UK General Election - 12th December 2019 | Con 365, Lab 203, LD 11, SNP 48, Other 23 - Tory Majority of 80

How do you intend to vote in the 2019 General Election if eligible?

  • Brexit Party

    Votes: 30 4.3%

  • Conservatives

    Votes: 73 10.6%

  • DUP

    Votes: 5 0.7%

  • Green

    Votes: 23 3.3%

  • Labour

    Votes: 355 51.4%

  • Liberal Democrats

    Votes: 58 8.4%

  • Plaid Cymru

    Votes: 3 0.4%

  • Sinn Fein

    Votes: 9 1.3%

  • SNP

    Votes: 19 2.8%

  • UKIP

    Votes: 6 0.9%

  • Independent

    Votes: 1 0.1%

  • Other (BNP, Change UK, UUP and anyone else that I have forgotten)

    Votes: 10 1.4%

  • Not voting

    Votes: 57 8.3%

  • Undecided

    Votes: 41 5.9%
  • Total voters
    690
  • Poll closed .
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decorativeed said:
I'm going to give you the benefit of the doubt, as the alternative is something that goes against the ethos of the forum, and suggest you are being deliberately disingenuous.

I'd imagine the person who took it was the child's parent. I'd imagine they took it as proof of the situation they were left in. I'd have thought that in that situation, the last thing they were thinking of was helping anyone's election campaign. And I know the reason that he is on the floor is because the child just wanted to lie down, as this is what the parents have already stated.

You carry on with your daft conspiracy theory though, have fun.
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It would appear that you also do some imagining as well, don't you?

We (you or I) don't know who took the photograph, or why? Do we?
We don't know how it got into the press either do we, or why??

Why would the childs parents want any proof of the situation? It would be a matter of hospital records and presumably there must have been lots of other witnesses around at the time, should proof be needed.

No one at the hospital has denied this unfortunate situation occurred!

This sad and probably frightening situation for this family has been used for political propaganda and whilst its clear all parties engaged in such examples, using personal and highly traumatic situations like this is hitting a new low, don't you think... or perhaps its you who is being disingenuous?
 
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villain said:
Yep those particular ones are just the tip of the iceberg.

There's lots of proof of 'bot' farms that are coded to tweet, like & RT content to improve impressions - therefore increase the visibility of whatever tweets are being sent so that millions of people will see it on twitter, and many more will be sent screenshots on facebook, whatsapp, emails etc
https://www.vox.com/2018/10/19/17990946/twitter-russian-trolls-bots-election-tampering



It's not about difficulty, it's about disingenuity and altering perception to the point where you need to question pretty much any news you consume. Even experienced journalists are falling victim.
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I agree about the difficulty. After all, it's not hard.

But you implied it was the same pople involved, and I'm telling you it's not even that. Everyone is it at, it's about time people realised it.
 
SteveJ said:
Like Trump and his stunts, Johnson thinks his supporters are fools. The antics above are just a variation on the old, patronising 'Politician holds a pint of beer' photo op; he's thinking: 'They're simple, so they'll like this.'
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The truly scary thing is, a large number of them will :(
 
Flying high said:
I was born mid 70s, so without having time to research, I'm inclined to believe this may contain some truth.



But then you close with this. Quite apart from the childishness of it. I hear far more of what McCluskey has said via right leaning posters on here than I ever do in the news. So that always raises my suspicions as to whether the person is raising the unions just as another attempted derogatory word like socialist or marxist.

How is it that you fear powerful groups of workers, whose power only comes from sheer numbers. But support more power for big business and those born into money? I just don't see the sense.
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Whereas I appreciate the unions place in history I am not sure that they need to regain the degree of power they wielded back then. Most things they campaigned for are now enshrined in legislation and I do not subscribe to the notion that the Tories will scrap the lot once we are out of the EU. That would be a green light for trouble. There is an army of 'ambulance chasers' ready to take up the case for workers that feel they have been hard done by. I now run a company and on the, fortunately, few occasions I have had to resort to disciplinary action resulting in dismissal, on every count it has been commuted to a Settlement Agreement. One in particular was nailed on bullying and racism.

The Labour party make no secret of the fact that the jobs they will be offering in the nationalised industries will be unionised and Mr McCluskey is absolutely on board with this. Now it may well be a different time and era but is feels like deja vu to me.

Big business may be an anathema to some but it does create jobs and wealth. Labeling the rich as pariahs makes no sense to me because as John Cauldwell said to John McDonnell, you are having a go at the very people you want to stay in the UK, and pay extra tax to pay for your policies.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/world...oes-head-to-head-with-labour-s-john-mcdonnell

If you treat the rich like some kind of pinata they will leave and then where do you get your funding from?
 
Cheesy said:
Indeed. This is quite common now with the revival of the far-right in parts of Europe - Le Pen and Salvini and co will often put forward domestic policies which aren't bad in principle and which may appeal to a fairly wide range of the population, but it has to be remembered that their economic approach will vary whatever way the wind is going, because ultimately their primary concerns are on social matters and on immigration etc, and they will do whatever they can around that to try and gain power. Trump is similar - his rhetoric of speaking up for common workers who had been left behind was, again, respectable in principle, but he had no actual intention to help these people once in power and his time in office has shown that he does not give a feck about the common man.
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Le Pen is a moronic racist and economically illiterate. But she hasn't yet resorted to policies that involve mass murder, persecution, state theft and famine.
 
Source of 'faked photo' claim speaks to Newsnight


As we've been saying, much focus in the last 24 hours or so has been on a photo of a small boy asleep on the floor of a busy hospital.
There were reports though, which went viral, that the photo was fake. They were contained in a Facebook post.
The post, written in the first person, claimed the poster had a good friend who was a senior nurse at Leeds Hospital who knew the picture of the boy had been staged by his mother.
However, Dr Yvette Oade, chief medical officer at Leeds Teaching Hospitals NHS Trust, confirmed there were no beds available because the hospital was "extremely busy" and apologised to the boy's family.
BBC Newsnight has since spoken to the owner of the Facebook account who claims they pasted the post from elsewhere.
The owner, who has subsequently taken down their account, said they received a Facebook friend request on Monday afternoon from someone claiming to be an old school friend.
The account owner, who is in their 50s, said they did not recognise the person but accepted the friend request anyway.
The account owner says they then looked at their new friend’s Facebook page, saw the message regarding the hospital and copied and pasted it into their own account.
The owner said the way the post suddenly went viral makes them suspect they were the victim of a co-ordinated ploy. They have taken down their social media accounts and say they have reported what happened to the Met’s cyber crime unit.


Conservative digital skullduggery this election is chilling.
 
Classical Mechanic said:
I come from the opposite position. I consume BBC content far more than any other media: Radio 1 Radio 4, Radio 6 and iPlayer. The BBC is a crown jewel British brand and in my opinion massively important to British culture and the arts in particular. I don't think there's another body in the UK that does more to promote domestic creative talent in music, acting, writing etc. They also make some of the best educational programmes in the world. The Tories have long wanted to destroy it because the see it as a socialist endeavour and one they felt has worked against them in the past. It would be a great shame if the left consent to its destruction because of a handful of incidents from a tiny part of the organisation.



The left is full of supercilious twerps but doesn't produce violent terrorists like the right does.
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Tbh when I think of the BBC I think of shite like Eastenders, Casualty, Mrs Brown's Boys and other unwatchable bilge they've been pumping out for years.
Can't think of anything I regularly watch.
I never listen to the radio.

The left and right both have stacks of obnoxious oiks.
 
Redlambs said:
Johnson is an absolute knuckle dragging wreck.

How anyone can defend Corbyn losing to this man and acting like any kind of loss is a win is beyond me. You all need to wake the feck up.
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I love how you aim that at the people who defend Corbyn rather than those that vote for the "knuckle dragging wreck" :lol:
 
Pink Moon said:
I love how you aim that at the people who defend Corbyn rather than those that vote for the "knuckle dragging wreck" :lol:
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It's because I have clearly stated multiple times that I hold Labour, and clearly people who would pick up on that point, partially responsible for the mess we are in.

Laugh away, it's ever so funny who will be in power come friday eh?
 
sun_tzu said:
Actually Jon lansman is an atheist...
He was raised in a Jewish family but ones views and beliefs are not dictated by ones family are they?... Try reading the JLM submission to the ehrc if you want hundreds of examples of antisemitism (unless they are all smears made up by lying Jews to get jezbollah?)
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Care to explain why someone can't be both an athiest and Jewish?
 
Redlambs said:
It's because I have clearly stated multiple times that I hold Labour, and clearly people who would pick up on that point, partially responsible for the mess we are in.

Laugh away, it's ever so funny who will be in power come friday eh?
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Johnson will but with no majority. YHIFH
 
So to be clear the tories over the last 24 hours have:


1) Lied to Laura Kuenssberg, and Robert Peston about their health advisor being attacked by Labour activists
2) Distracted from that lie being called out by calling the protestors manner into question (as if he's on trial).
3) Distracted from those lies by claiming the whole picture is staged. An account has been "hacked" (allegedly) to claim that the picture is false (despite the hospital apologising to the parents)
4) Then got Boris Johnson to announce that he's thinking of scraping TV Licences to distract the public conversation further

All to avoid talking about a little boy with pneumonia being treated on the hospital floor because there are no beds

and the thing is - everything I have just said is true, true, true

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sun_tzu said:
Actually Jon lansman is an atheist...
He was raised in a Jewish family but ones views and beliefs are not dictated by ones family are they?... Try reading the JLM submission to the ehrc if you want hundreds of examples of antisemitism (unless they are all smears made up by lying Jews to get jezbollah?)
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He identifies as a Jew, it's not up to you whether or not he's Jewish for fecks sake.
 
Maticmaker said:
It would appear that you also do some imagining as well, don't you?

We (you or I) don't know who took the photograph, or why? Do we?
We don't know how it got into the press either do we, or why??

Why would the childs parents want any proof of the situation? It would be a matter of hospital records and presumably there must have been lots of other witnesses around at the time, should proof be needed.

No one at the hospital has denied this unfortunate situation occurred!

This sad and probably frightening situation for this family has been used for political propaganda and whilst its clear all parties engaged in such examples, using personal and highly traumatic situations like this is hitting a new low, don't you think... or perhaps its you who is being disingenuous?
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The journalist who broke the story has already explained all of this in full. The family (well, the mother) wanted him to publish this story because she was concerned that people are not aware of the full extent of the "crisis in the NHS."

 
Pink Moon said:
I love how you aim that at the people who defend Corbyn rather than those that vote for the "knuckle dragging wreck" :lol:
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Self evidently because you need to attract the "knuckle draggers" - or at least some of them - rather than repel them.
 
Redlambs said:
I agree about the difficulty. After all, it's not hard.

But you implied it was the same pople involved, and I'm telling you it's not even that. Everyone is it at, it's about time people realised it.
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I said that I wouldn't be surprised if it's the same people involved - that's more of an opinion rather than an implication, however the distinction is hardly important because we agree on the central point of all this; the blueprint has been set, and the onus is on the reader to be savvy enough to be able to distinguish the truth themselves.
I think most won't, at least not in the short term.
 
Paul the Wolf said:
Le Pen is a moronic racist and economically illiterate. But she hasn't yet resorted to policies that involve mass murder, persecution, state theft and famine.
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I'm aware of that. My more general point though was that far-right politicians (or extreme politicians in general) will sometimes put forward popular policies in order to garner the support of the masses, but they have no deeper belief in said policies because they're merely trying to gain power to implement their own backwards agenda, particularly when it comes to issues like immigration etc.
 
Classical Mechanic said:
What use is that?
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Redlambs said:
And?
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The use is that they won't be able to form a government that will support their deal as there are zero allies in parliament for it. So there will be a referendum and another election and they will have failed to deliver their single policy which should decimate their support. Brexit party will re-enter the scene and scoop the hard-right support.

Let's face it Brexit has made it almost impossible for anyone to win a majority, especially someone as viciously attacked as Corbyn. A lot of it being fake news of course. Brexit has put Everything is up in the air so once it is out of the way and parties will campaign on policies Labour can win outright as there is no way Tories can defend their record. It may be that Labour can even get enough seats to form a minority government in this parliament too. About 275 is the number I think. I don't believe there will be a Conservative majority and that is good by all accounts.

Classical Mechanic said:
Why?
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I'd take whatever bollocks Colin says with a massive sea of salt...
 
sun_tzu said:
Whilst your in full fact check mode... Wanna tell me if this Guido exclusive is genuine



Can you fact check me what parts of this are not what the shadow health secretary thinks?



Imagine if twat Hancock had said this stuff... But even he's not enough of a twat to get caught
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This reminds me if the Facebook comments section where someone gets pulled up for spreading outright lies and then just start posting other things without addressing what they've done.
Why are you not even recognising what you did?
 
villain said:
I said that I wouldn't be surprised if it's the same people involved - that's more of an opinion rather than an implication, however the distinction is hardly important because we agree on the central point of all this; the blueprint has been set, and the onus is on the reader to be savvy enough to be able to distinguish the truth themselves.
I think most won't, at least not in the short term.
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I completely agree.

What I will say is though, it's hard for the average reader to be savvy enough. I mean everyone now blames the russians right? But do they know how easy it is to write a twitter bot? Do you?

It's not about the people involved, it's about actually educating the populace on how to navigate it all. That's the modern world, sadly.
 
Cheesy said:
I'm aware of that. My more general point though was that far-right politicians (or extreme politicians in general) will sometimes put forward popular policies in order to garner the support of the masses, but they have no deeper belief in said policies because they're merely trying to gain power to implement their own backwards agenda, particularly when it comes to issues like immigration etc.
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Yes but Le Pen hasn't even managed that yet, Le Pen has only one appeal, there are a fair number of dimwits in British politics but Le Pen easily rivals them.
 
CassiusClaymore said:
Hate to tell you this but the tone of discourse might be the most dangerous thing in your opinion but outside of that bubble some people might consider real people dying from policies inflicted upon them by this government to be slightly more pressing.

There are massive problems now and you do not bring people together by lying to them, cutting public services, pitting the poor against the poor and generally widening the gap between the have's and have not's. That way will lead to more resentment, more anger and will inevitably spill over into genuine civil unrest.
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Well said.

But but... the tone of discourse. Why are people so angry about deaths and poverty caused by policy?
 
Is there a reason why all the far right fake news sites look like they were made by a web designer who's been unemployed since 1995?
 
Maticmaker said:
It would appear that you also do some imagining as well, don't you?

We (you or I) don't know who took the photograph, or why? Do we?
We don't know how it got into the press either do we, or why??

Why would the childs parents want any proof of the situation? It would be a matter of hospital records and presumably there must have been lots of other witnesses around at the time, should proof be needed.

No one at the hospital has denied this unfortunate situation occurred!

This sad and probably frightening situation for this family has been used for political propaganda and whilst its clear all parties engaged in such examples, using personal and highly traumatic situations like this is hitting a new low, don't you think... or perhaps its you who is being disingenuous?
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Yes, I chose those words specifically. It wasn't an accident. In fact, it's almost like I was trying to make a point. Clearly it was wasted on you.
 
sebsheep said:
This reminds me if the Facebook comments section where someone gets pulled up for spreading outright lies and then just start posting other things without addressing what they've done.
Why are you not even recognising what you did?
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He's a troll.
 
Abizzz said:
Is there a reason why all the far right fake news sites look like they were made by a web designer who's been unemployed since 1995?
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Software developers tend to be progressive types. It’s why the guardian has some of the best engineers in the industry.

These far right sites im guessing are mostly hacked together by basement swelling neckbeards using rudimentary HTML and CSS or just copying shite templates online.
 
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