UK General Election - 12th December 2019 | Con 365, Lab 203, LD 11, SNP 48, Other 23 - Tory Majority of 80

How do you intend to vote in the 2019 General Election if eligible?

  • Brexit Party

    Votes: 30 4.3%
  • Conservatives

    Votes: 73 10.6%
  • DUP

    Votes: 5 0.7%
  • Green

    Votes: 23 3.3%
  • Labour

    Votes: 355 51.4%
  • Liberal Democrats

    Votes: 58 8.4%
  • Plaid Cymru

    Votes: 3 0.4%
  • Sinn Fein

    Votes: 9 1.3%
  • SNP

    Votes: 19 2.8%
  • UKIP

    Votes: 6 0.9%
  • Independent

    Votes: 1 0.1%
  • Other (BNP, Change UK, UUP and anyone else that I have forgotten)

    Votes: 10 1.4%
  • Not voting

    Votes: 57 8.3%
  • Undecided

    Votes: 41 5.9%

  • Total voters
    690
  • Poll closed .
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Robert Peston:

This interview by Joe Pike captures the contradiction at the heart of Boris Johnson's campaign. He wants to be seen as campaigning to lead a "new" government, but Tories have been in power since 2010. So he finds it impossible to take responsibility for 4-year-old Jack Williment-Barr left to lie on coats for hours in a Leeds hospital. His refusal to look at the picture of Jack is Johnson saying "I don't want to own this". This is certainly the political moment of the day and could be the moment of the campaign.
Hope so.
 
Other media outlets are reporting as well
This is "breaking news" so that's pretty standard
If it's true I assume you will condem it?
Will you condemn Boris Johnson is completely ignoring the fact that 4 year old children are being treated on hospital floors? After 9 years of Tory rule.
 
Laura Kuenssberg:

Happy to apologiSe for earlier confusion about the punch that wasn’t a punch outside Leeds General - 2 sources suggested it had happened but clear from video that was wrong
 
I wonder if it will lead to her being a little bit more critical in her journalism in future when trusting these sources. It’s EXACTLY what Peter Osbourne criticised her for. She parrots whatever the government tell her without a second to think about it and and ends up looking like an idiot every time.

She’s done it too many times to be given the benefit of the doubt though. She’s either complicit and should be sacked or incompetent and should be sacked.
 
The Johnson video is bizarre. Surely just looking at the picture and mumbling standard political spin that politicians do for the other 364 days of the year would've been easier.
 
My point is that the investment in schools and hospitals was necessary and justifiable then. In exactly the same way that huge amounts of money are deemed necessary and justifiable by all of the political parties now.
None of them distinguish between capital or day to day spend in the election.

Capital investment along with a 2-3% annual growth in day to day spending was justifiable, but I'd argue the level of day to day spending sanctioned was not justifiable.

Blair and Brown spent like the country would never again see a recession. Which makes sense since they naively declared the end of the boom/bust cycle.

Nowadays there's an argument for capital expenditure but again large day to day expenditure increases given the large deficit I can't see a justification for (that's not to say funds shouldn't be reallocated between departments).
 
Will you condemn Boris Johnson is completely ignoring the fact that 4 year old children are being treated on hospital floors? After 9 years of Tory rule.
Yeah... I will actually

Johnson is a grade a cnut

He will win this election because labour have picked an unelectable leader... Under any normal circumstances he would be hammered
 
Capital investment along with a 2-3% annual growth in day to day spending was justifiable, but I'd argue the level of day to day spending sanctioned was not justifiable.

Blair and Brown spent like the country would never again see a recession. Which makes sense since they naively declared the end of the boom/bust cycle.

Nowadays there's an argument for capital expenditure but again large day to day expenditure increases given the large deficit I can't see a justification for (that's not to say funds shouldn't be reallocated between departments).

I understand that.
And yet Gordon Brown was rated by many including his peers as a fiscally responsible Chancellor.
 


Who are the Sources?
BBQ and Tomato

She's happy to apologise but doesn't do it. Is this the new "I've already apologised"?

Ffs I was brought to know that an apology means you say "I apologise" or "I'm sorry" not this roundabout shite.

@SteveJ - we need more Doritos and the chemical toilet needs cleaned out.
 
@SteveJ - we need more Doritos and the chemical toilet needs cleaned out.
This is the trouble with the political elite, folks - the minute you join the Pigeon Party, they expect you to clean the bogs & ladle snacks into their gold-toothed gobs.
 
The Johnson video is bizarre. Surely just looking at the picture and mumbling standard political spin that politicians do for the other 364 days of the year would've been easier.
"You're on the home straight, BoJack. You've managed to avoid those difficult interviews and avoid all those mistakes that May made that showed her true colours. The election is yours now - smooth sailing from here. Now you can enjoy some simple low key interviews with the smaller journos for a couple of days and then it's time to Get Breakfast Done. There's no way you can screw up now..."
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Imagine a public figure not apologising...

Can't help but notice that you've kept pretty quiet since your whole judgemental attitude earlier when you thought the assault story was true.

Edit: actually you did address it a few comments up. Reading isn't my strength. Or writing. Or breathing without the help of a dozen servants to waft fresh air into my nostrils.

I'm sorry. If you've made yourself upset
 
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Can't help but notice that you've kept pretty quiet since your whole judgemental attitude earlier when you thought the assault story was true.

What he’s been very clear about, is err... Jeremy Corbin, errr get Brexit done.
 
Has any Hospital spokesperson given a formal explanation of why this situation arose? Are the Hospital management suggesting/admitting that they couldn't find one bed in the whole of the hospital? It is an awful situation but it seems a bit convenient that photographers were there.

Boris's reaction to the photograph is strange however, but he like most people would be shocked and think surely even with a lack of funding the hospital administrators could have found a bed, or something better!
Or maybe the simple explanation is the correct one. Maybe it's the lack of proper funding.

Considering the fact that Tory MP's have written various books and articles about the dream of privatising the NHS and how to do it, I think it's fairly obvious why Boris had a "strange" reaction, as you put it.
 
Imagine a public figure not apologising...

Imagine not even appearing in order to be asked to make the apology.

Or even worse, imagine making multiple insincere apologies with no intention of making changes.

Your lot at The Sun and Guido both support that guy.
 
Imagine not even appearing in order to be asked to make the apology.

Or even worse, imagine making multiple insincere apologies with no intention of making changes.

Your lot at The Sun and Guido both support that guy.
Imagine thinking somebody whose leadership has seen a traditionally anti racist party become the subject of an ehrc formal investigation is fit to lead the country... Thankfully it's only a small minority of people who think like that
 
Imagine thinking somebody whose leadership has seen a traditionally anti racist party become the subject of an ehrc formal investigation is fit to lead the country... Thankfully it's only a small minority of people who think like that
Imagine a man who has campaigned against racism all of his life being called a racist. By racists in opposition.
 
Imagine thinking somebody whose leadership has seen a traditionally anti racist party become the subject of an ehrc formal investigation is fit to lead the country... Thankfully it's only a small minority of people who think like that
You...do understand that racists didn't just magically appear when Corbyn became leader, right?

I mean, not in the same way that racists all appeared during the Brexit referendum. Because it wasn't like those people were always racist.

Also, accusing someone who has fought against racism his entire political career of being racist or personally advocating racist ideals in his party is a pretty fecking big claim to make.
 

There's something that sticks in the throat a little about a newspaper that used Hitler as a light hearted template to insult a miner trying to take the moral high ground when it comes to anti-Semitism. Almost as hypocritical as that other paper that openly supported racists during the 1930s.
 
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