UK General Election - 12th December 2019 | Con 365, Lab 203, LD 11, SNP 48, Other 23 - Tory Majority of 80
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So who did take the photograph, and why did they share it, and with whom???
I cannot imagine the lads family would want it for the family album, or send it to the newspapers/media, maybe the hospital wanted it for their next glossy brochure showing how poorly they treat their younger patients.
Underfunding of the NHS we know is a given, extended patient waiting times/list are also something now reaching epidemic proportions, that is why all parties in the GE are promising more money. However, it is surely not right to leave a child who is ill, on the floor, a chair or a trolley, or even a bench surely could be found? Its even worse still to compound the situation by taking a photograph of him in that desperate situation... unless of course you have ulterior motives, especially around election time.
I voted Tory. I guess I'd better prepare for eternal damnation then.
Yes it is incredibly sad and I hate this government and I've hated being governed by them for the last 9 years. I would not describe them as evil though. It's rather a pointless debate though as you and others have already said anybody who votes Tory is evil so let's just leave it there.
Colin will see you there!
I wouldn't say anyone who votes tory is evil but clearly the tory mp's are(I prefer calling them vermin). But as you said we won't agree.
Kuenssberg is clearly both unable to hide her bias and has been promoted beyond her ability.
When it comes to the BBC as a whole though it's notable that they have led the news and political programs yesterday and today with the boy on the floor photograph, covering it in depth. And as an item it's going to make the election result a lot closer than it was looking, and might even turn it. I'm watching Jo Coburn laying into Tory guy on Politics Live, again, and there's no way she's giving him an easy ride.
Kuenssberg shouldn't be there, but criticising the BBC in general comes across as 'blaming the referee' for me.
It is effectively a binary choice when you exclude the options that won’t make a difference, e.g not voting or voting Lib Dem’s etc.
so given a choice of labour and Tories, I choose Tories - there’s no need to be so dramatic and antagonistic about the whole thing.
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I have two friends standing in this election for the Conservatives (one will win) and they certainly aren't evil or vermin.
Can't really say I have seen any real hard right on here. Who's that then?
Probably the most Machiavellian thing the Tories have done in this campaign is manufacturing the consent to abolish the BBC. Can't wait for the eternal bleating from the lefties about how rancid our American style media is once the public funded broadcasters disappear.
Is your friend Boris Johnson?
I have also said multiple times that I am passionately pro-Remain and could not vote for a pro-leave party. Also, that it doesn't matter who I vote for, because May it my MP. We used to get a lot of loony candidates, having PM as our MP, but there will be a lot less of them now.
Ken Clarke ?
The way Corbyn fans talk about the BBC always puts me in mind of BlueMoon and their perpetual hysteria about the FA.
You missed the point. I get that though, as people are attacked for not being Labour on here.
I meant that's how it's seen, one way or the other. There's no middle ground, no give.
For example I don't agree at all with your views on housing. In fact you are plain wrong there, you cherry pick areas that are affordable but have no real understanding of why people are so angry about it. However I wouldn't say that instantly makes you hard right and "evil" as it now comes up, and I don't believe constantly mocking you for your views will help anything but entrenchment.
The unnecessary cuts made to the NHS and other public services have knowingly lead to thousands of deaths and widespread misery. Seems pretty evil to me.
Well at least you're honest, John.
Exactly. There's a choice between continuing to subject people to the same horrible policies that has led to misery and division across Britain or not doing that. You would choose the continued suffering.
It’s not just been her though. You’d have every right to blame the referee if he started doctoring VAR footage to benefit one side. Kuenssberg’s been the absolute worst offender but the rest of the BBC have hardly come out of this election without questionable incident.
In order to get more into the theme of Corbyn's policies the Corbynistas have decided to form a tribute band to the 1960s/70s group the Self-Righteous Brothers.
You used to mock me for my views on Sony
You were (and still in some ways are) an easily lead newbie following an old weirdo around.
I simply used tough love to show you there was life beyond the cell.
you break it down to a single line, and pass off your opinion as fact.
I dont believe that is the case, and my opinion is that a labour government would be worse for this country. Doesn’t make me evil, doesn’t make me a hard right winger, doesn’t mean I don’t care.
They have a gravy train and want to keep it.
It has been that way for years, finally people see it.
A slight rework
“With or without politics, good people can behave well and bad people can do evil; but for good people to do evil - that takes toryism.
Sorry but if your friends(who I'm sure are nice people on a individual level), win(I really hope they don't) then the policies they'll put into actions will literally kill people. I can get how someone voting tory in their own self interest feels a bit abstract from the cruelty that comes with a tory government(Although they really shouldn't be)but activity trying to get into power, in order to take away benefits from disabled people and to continue selling weapons to the Saudi Royal family is on whole other level.
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It does mean that there are certain things you care about more than others though. Which is fair enough. Some people, however, are horrified by the actions of the Tory Government and will consider your vote an enabler for hard right wing positions and policies that inflict great harm on the vulnerable. So they may get a bit chippy. Which is also fair enough.
Is it a gravy train or the fact they’re petrified of Tory threats to ‘reform’ the BBC and licensing model?
Is that even in the possible with the modern 24hr media and the demand to be on top of the news? I'm sure you could go through the BBC's coverage and draw a narrative of bias against the Tories if you were that way inclined.
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Ta... Must also find time to rejoin the labour party to vote against the next momentum mouthpiece and try to take the party back from the antisemites
Is there a difference?
I understand that it isn't a single issue. Austerity has killed thousands, that is a fact. For me, continued austerity is a red line because it is almost guaranteed to kill thousands more. If it's not a red line for you, that's your own decision. The conversation, if you recall, started by talking about those protesters rights to protest. Fiskey telling me there is no place for that sort of protest, me taking up the position that if there are policies killing others, they should be commended for protesting.
As I recall in 2009 following the crash and before they lost the 2010 election, Labour were drawing up plans to make cuts that were worse than those Tories/LibDems eventually made. Plus a lot of Labour MP's voted for cuts in parliament so lets not get all puritanical about this. https://www.independent.co.uk/news/...against-the-tories-welfare-bill-10404831.html
I don’t think it’s fair to indiscriminately label Tory voters as ‘evil’. My own take is that their voters are either voting for monetary self-benefit (which you could argue as being indicative of being greedy/selfish but hardly evil), or they’re ignorant to the actual implications of their policies and have lapped up their far-fetched promises/assurances (no thanks to the media).
Using strong and hyperbolic language to smear them is hardly going to win them over, because like the Brexit vote they’ll just double down and accuse you of being a condescending elitist. The actual Tories realise this and play at it, constantly belittling the “so called experts who never stop telling us what’s right for us”.
Tory politicians on the other hand can go feck themselves. Using lies, fear-mongering and divisive tactics to manipulate the public opinion to serve your own prestigious circle, indifferent to the suffering that’s likely to follow is just pure sociopathic cuntery IMO, and that’s a sentiment I won’t apologise for.
Using strong and hyperbolic language to smear them is hardly going to win them over, because like the Brexit vote they’ll just double down and accuse you of being a condescending elitist. The actual Tories realise this and play at it, constantly belittling the “so called experts who never stop telling us what’s right for us”.
Tory politicians on the other hand can go feck themselves. Using lies, fear-mongering and divisive tactics to manipulate the public opinion to serve your own prestigious circle, indifferent to the suffering that’s likely to follow is just pure sociopathic cuntery IMO, and that’s a sentiment I won’t apologise for.
New Labour doing neo conservative things... well I'm surprised.
Sure, but on the balance of things I think it’s quite obvious that their numerous “hiccups” have strongly benefited the Tories more than their opponents. I’ve yet to see them edit footage of Corbyn to make him appear in a more positive light and I’ve also not yet seen Kuenssberg exercise the same due diligence in exploring claims from Labour as she has for the Tories.
This is more what I was getting at. My grand parents both vote Tory, they're two of the best people I know, unfortunately they read the DM.
Same tactics used in the America, wouldn't be surprised if it's the same people involved too.
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