UK General Election - 12th December 2019 | Con 365, Lab 203, LD 11, SNP 48, Other 23 - Tory Majority of 80

How do you intend to vote in the 2019 General Election if eligible?

  • Brexit Party

    Votes: 30 4.3%

  • Conservatives

    Votes: 73 10.6%

  • DUP

    Votes: 5 0.7%

  • Green

    Votes: 23 3.3%

  • Labour

    Votes: 355 51.4%

  • Liberal Democrats

    Votes: 58 8.4%

  • Plaid Cymru

    Votes: 3 0.4%

  • Sinn Fein

    Votes: 9 1.3%

  • SNP

    Votes: 19 2.8%

  • UKIP

    Votes: 6 0.9%

  • Independent

    Votes: 1 0.1%

  • Other (BNP, Change UK, UUP and anyone else that I have forgotten)

    Votes: 10 1.4%

  • Not voting

    Votes: 57 8.3%

  • Undecided

    Votes: 41 5.9%
  • Total voters
    690
  • Poll closed .
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Sassy Colin said:
wtf do you mean by that?

What have ever done to you, btw?

You used to be a really nice guy, what happened to turn you into this nasty, bitter, angry little shit?

You really need to get some help and work on yourself instead of working yourself up into a rage about everything and everyone.

You're better than this, you've shown that in the past.
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Hey chill out, there's no need to be so cold hearted on here. Rather than ranting(Which is not the best way to break the ice with someone btw) at @Pexbo just give him the cold shoulder for a bit.

Honestly mate, you don't want to ice-olated yourself from the rest of the forum.
 
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finneh said:
I think capital expenditure and day to day spending can be categorised somewhat differently. If in 2007 the UK were investing an extra £100b a year on top of "normal" capital expenditure in solely one off capital projects... That's to say that if Labour in 2007 were running a £45b deficit (as they were), but that a £50b surplus would be achievable outside of short term/exceptional capital projects, then I could see your point. That wasn't the case though. There were increases in capital expenditure, but the majority of the 6.5% year on year increases were in day to day spending. The "problem" with this is that it's exceptionally difficult to wind back day to day spending, whereas it's far more simple to wind back capital expenditure (likewise it's easy to reverse tax cuts).

Had the Tories got into office and been able to cut capital investment by £100b on day one then of course there wouldn't have been any need for any "cuts" to day to day spending.
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A £50bn surplus? At a time when total economic growth was in the £60-80bn pa range? That’s an absurd suggestion. You’d have slashed economic growth to almost zero and the impact on the private sector would probably have led to mass unemployment. £5bn is a more realistic number to consider. £50bn is nonsense.
 
Sassy Colin said:
wtf do you mean by that?

What have ever done to you, btw?

You used to be a really nice guy, what happened to turn you into this nasty, bitter, angry little shit?

You really need to get some help and work on yourself instead of working yourself up into a rage about everything and everyone.

You're better than this, you've shown that in the past.
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That's how the cool kids talk to each other on social media these days. On the face of it, it looks like they're having a conversation, but really they're just getting on a pedestal and speaking down to people different to them.

I think it shows a tragic lack of empathy, personally, which is particularly jarring given us folks on the left are supposed to be the compassionate ones. And it does legitimately seem like that only grows as those norms become more entrenched in social media / online communication more broadly.

But in fairness Colin, you don't exactly make it easy. If you can't see that there's a deep problem with housing prices and accessibility then it's only because you're not looking hard enough.

Irony
 
EwanI Ted said:
A £50bn surplus? At a time when total economic growth was in the £60-80bn pa range? That’s an absurd suggestion. You’d have slashed economic growth to almost zero and the impact on the private sector would probably have led to mass unemployment. £5bn is a more realistic number to consider. £50bn is nonsense.
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A £50b surplus by the end of the 2000 - 2007 period. A period that began with a £16b surplus and saw 3% per annum GDP growth.
 
We've really met the challenge to lower ourselves to the standard of US politics haven't we.

Not only have our government and ministers lied about the assault and that labour activists were shipped in. Now you've got bots posting the same "I've got a friend and the photo was faked" with the telegraph now picking it up ffs.
 
Smores said:
We've really met the challenge to lower ourselves to the standard of US politics haven't we.

Not only have our government and ministers lied about the assault and that labour activists were shipped in. Now you've got bots posting the same "I've got a friend and the photo was faked" with the telegraph now picking it up ffs.
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To be fair I can see why the guy thought he was assaulted. They are shouting shame on you and as he's trying to walk away he feels that he gets hit in the head.
 
Fiskey said:
To be fair I can see why the guy thought he was assaulted. They are shouting shame on you and as he's trying to walk away he feels that he gets hit in the head.
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I don't agree with everything you say, but you've made a few good points in this thread over the last few weeks. This isn't one of them.
 
sammsky1 said:
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And now accounts with 4M followers are spreading that nonsense



There's a statement from LGI confirming there weren't any beds:

Dr Yvette Oade, Chief Medical Officer at Leeds Teaching Hospitals NHS Trust said: “Our hospitals are extremely busy at the moment and we are very sorry that Jack’s family had a long wait in our Emergency Department.

"Our Chief Executive Julian Hartley has spoken to Jack’s mum and offered a personal apology.

“We have seen a significant increase in the number of people visiting our Paediatric Emergency Department, and this week we saw the highest attendances we have seen since April 2016.

"Despite this, our staff are working tirelessly to provide the best possible care under these extreme pressures.

“Jack was quickly assessed upon arrival and seen in two different clinical treatment rooms in the Paediatric Emergency Department.

“Within four hours a decision was made to admit Jack to our Children’s Assessment and Treatment (CAT) Unit for further monitoring overnight.

"Unfortunately, the unit was also experiencing exceptionally high levels of demand which meant that Jack was required to wait in the clinical treatment room in the Paediatric Emergency Department until a bed became available.

"Jack was admitted to the CAT Unit later that evening and was discharged home the following morning after a medical review.

“We are extremely sorry that there were only chairs available in the treatment room, and no bed. This falls below our usual high standards, and for this we would like to sincerely apologise to Jack and his family.

“We are increasing the bed availability in our Children’s Hospital and our Children’s Assessment and Treatment Unit will be relocating to a larger area in the new year.

"We are continuing to develop the plans for our new Children’s Hospital in Leeds which will be built in 2025.”
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Got to say I'm surprised it took so long for a comment like this to show up:

Maticmaker said:
Has any Hospital spokesperson given a formal explanation of why this situation arose? Are the Hospital management suggesting/admitting that they couldn't find one bed in the whole of the hospital? It is an awful situation but it seems a bit convenient that photographers were there.

Boris's reaction to the photograph is strange however, but he like most people would be shocked and think surely even with a lack of funding the hospital administrators could have found a bed, or something better!
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You can see the statement above.
 
Rolandofgilead said:
This has been a bad day for the Tories. It’s the hope that kills you, ya know?
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They've managed to turn it around with accounts with millions of followers tweeting claims the photo was faked/staged, and
yesterday's events aren't even mentioned in most of today's front pages. Big story seems to be about Boris scrapping the licence fee.
 
Think we can sometimes forget the fact that most of the country isn't on Twitter. Think the damage is already done to the Tories with regards to the photo, those who believe it is a fake are staunch Conservatives anyway.

That said, doubt it will change things too much.
 
sammsky1 said:
Read both threads
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Oh gosh, and this is from Laura’s article about Boris’s ‘Bad day’..

“The story, and the prime minister's weird and wooden response to it, provided the perfect chance for Labour to punch at one of the Conservatives' vulnerabilities, just when they were trying to make a big play for voters who have traditionally stuck with the Labour Party for generations. “

Guess what she doesn’t actually mention directly at all..
 
Jippy said:
Interesting study showing that around one in five plan to vote 'tactically', but only a third know who came second in their constituency at the last GE, rising to 46% in marginals.
Well-meaning, but misguided.

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/comment/many-tactical-votes-will-be-cast-in-ignorance-j5bnzd7nw
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Who finished 2nd in 2017 would only be relevant in a static poliitical environment, there have been significant changes in many constituences since 2017 such as high profile defections to the Lib Dems of locally popular high profile candidates and a general recovery of the Lib Dems image. What voters need to know is the most recent polling in their consituency, which can be found on the tactical voting sites.
 
finneh said:
A £50b surplus by the end of the 2000 - 2007 period. A period that began with a £16b surplus and saw 3% per annum GDP growth.
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That was the second biggest surplus recorded since the WW2 era, and is the only time that a surplus of that scale has been recorded two years in a row. You're proposing a surplus that is up to 300% larger, and you're saying that it should happen for up to 7 years in a row. Those two propositions are radically different.

I'm intrigued, what do you think the consequences would be to economic growth of taking that much money out of the economy?
 
Kentonio said:
Oh gosh, and this is from Laura’s article about Boris’s ‘Bad day’..

“The story, and the prime minister's weird and wooden response to it, provided the perfect chance for Labour to punch at one of the Conservatives' vulnerabilities, just when they were trying to make a big play for voters who have traditionally stuck with the Labour Party for generations. “

Guess what she doesn’t actually mention directly at all..
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She's hilariously biased. Not remotely a journalist but a Tory spokeswoman/fan girl.
 
Smores said:
We've really met the challenge to lower ourselves to the standard of US politics haven't we.
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Whilst we maintain fptp I think it's inevitable that our politics will become as divided and adversarial as theirs

Sadly I can't see either of the 2 main parties agreeing to pr so yeah looks like we are stuck with this for the foreseeable
 
Smores said:
Oh okay then :rolleyes:
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CassiusClaymore said:
No you really couldn't. There's no need to play devils advocate on this one.
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Ady87 said:
I don't agree with everything you say, but you've made a few good points in this thread over the last few weeks. This isn't one of them.
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Imagine if you were in that situation, you would feel threatened. There are some angry people shouting in your face.

You can see him react to the guy and say something after the hand accidentally hits his face, and the guy doing the pointing says "I was pointing my hand and you walked into it". Unless you believe the Conservative staffer saw the outstretched hand, decided it was an opportunity to make political capital and deliberately walked into it, it looks to me like a genuine misunderstanding.
 
Fiskey said:
Imagine if you were in that situation, you would feel threatened. There are some angry people shouting in your face.

You can see him react to the guy and say something after the hand accidentally hits his face, and the guy doing the pointing says "I was pointing my hand and you walked into it". Unless you believe the Conservative staffer saw the outstretched hand, decided it was an opportunity to make political capital and deliberately walked into it, it looks to me like a genuine misunderstanding.
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No I wouldn't. The guy isn't even looking at him. And neither is the other guy looking where he is walking. Stop talking nonsense.
 
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