or opposition.

This has nothing to do with the unwritten constitution and how it can function, it has everything to do with greed, self-righteousness and self-centredness, on top of the idea of efficiency is only possible in a homogeneous design environment. Some of the lesser aspects of human nature. In practice however, a multifacetted design approach can create a more optimal result, even if it costs more deliberation and therefore more time in the establishment of what it is you want. So yes, a coalition may take more time to form, but the result is a multipronged approach to tackling problems with a wider support and more aspects taken into account than those of interest to a homogeneous group.

As an engineer and designer myself I've seen many solutions from homogeneous design environments, which usualy show insufficient thought being put into certain aspects of the design.

Consider the image below and try to imagine each group to be a political party.

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Now compare that to:

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Now think of what an aircraft would look like if only one group would be in control, or a design that is influenced by just two groups. It will be fundamentally flawed. It'd be like having a football team consist solely of goal keepers. It's never going to win. Combining defenders, midfielders, goalie and forwards in a certain way where each group has their interests covered and complemented by the other groups results in a team victory: everyone gains.

Almost all battles political or otherwise only really have a successful outcome when there are only two opposing sides, one wins the other loses and of course history is always written by the winners.

Define "succesful". It sounds like you mean "succesfully implemented one's entire own program" (to the detriment of everyone else). It's a very narrowminded definition and I can't disagree more.

Political battles are battles when they're designed around a winner takes all. There is such a thing as political cooperation. In the Netherlands we had a situation at one point in our history where literally battling factions cooperated in the water household of the land in between with mutually agreed policies (compromises), because it would be in both parties' interest to achieve something positive. You think in black and white outcomes. There can actually be such a thing as both groups having similar and overlapping interests, thus succesful could simply mean having a productive outcome.

From the above I'm slightly convinced you think transactional about treaties as well. As in, there's going to be a winner and loser in any confrontation. A very Trumpian (shortsighted egocentric) way of looking at things. What if treaties can be beneficial to both sides? Take for instance treaties regarding access to the Suez or Panama canals. Think of the Geneva Convention regarding the practices of war and treatment of prisoners of war. Think of trade agreements where hurdles are removed for both sides.

Hell, even in football two sides can benefit over a third party from a draw.

Also, you know that World War II thing? Where an ALLIANCE of nations beat another alliance of nations? You think that would have been possible if just the interests of a single nation had been at stake? Do you not agree that each of those participating nations on both sides involved didn't have their own priorities? And you know what happened? The side which ultimately had only the interests of a single political party in mind, with full control by a single person even and with the strictest hierarchy involved... LOST. Decisively.

Why? Because going it alone makes one weaker. Divide and Conquer is an often employed strategy for good reason.

Three (or more) way battles occur when not everyone can be contained in the big tents of the opposing parties, this leads to mistakes, or to unintended consequences, e.g. vote for one thing and get another. It confuses friend and foe alike and quite often leads to nothing of any significance being achieved, especially when bold actions are required.

Lot to disagree with here, I'll try to cover it pointwise.

1. You can't contain everyone (of the opposition or otherwise) in the big tents. First of all, a big tent suggests a compromise. Yet if one of these big tents is ideological, like Labour or the Tories, this usualy means you're forced to vote for "at least they're not the worse option for me" (ie. current government party). It gives no incentive to these parties to take your views into account, exactly because they know you have no alternatives. Big tents lead to a narrowing of the people being catered to by default and allows for massive, unpenalized disenfranchising, as long as you're not worse to them than your only big rival.

2. By creating two big tents you're automatically disenfranchising people of diverging views and thereby guarantee losers, disgruntlement and apathy and a lack of say and influence, let alone control.

3. When you have but one or two choices, you can't pick the best of each side on offer. Particularly not from parties that didn't make the cut. As a voter, you'll automatically lose on some policies even if you won on others.

4. Mistakes and unintended consequenties are guaranteed because the people involved are human. A single party in charge does not lead to fewer errors made. It leads to fewer corrections and ignoring of mistakes and unintended consequences being rebranded as 'features' and "intention".

Nice Brexit example: "We want to make everything economically better for the UK by leaving the EU" ----> "I will accept being poorer and economic setbacks for decades as long as we leave the EU and I'll even accept the breaking up of the UK". I mean, come on. FFS.

5. Having just a few parties also leads to more corruption, since the same people are in power for longer periods of time, thus the number of people to corrupt reduces.

6. Having a single party in charge does not mean you can achieve something of significance. It does not preclude it either, but it's no guarantee of anything. Especially if the party in question is either not ambitious, overambitious, incompetent, corrupt and/or delusional. By your definition North Korea should be the epitome of successtories. Please...
 
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No matter how it will be spun a hung parliament would be a defeat for a PM who started with a majority.
 
I’m voting conservative but im not happy about it.

I had originally planned to back the liberals but their vote doesn’t seem to have materialised and in my constituent they have no chance. If we had representative system I certainly would have.

I fundamentally disagree with this current labour. Their manifesto, is too ambitious and badly costed - honestly it’s like a vegan eating, weed smoking and musk smelling university students wet dream. It’s full of giveaways which anyone with any sense can see Will not be free -we would be paying for it for generations! It’s the raw amount of spending too, it dwarfs anything any of us have ever seen. do I trust Corbyn on that scale? Never. I genuinely hate Corbyn for what he has done to labour and the whole hamas, antisemitism, ira association can’t be ignored. Even the lack of brexit stance in the referendum is frightening.

for the tories- I actually do want brexit put to bed one way or another So we can finally move on.spending plans seem more reasonable albeit they too don’t seem to have respected our debt as much as you would expect a Tory govt to do.

The lies both parties feed us has taken on whole new levels of meaning in this election. The liberals were the only ones talking sense but nobody want to listen.
 
I definitely hope you're right, I'm expecting a hung parliament and the lib dems getting in bed with the tories again unfortunately.

Anything but a Tory majority is a win. Lib Dems won't have the numbers to get in bed with them. If they did they will ensure a referendum is delivered and there will be another election after it. It will damage them both. But in a hung parliament scenario there will be all against Tories on the basis of Brexit so a coalition will probably place Corbyn or another figure in number 10.
 
I’m voting conservative but im not happy about it.

I had originally planned to back the liberals but their vote doesn’t seem to have materialised and in my constituent they have no chance. If we had representative system I certainly would have.

I fundamentally disagree with this current labour. Their manifesto, is too ambitious and badly costed - honestly it’s like a vegan eating, weed smoking and musk smelling university students wet dream. It’s full of giveaways which anyone with any sense can see Will not be free -we would be paying for it for generations! It’s the raw amount of spending too, it dwarfs anything any of us have ever seen. do I trust Corbyn on that scale? Never. I genuinely hate Corbyn for what he has done to labour and the whole hamas, antisemitism, ira association can’t be ignored. Even the lack of brexit stance in the referendum is frightening.

for the tories- I actually do want brexit put to bed one way or another So we can finally move on.spending plans seem more reasonable albeit they too don’t seem to have respected our debt as much as you would expect a Tory govt to do.

The lies both parties feed us has taken on whole new levels of meaning in this election. The liberals were the only ones talking sense but nobody want to listen.
Can you just not vote instead
 
I’m voting conservative but im not happy about it.

I had originally planned to back the liberals but their vote doesn’t seem to have materialised and in my constituent they have no chance. If we had representative system I certainly would have.

I fundamentally disagree with this current labour. Their manifesto, is too ambitious and badly costed - honestly it’s like a vegan eating, weed smoking and musk smelling university students wet dream. It’s full of giveaways which anyone with any sense can see Will not be free -we would be paying for it for generations! It’s the raw amount of spending too, it dwarfs anything any of us have ever seen. do I trust Corbyn on that scale? Never. I genuinely hate Corbyn for what he has done to labour and the whole hamas, antisemitism, ira association can’t be ignored. Even the lack of brexit stance in the referendum is frightening.

for the tories- I actually do want brexit put to bed one way or another So we can finally move on.spending plans seem more reasonable albeit they too don’t seem to have respected our debt as much as you would expect a Tory govt to do.

The lies both parties feed us has taken on whole new levels of meaning in this election. The liberals were the only ones talking sense but nobody want to listen.
Vote for the greens or not at all. I understand you don't want a Labour government but don't help the Tories get a majority.
 
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I’m voting conservative but im not happy about it.

Admire your honesty but prepare to get called out, just hope you actually listen to what some people say before tomorrow. You're being lied too mate by only one side and it isn't Labour. I don't like Corbyn either but from my perspective it's' the lesser of two Evils.
 
I’m voting conservative but im not happy about it.

I had originally planned to back the liberals but their vote doesn’t seem to have materialised and in my constituent they have no chance. If we had representative system I certainly would have.

I fundamentally disagree with this current labour. Their manifesto, is too ambitious and badly costed - honestly it’s like a vegan eating, weed smoking and musk smelling university students wet dream. It’s full of giveaways which anyone with any sense can see Will not be free -we would be paying for it for generations! It’s the raw amount of spending too, it dwarfs anything any of us have ever seen. do I trust Corbyn on that scale? Never. I genuinely hate Corbyn for what he has done to labour and the whole hamas, antisemitism, ira association can’t be ignored. Even the lack of brexit stance in the referendum is frightening.

for the tories- I actually do want brexit put to bed one way or another So we can finally move on.spending plans seem more reasonable albeit they too don’t seem to have respected our debt as much as you would expect a Tory govt to do.

The lies both parties feed us has taken on whole new levels of meaning in this election. The liberals were the only ones talking sense but nobody want to listen.
And this reasoning is why we're completely fecked.
 
Not sure having us in the mix with Greece, Italy and Portugal is a hugely persuasive argument...
Yet you think being second to bottom on public spending out of all OECD countries is a persuasive argument?

Norway, Sweden, Belgium, Denmark, Finland and France all spend more as a percentage of their GDP than Labours plans. Hardly austere communist states are they.

It shows how far our standards have fallen in this country.
 
I’m voting conservative but im not happy about it.

I had originally planned to back the liberals but their vote doesn’t seem to have materialised and in my constituent they have no chance. If we had representative system I certainly would have.

I fundamentally disagree with this current labour. Their manifesto, is too ambitious and badly costed - honestly it’s like a vegan eating, weed smoking and musk smelling university students wet dream. It’s full of giveaways which anyone with any sense can see Will not be free -we would be paying for it for generations! It’s the raw amount of spending too, it dwarfs anything any of us have ever seen. do I trust Corbyn on that scale? Never. I genuinely hate Corbyn for what he has done to labour and the whole hamas, antisemitism, ira association can’t be ignored. Even the lack of brexit stance in the referendum is frightening.

for the tories- I actually do want brexit put to bed one way or another So we can finally move on.spending plans seem more reasonable albeit they too don’t seem to have respected our debt as much as you would expect a Tory govt to do.

The lies both parties feed us has taken on whole new levels of meaning in this election. The liberals were the only ones talking sense but nobody want to listen.
Tories didn't have their plans costed at all... They kept everything as vague as possible, but I think you should realise that Brexit costs - not just initial, but long term as companies go bust - will probably dwarf anything Labour would do and result in massively lower tax income to spend. You'll end up with fastly more austerity than you've seen from the 2008 crisis and that will reflect in the budget. Worse, the recuperation will be much slower.



In times like this, where choice is limited, you'd think people would en mass pick third and fourth parties that promise representative voting reform. Ditch both Labour and Tory.



As far as the Lib vote not materialising... I'm sorry mate, but with voters like yourself who follow potentially flawed and biased polling, on top of fearmongering between which of the two traditional parties would win to determine their vote... Then I should say you'll never have a vote if you let others decide for you anyway.
 
@mad1max954

Just to give you an example. You say this:

"I fundamentally disagree with this current labour. Their manifesto, is too ambitious and badly costed - honestly it’s like a vegan eating, weed smoking and musk smelling university students wet dream. It’s full of giveaways which anyone with any sense can see Will not be free -we would be paying for it for generations! It’s the raw amount of spending too, it dwarfs anything any of us have ever seen."

This is a Tory lie. They have been telling everyone that it will cost £1.2 trillion. This is simply not true, you can read BBC article here: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/50459811

Don't forget Labours manifesto has been approved by over 150 economists. You've been fed lies by the Tories. Who have been pushing this "it will cost 1.2 trillion" even Lord Sugar has repeated this comment yesterday telling people to vote for Boris. I mean feck sake, it's raw propaganda.
 
I think the key difference here is that 'generation rent' are finding it near impossible to get on the housing ladder. I remember under Cameron's government they started tracking happiness and well-being and one of the key things they found that correlated to emotional well-being was home ownership and the sense of security that brings. It's something that @Sweet Square likes to bang on about but I think he's right and it could be the catalyst for political change in the future.
It would be a first but I'll take it

 
I’m voting conservative but im not happy about it.

I had originally planned to back the liberals but their vote doesn’t seem to have materialised and in my constituent they have no chance. If we had representative system I certainly would have.

I fundamentally disagree with this current labour. Their manifesto, is too ambitious and badly costed - honestly it’s like a vegan eating, weed smoking and musk smelling university students wet dream. It’s full of giveaways which anyone with any sense can see Will not be free -we would be paying for it for generations! It’s the raw amount of spending too, it dwarfs anything any of us have ever seen. do I trust Corbyn on that scale? Never. I genuinely hate Corbyn for what he has done to labour and the whole hamas, antisemitism, ira association can’t be ignored. Even the lack of brexit stance in the referendum is frightening.

for the tories- I actually do want brexit put to bed one way or another So we can finally move on.spending plans seem more reasonable albeit they too don’t seem to have respected our debt as much as you would expect a Tory govt to do.

The lies both parties feed us has taken on whole new levels of meaning in this election. The liberals were the only ones talking sense but nobody want to listen.
As mentioned in my post before, Norway, Sweden, Belgium, Denmark, Finland and France all spend more as a percentage of their GDP than Labours plans. So I don't see your point regarding the manifesto.

Personally I don't see the Labour manifesto as too ambitious. It seems as a country after only 9 years under the Tories we have forgotten we have the 7th strongest economy in the World and can afford to invest. For example, if we had invested in social house building programmes in 2010 we would, as a country, own valuable assets increasing in value and reduce the housing crisis.
 
No matter how it will be spun a hung parliament would be a defeat for a PM who started with a majority.

The amount you post in this thread but you don't even know we don't have a majority government right now :wenger:. 2017 was a hung parliament. We've actually only had 2 years of normal government since 2010.
 
Their manifesto, is too ambitious and badly costed - honestly it’s like a vegan eating, weed smoking and musk smelling university students wet dream.
All the party manifestos came back as poorly costed and as a vegan I didn't really see Labour pushing veganism so I'm not having any wet dreams about their stuff.

It’s full of giveaways which anyone with any sense can see Will not be free -we would be paying for it for generations! It’s the raw amount of spending too, it dwarfs anything any of us have ever seen.
Giveaways or trying to actually fund public services and they did say where they would be looking to get the money from, maybe they don't get it all but just refer to above for that.

I genuinely hate Corbyn for what he has done to labour and the whole hamas, antisemitism, ira association can’t be ignored

It's good not to ignore issues like that, but you're then voting for the Tories who have racism issues themselves, supply weapons to some pretty bad people and have an MP who was a memeber of the IRA.

Even the lack of brexit stance in the referendum is frightening.

Their brexit stance makes the most sense out of the 2 main parties, they're giving people a chance to vote on the actual deal that we would get with the EU vs remaining, that's far clearer than the original referendum vote we had.

The lies both parties feed us has taken on whole new levels of meaning in this election. The liberals were the only ones talking sense but nobody want to listen.

Ah come on the Lib Dems have been caught telling lies a fair few times.
 
I’m voting conservative but im not happy about it.

I had originally planned to back the liberals but their vote doesn’t seem to have materialised and in my constituent they have no chance. If we had representative system I certainly would have.

I fundamentally disagree with this current labour. Their manifesto, is too ambitious and badly costed - honestly it’s like a vegan eating, weed smoking and musk smelling university students wet dream. It’s full of giveaways which anyone with any sense can see Will not be free -we would be paying for it for generations! It’s the raw amount of spending too, it dwarfs anything any of us have ever seen. do I trust Corbyn on that scale? Never. I genuinely hate Corbyn for what he has done to labour and the whole hamas, antisemitism, ira association can’t be ignored. Even the lack of brexit stance in the referendum is frightening.

for the tories- I actually do want brexit put to bed one way or another So we can finally move on.spending plans seem more reasonable albeit they too don’t seem to have respected our debt as much as you would expect a Tory govt to do.

The lies both parties feed us has taken on whole new levels of meaning in this election. The liberals were the only ones talking sense but nobody want to listen.
:lol:
 
I fundamentally disagree with this current labour. Their manifesto, is too ambitious and badly costed - honestly it’s like a vegan eating, weed smoking and musk smelling university students wet dream. It’s full of giveaways which anyone with any sense can see Will not be free -we would be paying for it for generations!

Yet the Tories can piss money against a wall for a decade and apparently that doesn't count. Do you even know that the government allocated £6,3 BILLION just for preparing for a totally unnecessary no-deal Brexit scenario? Do you know that a single Tory minister Chris Grayling managed to waste £3 BILLION through idiotic and easily avoided mistakes?

These cnuts have fecked the country while burning through staggering amounts of public money. Yet as soon as a party comes along and promises to spend some cash on normal people instead of handing away free shit to millionaires its supposedly a devastating attack on all our futures? Give me a fecking break..
 
The brexit campaign played a large part in the slide into right wing nationalism. Also austerity, cuts to vital services while the Tories conveniently allowed the blame for faltering services to fall on immigrants.

Brexit: an internal Tory debate which I'd still ruining and dividing the country.

Austerity: Failed Tory ideology.

2 key factors in the rise of right wing nationalism in England. Both down to the Tories.

But yes, only a fool would not blame Labour. You must be right.

Only a sith deals in absolutes.

The word partially keeps escaping the eyes of people who just refuse to at least hold them to account. I mean lose tomorrow, and it's another big loss to this shambolic Conservative side. I see nothing wrong in expecting better and not resorting to the same old Labour excuses for failure.

Now I've never once said the media and all that aren't attrocious for what they are doing, they are and should be held to account, however Corbyn and Labour have once again failed to reach people. That's what needs addressing time and time again. Talking at the school this morning, nearly everyone still didn't have a real vote picked, it was quite surprising. That's who Labour should be getting, but aren't. Luckily I think I got more onside than not by pointing out where we were and the money schools need, but the fact is people are just so indifferent and think they are all at the lies and making the silly promises (like the broadband one).
 
We really can't expect to be given free hand outs paid for by our taxes. It's madness to think otherwise.

Also, the tax rate should definitely be raised just above what an MP is currently earning.
 
Yet the Tories can piss money against a wall for a decade and apparently that doesn't count. Do you even know that the government allocated £6,3 BILLION just for preparing for a totally unnecessary no-deal Brexit scenario? Do you know that a single Tory minister Chris Grayling managed to waste £3 BILLION through idiotic and easily avoided mistakes?

These cnuts have fecked the country while burning through staggering amounts of public money. Yet as soon as a party comes along and promises to spend some cash on normal people instead of handing away free shit to millionaires its supposedly a devastating attack on all our futures? Give me a fecking break..

Yep. I'm a small business owner and I don't trust Labour at all there, however that's all ifs and mights and pales into insignificance when you see the facts.

And that's the Conservatives are fecking this country and need to be gone.
 
You guys, please stop wasting your time. @mad1max954 is what canvassers call lost causes on the doorstep. They've bought into the 88% of the lies spouted by the Cons and there's no amount of time spent going to persuade them so I think just like on the ground you should move on swiftly and try to convince someone undecided or that isn't voting instead.
 
I’m voting conservative but im not happy about it.

I had originally planned to back the liberals but their vote doesn’t seem to have materialised and in my constituent they have no chance. If we had representative system I certainly would have.

I fundamentally disagree with this current labour. Their manifesto, is too ambitious and badly costed - honestly it’s like a vegan eating, weed smoking and musk smelling university students wet dream. It’s full of giveaways which anyone with any sense can see Will not be free -we would be paying for it for generations! It’s the raw amount of spending too, it dwarfs anything any of us have ever seen. do I trust Corbyn on that scale? Never. I genuinely hate Corbyn for what he has done to labour and the whole hamas, antisemitism, ira association can’t be ignored. Even the lack of brexit stance in the referendum is frightening.

for the tories- I actually do want brexit put to bed one way or another So we can finally move on.spending plans seem more reasonable albeit they too don’t seem to have respected our debt as much as you would expect a Tory govt to do.

The lies both parties feed us has taken on whole new levels of meaning in this election. The liberals were the only ones talking sense but nobody want to listen.
:lol:

I'm sorry but at this point I just laugh at anybody who is being swayed by the fecking Tories.
 
Yet the Tories can piss money against a wall for a decade and apparently that doesn't count. Do you even know that the government allocated £6,3 BILLION just for preparing for a totally unnecessary no-deal Brexit scenario? Do you know that a single Tory minister Chris Grayling managed to waste £3 BILLION through idiotic and easily avoided mistakes?

These cnuts have fecked the country while burning through staggering amounts of public money. Yet as soon as a party comes along and promises to spend some cash on normal people instead of handing away free shit to millionaires its supposedly a devastating attack on all our futures? Give me a fecking break..


It makes me laugh. A slogan for the politics of these people would be 'better things aren't possible'. Absolute masochists.

When Labour make spending commitments it's always 'free stuff'... when the Tories chuck money at the DUP, or bung over £100 billion on HS2 it's fiscally responsible public expenditure and nobody would bat an eyelid.
 
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