Centrist Stalin would fit nicely into the lib demsPoliticians of different stripes showing they can work together well and compromise.
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UK General Election - 12th December 2019 | Con 365, Lab 203, LD 11, SNP 48, Other 23 - Tory Majority of 80
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This is a joke before anyone loses their minds.
Did you ever answer why the Jewish man who runs Momentum would want to be anti-semitic? I can't keep up with all the crap you post from Guido.
What I have found really dissapointing is the BBC's view of 'balance' as, when they have a negative report about the Tories, brining up what they view as an equally negative report about Labour. It is if balance is pissing off both sides equally.
Excellent is overstating it but anyone with any sliver of knowledge about Nazi Germany will know that they had a number of very successful and popular policies. Like I said though, they were objectively evil, so good policies or not it should not have happened. As I said, it was an extreme example, but supporting policies that kills others because it's better for you is not a good thing for society.
Please tell us more about Hitler’s excellent policies
OK, Ken.
Hitler policies were not clear in order to appeal to as many as possible and achieve power. You can make a parallel with Brexit, which just like Nazi policies were whatever people wanted them to be. So while you may say they were "good or excellent policies" they never had any real intention to follow through as their populist strategy was simply to gain power.
Yeah, they've turned a fairer ideology into the bogeyman by using "socialism" as a pejorative term for decades. I always thought we were somehow better than that.
Please tell us more about Hitler’s excellent policies
Was waiting for the Stalin ones . Good luck in the UK.
Mao had some good policies too tbf. As did Pol Pot.
No we are not there. But I do believe that we can be. I am a believer in freedom of choice, opportunity and that aspiration is a good thing, which should be encouraged. I started work in 1975. So I remember that time quite well. The power of the unions and the country really being in ruins. I would not say that capitalism or free-market economics is the perfect system but for me it just feels more in line with human nature than any other. Everyone wants to get on, be successful if they can, look after their families. Pretty much most would want the dignity of doing that without state aid. I believe the state should intervene when things are not working but I fundamentally believe that you have to create wealth before you can share it. However, capitalism does need to be reminded from time to time that it isn't perfect as has been demonstrated through history with the guillotine and firing squad.
As far as this Tory government is concerned (if that is what it is to be) then my view is this: we can argue until the cows come home about whether the economic crash was caused by Labour or whether it was a global thing but it happened and both parties at the time agreed that austerity measures would be needed. This obviously caused a squeeze which was felt mostly by the poor and the result has been to open the door to the Left. Their arguments are popular will appeal particularly to those who are struggling. But there is the longer term to think about and what worries me is that, with Momentum, you can already see the constructs being put into place to take the country in a direction that I do not believe would be right for the UK or our allies.
I think Theresa May recognised that austerity was beginning to have that effect and hence her Downing Street speech where she spoke about 'Just about managings' I think there are many more in the Tory party that have the same view. There may have been some change were it not for Brexit which has put everything on hold. So now we have to resolve this issue before we can move on and on that I think Boris is right.
IF the Tories get in then it will be the first time they have been in power with money to spend this century. So we will see.
(Cue at least a dozen posters and 75 twitter pieces along with umpteen internet articles slicing rapier-like through my reasoning)
Oh thats easy, he must be one of those self hating types. Apparently there can't be any Jews who support JC, if they are, then they're fake news, secretly Muslim, or self hating.
Wasn't the central argument of the unions that the workers' pay was not rising in line with profits and the pay of the directors?
I mean, you could argue that had they won that battle, things would be far better now.
Or just someone who's political identity is more important to them than their ethnoreligious one.
Another day, another large crowd for the worlds most unpopular man..
Would never happen here
More of Labour's rabble rousing.
The BBC's bias is annoying, but should not deflect how poor this Labour incarnation is.
I barely watch anything on BBC or terrestrial TV full stop. My licence money can go towards .my Sky bill.
The self-righteous pomposity of some on the side of the left or remain is tedious and, at its worst, repugnant. The puerile name-calling helps no-one either.
If you look at the structure of the tax system at the time I don't think that argument holds much water. The fact is that in order to fund public services and, more especially, underperforming nationalised industries they had to increase the basic rate of income tax to 35%. Clearly this affects take-home pay and those industries (being heavily unionised) took to striking for more pay. It was more cost of living than anything else. So you had a spiral of tax-payer subsidised industries providing guaranteed jobs for workers producing goods that nobody wanted to buy. I am sure there were legitimate claims - management was pretty shitty in the 70's too. But the unions took it too far and in 1979 the country said no more.
As to whether that battle has been fought and won, maybe you are right. I still kind of wonder when I see the likes of McCluskey almost wetting his pants over the Labour manifesto.
It did in the referendum. Brexit was everything to everyone and Brexit party is just pushing the same lines as their policies.
If you watched the leaders debate Richard Tice he just kept saying we can do this after Brexit and this and this with no explanation on how anything most of which contradicts each other was achievable.
Diverse crowd behind Boris right now
Seems fair enough to me. For example, I think anyone that ever voted BNP is a racist clown. And that's me choosing a polite C word.
We really have reached Trump levels of stupidity.
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Jesus is anyone watching Boris now? The man is an absolute jibbering idiot.
More than 10 million people have viewed this Johnson clusterfeck just on Joe Pikes Twitter account in the last 24 hours. That is an astonishing reach and proof that the way we get our information is vastly changing and the influence of traditional media is waning. If we discount JOEPolitics tweet on NHS vs USA healthcare as that was retweeted greatly by Democrats to US audiences, this is probably the biggest UK audience reaching media clip in this election. The speed of it all is crazy.
You seem shocked?
You seem shocked?
Like Trump and his stunts, Johnson thinks his supporters are fools. The antics above are just a variation on the old, patronising 'Politician holds a pint of beer' photo op; he's thinking: 'They're simple, so they'll like this.'
I come from the opposite position. I consume BBC content far more than any other media: Radio 1 Radio 4, Radio 6 and iPlayer. The BBC is a crown jewel British brand and in my opinion massively important to British culture and the arts in particular. I don't think there's another body in the UK that does more to promote domestic creative talent in music, acting, writing etc. They also make some of the best educational programmes in the world. The Tories have long wanted to destroy it because the see it as a socialist endeavour and one they felt has worked against them in the past. It would be a great shame if the left consent to its destruction because of a handful of incidents from a tiny part of the organisation.
The left is full of supercilious twerps but doesn't produce violent terrorists like the right does.
And Jesus.
I was born mid 70s, so without having time to research, I'm inclined to believe this may contain some truth.
But then you close with this. Quite apart from the childishness of it. I hear far more of what McCluskey has said via right leaning posters on here than I ever do in the news. So that always raises my suspicions as to whether the person is raising the unions just as another attempted derogatory word like socialist or marxist.
How is it that you fear powerful groups of workers, whose power only comes from sheer numbers. But support more power for big business and those born into money? I just don't see the sense.
Whilst your in full fact check mode... Wanna tell me if this Guido exclusive is genuine
Can you fact check me what parts of this are not what the shadow health secretary thinks?
Imagine if twat Hancock had said this stuff... But even he's not enough of a twat to get caught
Well Boris talks shite obviously, but looking at our figures compared to others I'm not in a state of panic about our economy. It isn't great, but it isn't a disaster at the moment...lets see what happens after Brexit, it could get worse!
Actually Jon lansman is an atheist...
He was raised in a Jewish family but ones views and beliefs are not dictated by ones family are they?... Try reading the JLM submission to the ehrc if you want hundreds of examples of antisemitism (unless they are all smears made up by lying Jews to get jezbollah?)
Totally agree. And as far as current affairs goes I'd back a BBC user to be far more educated and open-minded than those immersed in their own social media bubbles any day.
Down with @Jippy . Up with the BBC!
If only there was a party offering a second referendum.
Indeed. This is quite common now with the revival of the far-right in parts of Europe - Le Pen and Salvini and co will often put forward domestic policies which aren't bad in principle and which may appeal to a fairly wide range of the population, but it has to be remembered that their economic approach will vary whatever way the wind is going, because ultimately their primary concerns are on social matters and on immigration etc, and they will do whatever they can around that to try and gain power. Trump is similar - his rhetoric of speaking up for common workers who had been left behind was, again, respectable in principle, but he had no actual intention to help these people once in power and his time in office has shown that he does not give a feck about the common man.
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