UK General Election - 12th December 2019 | Con 365, Lab 203, LD 11, SNP 48, Other 23 - Tory Majority of 80

How do you intend to vote in the 2019 General Election if eligible?

  • Brexit Party

    Votes: 30 4.3%

  • Conservatives

    Votes: 73 10.6%

  • DUP

    Votes: 5 0.7%

  • Green

    Votes: 23 3.3%

  • Labour

    Votes: 355 51.4%

  • Liberal Democrats

    Votes: 58 8.4%

  • Plaid Cymru

    Votes: 3 0.4%

  • Sinn Fein

    Votes: 9 1.3%

  • SNP

    Votes: 19 2.8%

  • UKIP

    Votes: 6 0.9%

  • Independent

    Votes: 1 0.1%

  • Other (BNP, Change UK, UUP and anyone else that I have forgotten)

    Votes: 10 1.4%

  • Not voting

    Votes: 57 8.3%

  • Undecided

    Votes: 41 5.9%
  • Total voters
    690
  • Poll closed .
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Redlambs said:
I completely agree.

What I will say is though, it's hard for the average reader to be savvy enough. I mean everyone now blames the russians right? But do they know how easy it is to write a twitter bot? Do you?

It's not about the people involved, it's about actually educating the populace on how to navigate it all. That's the modern world, sadly.
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Yep internet education is something that is vitality important. We're facing 3 obstacles imo; lack of education, lack of time to find the truth & the populace just not caring.

Education needs to be modernised to keep up with this new reality, but by the time it is - it will be too late.
 
Abizzz said:
Is there a reason why all the far right fake news sites look like they were made by a web designer who's been unemployed since 1995?
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Because website design is one of those things that only simpletons on the left do, and any bright mind go getter with the right attitude and a blue pin could probably do a better job. That's why Freddy rolled up his sleeves and had a go on his MacBook Pro.
 
rcoobc said:
So to be clear the tories over the last 24 hours have:


1) Lied to Laura Kuenssberg, and Robert Peston about their health advisor being attacked by Labour activists
2) Distracted from that lie being called out by calling the protestors manner into question (as if he's on trial).
3) Distracted from those lies by claiming the whole picture is staged. An account has been "hacked" (allegedly) to claim that the picture is false (despite the hospital apologising to the parents)
4) Then got Boris Johnson to announce that he's thinking of scraping TV Licences to distract the public conversation further

All to avoid talking about a little boy with pneumonia being treated on the hospital floor because there are no beds

and the thing is - everything I have just said is true, true, true

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Completely agree (no surprise) but you forgot the other piece - have Guido release the leaked conversation he's been saving for a rainy day to make sure that news overload is achieve.
 
Classical Mechanic said:
Is that even in the possible with the modern 24hr media and the demand to be on top of the news? I'm sure you could go through the BBC's coverage and draw a narrative of bias against the Tories if you were that way inclined.
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. Go on then. I’d love to see that!
I actually don’t think it’s possible.
 
Ultimate Grib said:
I you get out the media bubble and see what's happening on the ground you wouldn't think there was no chance whatsoever.

Let's wait for MRP results tonight and see if the previous predicted majority has shortened.
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Are they publishing at 10pm again?
 
Jippy said:
Are they publishing at 10pm again?
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Yes
https://yougov.co.uk/uk-general-election-2019/
Current projections
Conservative..........359
Labour.....................211
Snp….......................043
Libs.........................013
Plaid........................004
Greens.....................001
Other........................001
Ni*............................018

* They don't break ni down further
 
sun_tzu said:
Whilst your in full fact check mode... Wanna tell me if this Guido exclusive is genuine



Can you fact check me what parts of this are not what the shadow health secretary thinks?



Imagine if twat Hancock had said this stuff... But even he's not enough of a twat to get caught
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If you recall, It’s all quite similar to what my Labour MP told me during our call. His pitch to get my vote as a Remain voter was that labour can’t win, so I’m safe from higher taxes but it’s critical to retain existing labour seats to force a coalition and 2nd BrExit vote.

Seems like a perfectly sensible stance but should only be shared Under confidence or between very trusted people.

I guess difference is I didn’t record the call or identify my MP!
 
Fiskey said:
Is this happening though? I've had a fair amount of recent experience with the NHS, my Dad was in hospital for three months from December to February this year and my mother has also had two operations and multiple check ups. Of course there are issues, and I think @africanspur has highlighted them well in this thread. However overall the service has been good.
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Good compared to what?!?

I don’t think any party is advocating the NHS being in good shape.
 
villain said:
Yep internet education is something that is vitality important. We're facing 3 obstacles imo; lack of education, lack of time to find the truth & the populace just not caring.

Education needs to be modernised to keep up with this new reality, but by the time it is - it will be too late.
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It is, and way too late.

But I will say again, and this is not sticking up for anyone in any kind of way, that I'd be astounded if all the parties aren't using this kind of thing.

In fact, as a labour voter, I'd be more than annoyed if they haven't too.
 
Buster15 said:
Do you always do what your boss says...
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I don't actually do any work for him, so we rarely come into contact.

My guess is he will vote LibDem as he is a passionate remainer.

I also think there are a lot of disaffected Conservative voters in the South East who are likely to vote LibDem, although the opinion polls don't seem to bare that out.
 
Sweet Square said:
I'm surprised at how lazy they been during this election( Kuenssberg reporting and the question time ''debate'' yesterday were like a parody). There really is no reason why someone should pay their license fee when the outcome is pure shite.

The BBC needs mass reforms or to be broken up and the tax payers money going to local media instead(Granted this is just personal taste but why the feck is tax money been used to make cookery shows).

They clearly lost a lot good will from people.
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To non British people the point of the BBC is obvious. It is the propaganda arm of the British state. The BBC sells a warm, fuzzy, middlebrow, mediocre culture that gives people comfort. From Kermode and Mayo (and if the BBC's ethos could be distilled into one human it would be Simon Mayo) to Stephen Frears and David Attenborough. The BBC will never offend, shock or jolt you. I can assure you it isn't Boris Johnson or Jeremy Corbyn (who loves lecturing other nations on what they ought to do) who sell the UK's image abroad, it is the BBC and its self appointed 'national treasures'.
 
Rolandofgilead said:
Another day, another large crowd for the worlds most unpopular man..

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He’s popular amongst his following (obvious point of the day), and anyone in opposition is going to have more vocal supporters than an incumbent (again painfully obvious). However, he doesn’t have broad appeal - as we’ve seen on this thread, his supporters would rather fight the good fight and lose with Corbyn than have a progressive leader who would genuinely challenge this government.
 
Ultimate Grib said:
. It may be that Labour can even get enough seats to form a minority government in this parliament too. About 275 is the number I think.
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Presumably the SNP get what 45 in your projections... The libs 10... Northern Ireland 18 (assume around 10 for dup)
Plaid 3... Greens 1
So conservatives would be around 298?

If that happens you can walk into any polling company in the world and set you own wage
 
EwanI Ted said:
Those quotes from Jon Ashworth are pretty bad. Its a good bet he won't be in the shadow cabinet after the election is over. Someone's stitched him up good and proper.

Edit: Or the Cabinet, obviously.
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Shame, one of the better ones left in the shadow cabinet.
 
Redlambs said:
It is, and way too late.

But I will say again, and this is not sticking up for anyone in any kind of way, that I'd be astounded if all the parties aren't using this kind of thing.

In fact, as a labour voter, I'd be more than annoyed if they haven't too.
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Pexbo said:
Right @sun_tzu I've done a little bit of investigation work.

Here's the image you posted:
Labour-whatsapp-taxis-without-times.png



It's hosted by Guido Fawkes as you well know and as I knew when I asked the question.

Here's the link: https://i2.wp.com/order-order.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/12/Labour-whatsapp-taxis-without-times.png


Something struck me as a little bit odd about this.

"without-times"

So I removed "without-times" and I got this image:

Labour-whatsapp-taxis.png


As you can see, it's still hosted on the same domain. order-order.com and the times show that the images were posted at 17:54 on wards.




This tweet was posted half an hour before the whatsapp messages supposedly happened. The whatsapp messages also suggest it was still light at nearly 6pm yesterday.




So do yourself a fecking favour and stop filling your head with pure disinformation. You are either trusting these people to inform you or it's just political fiction porn that you get off on. Either way can you do us all a favour here and keep it out of this thread from now on because you're embarrassing yourself.
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@sun_tzu really needs to end his Guido problem. It is a disinformation centre. I've told him many times.
 
Sassy Colin said:
I don't actually do any work for him, so we rarely come into contact.

My guess is he will vote LibDem as he is a passionate remainer.

I also think there are a lot of disaffected Conservative voters in the South East who are likely to vote LibDem, although the opinion polls don't seem to bare that out.
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I was listening to radio 5live this morning and someone gave a perfect assessment of Boris:
He is terrible at dealing with pressure situations and whenever he is put under pressure and does not have a scripted response, he resorts to his bumbling lying self often saying the first stupid thing that comes into his head.

For those who support him, just think of what he could do when subjected to real ministerial pressure.

What he is most certainly not is someone with clarity of thought and a pragmatic logical leader.
 
ClaytonBlackmoorLeftPeg said:
He’s popular amongst his following (obvious point of the day), and anyone in opposition is going to have more vocal supporters than an incumbent (again painfully obvious). However, he doesn’t have broad appeal - as we’ve seen on this thread, his supporters would rather fight the good fight and lose with Corbyn than have a progressive leader who would genuinely challenge this government.
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Presuming there's no shock result and Labour lose as expected I'm genuinely intrigued to see what will happen in regards to the party leadership after the election. Corbyn would almost certainly stand down, but you'd imagine his wing of the party remains strong enough to try and retain control afterwards in some form. But then you wonder if a grim electoral defeat may alienate a lot of his supporters who still seem to hold hope that the party will win on Thursday: it'll be difficult for the left to claim they're still in the best position to reform the country if they've lost two successive elections and have shown they don't really have a way to actually gain power.

But even if the party does take a veer away from the left, I struggle to see it going back to what it was before. Too much has changed and it's clear there is plenty of support for certain left-wing policies and ideas across the country, even if Corbyn seems unable to harness those into winning an election.
 
Buster15 said:
I was listening to radio 5live this morning and someone gave a perfect assessment of Boris:
He is terrible at dealing with pressure situations and whenever he is put under pressure and does not have a scripted response, he resorts to his bumbling lying self often saying the first stupid thing that comes into his head.

For those who support him, just think of what he could do when subjected to real ministerial pressure.

What he is most certainly not is someone with clarity of thought and a pragmatic logical leader.
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Not really sure how this relates to my post, although I don't disagree with you.
 
EwanI Ted said:
That was the second biggest surplus recorded since the WW2 era, and is the only time that a surplus of that scale has been recorded two years in a row. You're proposing a surplus that is up to 300% larger, and you're saying that it should happen for up to 7 years in a row. Those two propositions are radically different.

I'm intrigued, what do you think the consequences would be to economic growth of taking that much money out of the economy?
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I wasn't saying that there should have been a £50b surplus 7 years in a row. I'm saying that provided spending to GDP was maintained from 2000 levels we could have achieved close to that level by the end of the period. So for example let's say that we maintained a spend of 34% to GDP throughout that period (as it was in 2000). Over the period 2000 - 2007 we'd have seen a total surplus of around £130b total with a surplus of over £40b in 2007. I don't think maintaining spend to GDP is at all radical or damaging to growth, given that this would mean spending increases of a still huge level of 5% per annum.

Hell even a fixed spending increase of 5% compounded year on year since 2000:

Spending in 2000 - £390b (status quo)
Spending in 2019 - £853b (status quo)

No austerity whatsoever, huge and inflation busting 5% spending increases every single year and less total debt.

I could talk about something truly radical that would have restricted growth, such as capped 3% spending increases per annum which would see a £102b surplus in 2007 (£552b total 2000-2007) on a purely linear (and therefore fallacious) basis. I personally though wouldn't see stabilising GDP growth by fixing spending as a completely bad thing as it would mitigate the boom/bust cycles we currently see (ie 9% spending increases when times are good (2003) and then 1% when times are bad 2013 / 2015).
 
Fluctuation0161 said:
So what is it then? Do they just enjoy maximising personal profit while squeezing the poor folk?
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Traditionally a lot of Tory voters would have argued that they were being pragmatic and voting for a party who were fiscally responsible, even if rather cnutish in many respects. They'd argue that while left-wing Labour governments may be well-intentioned they aren't necessarily good at running the economy and end up indirectly harming lots of people anyway, even if they'd like to help them.

I'd say that's a fairly simplistic analysis anyway, and it's not necessarily one I'd have agreed in, but it was one you could perhaps at least understand to a certain extent.

But I'd say Brexit's flipped all of that. It should reveal to anyone who votes Tory that the party aren't primarily concerned at all with economic security and responsibility - when they find an ideological policy they want to pursue they'll abandon their supposed fiscal realism completely. Similarly, it's brought to the fore the narrow-minded and insular anti-immigration rhetoric which exists among many on the right. Even if you think Corbyn would be disastrous for the country, it's difficult to vote Tory with a straight face and claim you're voting for the sensible, realistic and moderate party who are reluctant and wary to pursue change.
 
Cheesy said:
Presuming there's no shock result and Labour lose as expected I'm genuinely intrigued to see what will happen in regards to the party leadership after the election. Corbyn would almost certainly stand down, but you'd imagine his wing of the party remains strong enough to try and retain control afterwards in some form. But then you wonder if a grim electoral defeat may alienate a lot of his supporters who still seem to hold hope that the party will win on Thursday: it'll be difficult for the left to claim they're still in the best position to reform the country if they've lost two successive elections and have shown they don't really have a way to actually gain power.

But even if the party does take a veer away from the left, I struggle to see it going back to what it was before. Too much has changed and it's clear there is plenty of support for certain left-wing policies and ideas across the country, even if Corbyn seems unable to harness those into winning an election.
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assuming labour do loose and it’s a Tory majority, the political landscape will be very different in 5 years time. Whether labour change or persist down this road I really don’t know. Labour succeeded in 1997 because the modernised - this needs to happen again, Corbyn and MacDonnel are dinosaurs. They need to marginalise momentum and the unions to succeed, but I doubt that’s happening.
 
ClaytonBlackmoorLeftPeg said:
assuming labour do loose and it’s a Tory majority, the political landscape will be very different in 5 years time. Whether labour change or persist down this road I really don’t know. Labour succeeded in 1997 because the modernised - this needs to happen again, Corbyn and MacDonnel are dinosaurs. They need to marginalise momentum and the unions to succeed, but I doubt that’s happening.
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I think this is partially true but also a simplistic analysis in certain respects - the Tories were just completely done by 1997 and were incredibly scandal-ridden; I reckon any half-decent Labour leader would have won, even if Blair did have his own appeal to swathes of the population.

Corbyn and McDonnell themselves have incredibly problematic pasts in certain respects and it's clear Corbyn just isn't liked by a lot of the country, but at the same time a lot of the left-wing policies they propose are broadly popular and could be vote winners. It'd be a mistake for Labour not to try and harness that moving forward, especially because genuine economic change is needed to help those who have fecked over in the past decade or so by austerity.
 
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