The guy is speaking to him directly seconds before, saying "You look after these people? They've absolutely devastated our country", and then starts shouting again.
I would definitely feel threatened.
UK General Election - 12th December 2019 | Con 365, Lab 203, LD 11, SNP 48, Other 23 - Tory Majority of 80
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The guy is speaking to him directly seconds before, saying "You look after these people? They've absolutely devastated our country", and then starts shouting again.
I would definitely feel threatened.
I've always rather respected BBC, but doesn't it feel weird that every week now we see them reporting on a piece of news visibly very damaging for Labour only to admit after few hours it was a "mistake", they were "misled" or "new facts emerged". Rarely does it happen that they get it wrong and publish stuff too hastily when it comes to Tories.
The tone of the discourse during this election is the most dangerous thing, whatever happens the country needs to come together or there could be massive problems in the future.
I don't know how it can be fixed, but people need to stop believing that people who have a different opinion to their own are in some way evil or working for some secret agenda. Any leader who encourages this kind of thinking should be heavily condemned, as a well functioning society needs a level of cohesion.
I don't know how it can be fixed, but people need to stop believing that people who have a different opinion to their own are in some way evil or working for some secret agenda. Any leader who encourages this kind of thinking should be heavily condemned, as a well functioning society needs a level of cohesion.
Fair point, albeit there have only been a handful of defections, though I see little Also how accurate and up to date are local polls?
Tories really are bonkers.
What do you think happened?
A man walked into someones outstretched hand because he wasn't looking where he was going.
Thing is you're reflexively defending the man and ignoring the fact that 2 Tory sources said assault and no one fact checked. A man could have ended up charged with assault if there was no video. Due to lying Tories and the press that laps up their lies.
What I'm saying is he could well have thought he was assaulted due to the situation. If someone has been demonstrating the level of anger the cyclist had towards your group, and then you feel yourself getting hit in the face, I don't think that is an unreasonable conclusion. Thankfully there was a video to clear things up.
Yeah they've become a bit shit really. It started with the referendum campaign for me when they let every lie the charlatans could come up with pass as "opinion". They're little more than the conservatives press office now.
These kind of posts sadly shows just how partisan and biased everyone is towards their echo chamber and especially BJ supporters who will find excuses for any Tory behaviours.
Hate to tell you this but the tone of discourse might be the most dangerous thing in your opinion but outside of that bubble some people might consider real people dying from policies inflicted upon them by this government to be slightly more pressing.
There are massive problems now and you do not bring people together by lying to them, cutting public services, pitting the poor against the poor and generally widening the gap between the have's and have not's. That way will lead to more resentment, more anger and will inevitably spill over into genuine civil unrest.
Interesting ... but also the spectator summer party 2019Agree it's really odd.
Disinformation from the Tories in a desperate attempt to get the days narrative away from Boris acting like a childish heartless sociopath.
I also think that Laura Kuenssberg is right to call the scenes "grim", and I would say just the same to people shouting at Jeremy Corbyn. There should be no place for this level of anger in public discourse, we've already seen where it can lead with the murder of Jo Cox. Shouting at public figures while they are doing their jobs should not be tolerated.
And they call labour a cult! Youve been brainwashed pal.
I don't believe it was disinformation, I don't think anyone had seen the video by then. I do however believe that they were were trying to distract from Boris acting like a childish heartless sociopath with a story they thought was real.
I think I liked the Unicorn tourettes better than you being deliberately disingenuous.Interesting ... but also the spectator summer party 2019
I don't think you're showing enough empathy to a guy who is being confronted by angry members of the public for just doing his job.
Bloody hell...
Christ on a bike.
Tbf he was called a disgrace (which he is) and was told he wasn't welcome at the hospital. I'd like to think as one of the most powerful people in government he'd be thick skinned enough to handle that. People are rightly angry at the state of the NHS at the moment and as the guy in charge of Health in this country he can't have any complaints about people complaining.
The only thing I disagreed with from the protester was the idea of Hancock not being welcome in the country when he was born here. Was a bit odd. But again, these people have a right to be angry when their local hospital doesn't have enough beds because of Tory austerity.
Wow. I guess if your elderly parent or child dies in a poorly funded NHS hospital because there aren't enough beds or doctors this winter, you'll be sure to make your displeasure known to the politicians with sufficient decorum?
this is worrying. And frankly I am not sure where it’s come from. I am a big sceptic of Corbyn, and don’t think it’s ideology will work and think we will be worse off as a country if he gets in. However, I don’t go down the route of demonising his supporters. I think They have a massive blind spot - but I say nothing viscous.
On the other hand, if you say you are going to vote Tory - the bile, vitriol and pure hatred that comes across in this thread (hope to god it’s not indicative of real life), is frankly horrendous.
I would love to have a rational discussion about ideas and ideologies without all the hate. This is one of the reasons political debate is stifled. it hasn’t come from Corbyn, who I think is well intentioned, I just fundamentally disagree with his approach. Very interesting.
You are right - there seems to be a large proportion of people who think everyone who voted a different way in the referendum and who vote a different way in the GE are evil, Cnuts etc which we have seen a lot of in this thread. The reality is most people reside in the middle ground and there is a lot of agreement. Sad times.
Worse still, we forget that the Twitter that we experience is not the same Twitter that anyone else experiences. It's easy to believe that the country has turned or is turning a corner but the reality is that if you ask most people what their impression is, they will tell you that they think most people on Twitter are coming around to { insert their point of view here }. The reality of the situation is that they are just noticing different people saying things they like because the algorithms are showing them the sort of posts they reply to, like, retweet or even just read for more than a few seconds.
I've not done it myself but I'm told that it's a really interesting experience to create a new Twitter account and start liking and following a bunch of people on the opposite side of the spectrum to you. Then after a week or two you realise just how tailored your news cycle and perspective of the world is. It's constant reinforcement through confirmation bias and is why the world is getting more tribal and more entrenched in their opinions.
But everyone was agreeing it was wrong. Hancock, Johnson and the NHS Trust all apologised. Hancock was there to try and understand what went wrong, which is at the moment still his job as health secretary.
I'm not saying people can't complain, its this rent-a-mob shouting and calling individuals a disgrace that I think is completely wrong.
Rent-a-mob?
Is this happening though? I've had a fair amount of recent experience with the NHS, my Dad was in hospital for three months from December to February this year and my mother has also had two operations and multiple check ups. Of course there are issues, and I think @africanspur has highlighted them well in this thread. However overall the service has been good.
It seems as if there are people who go wherever politicians are to shout at them. I can only assume this is organised somewhat professionally, I have no idea where a politician is until I've seen it on the news.
You don't really need to be on Twitter to be influenced by it though, this story is going around the Facebook as well despite it being debunked, and people will talk about this with the people they know. Maybe people who think it's fake were voting Tories anyway, but this story is just a small part of constant false information being spread around on these platforms and others. That's a massive problem for people trying to figure out what is actually going on.
Yes...
https://www.theguardian.com/society...ients-die-waiting-for-beds-in-hospitals-study
You'll be able to buy 'fast track tickets' soon though I'm sure so you'll be ok.
So your sample of two were ok? If you are able to get in for an appointment it is good, but I was given a two month wait for a procedure a few weeks back
The last two times I've been to A&E, it was a 4 hour+ wait.
The backlogs are huge and getting worse.
Not sure anybody has alleged they paid the people... Though there are allegations they paid for the transport to get them there
You will struggle to find a more left leaning critic of Corbyn than me in this thread. @sun_tzu perhaps.
And yet if you’re being serious in these posts as opposed to being a silly WUM, then we really are screwed.
Any ‘toxicity’ in this country right now is purely the work of the conservatives with Boris Johnson right at the front of the queue. They took an internal party issue on EU membership to the country. Failed to win for the vote they advocated. Failed to agree a BrExit deal within their own party and with the opposition. And then lost their shit like self entitled children in parliament because of their self inflicted failures. They cynically and strategically used dog whistling and extremely offensive language as slogans to energise their base with hate and anger, demonised opposition parties as traitors for simply doing their job and conducted a character assassination smear hit job on Corbyn for supposedly being a racist. And have then used skulduggery and fake news as a core election communications strategy.
And you have the audacity and chutzpah to make posts like the one above. You seriously can’t believe this? Else you have been so truly brainwashed. Fcuk me! Seriously time for you and your ilk to jog on.
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Right, you have no idea where politicians are so can only assume that these protests of 10-15 people must be professionally organised. Fantastic logic.
I mean a hospital with thousands of distressed patients, visitors and staff in it and a politician turns up in their motorcade with their entourage before doing PR work around the hospital. I’m completely at a loss too trying to work out how this handful of people might have formed around the exit where a bunch of government cars were waiting.
To be honest I don't agree with buying a guy a bike and full cycling equipment just to get him to protest.
Not sure anybody has alleged they paid the people... Though there are allegations they paid for the transport to get them there
Could you quickly pop a source on that image for us?
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