UK General Election - 12th December 2019 | Con 365, Lab 203, LD 11, SNP 48, Other 23 - Tory Majority of 80

How do you intend to vote in the 2019 General Election if eligible?

  • Brexit Party

    Votes: 30 4.3%
  • Conservatives

    Votes: 73 10.6%
  • DUP

    Votes: 5 0.7%
  • Green

    Votes: 23 3.3%
  • Labour

    Votes: 355 51.4%
  • Liberal Democrats

    Votes: 58 8.4%
  • Plaid Cymru

    Votes: 3 0.4%
  • Sinn Fein

    Votes: 9 1.3%
  • SNP

    Votes: 19 2.8%
  • UKIP

    Votes: 6 0.9%
  • Independent

    Votes: 1 0.1%
  • Other (BNP, Change UK, UUP and anyone else that I have forgotten)

    Votes: 10 1.4%
  • Not voting

    Votes: 57 8.3%
  • Undecided

    Votes: 41 5.9%

  • Total voters
    690
  • Poll closed .
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He would be the father of the house if he retains it... He's held it since 1970... Labour since 1950 when it was formed
Corbyn and the (lack of a credible) brexit policy is toxic there

Surprised you're still posting in this thread after making yourself look a fool so many times.
 
If Raab lost his seat I’d call that a little victory.

A tactical vote from Lib Dems in Wycombe will in all likelihood bury Steve Baker. Now that will be a scalp worth getting. IDS is 100% toast if Lib Dems vote tactically in Chingford. I think that will happen.
 
Are those polls before or after the Leeds hospital fiasco?

Reddit says there are 85 seats where the projected majority is 5% or less. This could get interesting...

My gut says no majority for the Tories. My gut also says I should eat food before I start drinking wine.
 
If the election campaign was twice as long I wonder what the outcome would be...
The Tory spin machine would have turned the UK into a merry-go-round with the rate it was working overtime, probably.
 
Not really. Maintained free prescriptions and waiting times are lower than England's.

Education on the other hand? Ooft...
Yeah but we've got the tories down here. Neil is a arse hole but he's not wrong in that clip, the SNP consistently miss their own NHS targets.

For a left party they seem a bit shite.
 
If you stick to spend as a proportion of GDP that's somewhat irrelevant. If the economy grows at a slightly slower rate then the spend as a proportion grows slightly slower also.

As I said increasing spending by 3-5% per year in line with GDP growth would have been sensible. Increasing spending at twice the rate that the economy was growing is stupidity.

I don't understand the obsession with accruing mountains of debt just to artificially inflate the economy in the short term. The chickens always come home to roost so the artificial wealth creation in the early 00's is now being paid for by the current generation.

Also in terms of it "taking money out of the economy", that's not really the case given that we'd still have debt. We also have a huge pension black hole along with a massive public debt that we're dumping on the next generation.

Do you know what is really "taking money out of the economy"? The £40b+ interest bill that we have to pay every year.

Out of curiousity though if you believe in a large budget deficit when the economy is regarded as at the peak of a boom, what do you think the deficit should look like in a recession and how/when would you go about balancing the books?

Wait I assume you're not actually trying to say that lowering the public sector net borrowing isn't taking money out of the economy? It simply is.

As for your alternative example, the majority of the debt is owned by the UK private sector so whilst some is taken out of the economy it's a very poor example.
 
Jesus Christ that would be painful. Think I’d rather watch Mrs Browns Boys than this go on for another 5 weeks.

Aye it must be hard for your cognitive dissonance having to see so much bullshit from the Tories when you're planning to vote for them.

88% of their ads are misleading! And you trust them. Sorry you have to do that mate.
 
Partially, yes.

You are a fool if you think otherwise.
If your talking about New Labour(''British jobs for British workers'') then yeah I agree but if you mean Labour since Corbyn being leader then you'll have to explain in more detail.
 
Yeah but we've got the tories down here. Neil is a arse hole but he's not wrong in that clip, the SNP consistently miss their own NHS targets.

For a left party they seem a bit shite.
We're not exactly swimming in a pool of political talent anywhere in the isles, so I'll take what I can get.

I'd rather vote for a useless party with morals that will only let out little nuggets onto the sheets than a bunch of incompetent Labourites who don't mean to shit the bed at all but still seem to do with great ferocity, or the Tories who would sell the bed to Trump and say it's my fault they did it.
 
Just donated another £100 to Momentum on Corbyns request for the final push to get young people out to vote on Thursday. I have long believed they will make the difference.

Between them Labour, Led By Donkeys, People’s vote and People’s Assembly this election has cost me north of £1000. Let’s fecking hope it was all worth it and I can have a very large drink Thursday night at 10pm :drool:
 
85 seats where the projected majority is 5% or less. We're still anywhere between a hung parliament and a Tory majority of 100.
 
Please please please let this happen. Would love to see his face if he lost his seat.



I'm intrigued how much tactical voting is fed into these models. Seats like that (and I've seen that there's about 35 of them) only need a small increase in tactical voting to make it happen.

It's a communication issue now because you'd have seriously few Labour voters looking at that and not lending their vote.
 
Aye it must be hard for your cognitive dissonance having to see so much bullshit from the Tories when you're planning to vote for them.

88% of their ads are misleading! And you trust them. Sorry you have to do that mate.
But the headline says I can’t trust either of them...?
 
Just donated another £100 to Momentum on Corbyns request for the final push to get young people out to vote on Thursday. I have long believed they will make the difference.

Between them Labour, Led By Donkeys, People’s vote and People’s Assembly this election has cost me north of £1000. Let’s fecking hope it was all worth it and I can have a very large drink Thursday night at 10pm :drool:
You’re a good man! Let’s hope we can get the tories out. The country needs change.
 
It turns out that my constituency just needs a 4% swing towards Labour to win and now I'm conflicted. Historically I've voted Labour but moved to the SNP in 2015 because they were the "socialist" option. Now I'm seeing the SNP shitting more and more on education and I don't know what to do. Do I return to the dark side?

I'm sure that the Caf will give me a fair and balanced answer.
 
If your talking about New Labour(''British jobs for British workers'') then yeah I agree but if you mean Labour since Corbyn being leader then you'll have to explain in more detail.

I was interested in how he took that. Moot now.

But as for Labour under Corbyn, it goes beyond that. They've not provided an effective enough opposition for years so yeah, looking at it that way I guess you could hold them part responsible.
 
In a way I think I’d rather have a clear Tory majority than a slim Tory majority. The slimmer the majority the more they are beholden to the extremists in the party.
Yep, that's my thinking too. The worst result would be a small Tory majority.
 
It turns out that my constituency just needs a 4% swing towards Labour to win and now I'm conflicted. Historically I've voted Labour but moved to the SNP in 2015 because they were the "socialist" option. Now I'm seeing the SNP shitting more and more on education and I don't know what to do. Do I return to the dark side?

I'm sure that the Caf will give me a fair and balanced answer.
Vote labour and I promise not to eat pigeon pie again.

Neither for food or pleasure
 
I'd imagine, despite hating everything about it, you'd just watch Mrs Browns Boys anyway.

I like to try and be subjective about things, but I honestly don’t understand how anyone can watch it... evil, uneducated fools!

Going in to the final day we are one big Boris feck up away from the complete unknown.

Can he do it!

Cummings should hide him away. Wherever Rees-Mogg and Abbott have been is where Boris should hide out for 48 hours.
 
I like to try and be subjective about things, but I honestly don’t understand how anyone can watch it... evil, uneducated fools!



Cummings should hide him away. Wherever Rees-Mogg and Abbott have been is where Boris should hide out for 48 hours.
Do me do me
 
It turns out that my constituency just needs a 4% swing towards Labour to win and now I'm conflicted. Historically I've voted Labour but moved to the SNP in 2015 because they were the "socialist" option. Now I'm seeing the SNP shitting more and more on education and I don't know what to do. Do I return to the dark side?

I'm sure that the Caf will give me a fair and balanced answer.

Between Labour and SNP? Depends whether you want independence or not I guess.
 
“The margin of error here could put the final number of Conservative seats from 311 to 367. This means that we absolutely cannot rule out the 2019 election producing a hung Parliament - nor can we rule out a larger Conservative majority”.
 
The thing to take away from MRP poll is that under 35s are on a measly 52-57% turnout. I’d be surprised if it wasn’t over 65% based on the social media engagement I’m seeing in this election...
 
I like to try and be subjective about things, but I honestly don’t understand how anyone can watch it... evil, uneducated fools!

Cummings should hide him away. Wherever Rees-Mogg and Abbott have been is where Boris should hide out for 48 hours.
It's been noticeable this time that two people deemed most likely to say something stupid have been hidden away, especially as both in cabinet/shadow cabinet?

I don't remember an election where this happened before... gone from being reasonably visual/vocal just 2 months ago to nothing.

This campaign seems to be as much about who's the least unlikeable/useless as it is about positives.
 
We're not exactly swimming in a pool of political talent anywhere in the isles, so I'll take what I can get.

I'd rather vote for a useless party with morals that will only let out little nuggets onto the sheets than a bunch of incompetent Labourites who don't mean to shit the bed at all but still seem to do with great ferocity, or the Tories who would sell the bed to Trump and say it's my fault they did it.
I guess but morals don't = A&E targets being hit, cancer targets being hit etc etc... Also for all their moral outrage they loved Trump during the Salmond years(Although clearly they were very similar to each other) and Sturgeon make a whole deal about not talking to Trump to then only back down.

But your right that the political talent is lacking but by the SNP own standards, they are failing(Something you couldn't say about even New Labour :nervous:)


But as for Labour under Corbyn, it goes beyond that. They've not provided an effective enough opposition for years so yeah, looking at it that way I guess you could hold them part responsible.
Examples of this and how these examples have caused the growing of right wing nationalism(Under Corbyn Labour have a policy to extended voting rights to EU citizens and at Labour conference members voting in favour of keeping and extending freedom of movement. The party is literally fighting right wing nationalism with real policy).
 
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