Yeah but Corbyn sat on the floor on a train & Ed ate a sandwich funny
I'm beyond exasperated at this point.
UK General Election - 12th December 2019 | Con 365, Lab 203, LD 11, SNP 48, Other 23 - Tory Majority of 80
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Yeah but Corbyn sat on the floor on a train & Ed ate a sandwich funny
I'm beyond exasperated at this point.
Swinson on the radio this morning couldn't have been clearer about not wanting to put Corbyn in office. Is that as a result of other comments made by her reported over the weekend that suggested otherwise?
That says a lot about the people who can't stand Corbyn, than anything else, imo.
The Tories getting a pass means the most vulnerable in society will continue to suffer for at least 5 years, that's without talking about Brexit - all of that doesn't matter though because feck Corbyn.
I think the key difference here is that 'generation rent' are finding it near impossible to get on the housing ladder. I remember under Cameron's government they started tracking happiness and well-being and one of the key things they found that correlated to emotional well-being was home ownership and the sense of security that brings. It's something that @Sweet Square likes to bang on about but I think he's right and it could be the catalyst for political change in the future.
Red tories? I can't recall the current insult favoured by Corbynites for anyone who isn't.
It's not comparable to a small child suffering from pneumonia having to lay on a pile of coats in a hospital though is it? That's my point.
When have I said Red Tories?
Scotland didn't apply to join the EU in 2014, I don't get you. If the UK were still in the EU and Scotland applied to join I'm quite sure the UK would support the application. It's possible, but unlikely in my view, that Spain would try and block it as an example to the Catalans, but that's not what you said.
Agreed. This is the one area that most threatens the Tories in the future. They were supposed to be the party of home-ownership, selling council houses to tenants etc. The supply-side deficit has caused prices to rise such that youngsters can't get on the ladder. There needs to be massive investment in homes, especially at the social end of the scale. The idea of selling council houses to tenants is a good one - but only if you build more to replace the ones you've sold.
Not risking it. Despise Johnson way more than May.Were you not going to sleep the last election? Everyone was resigned to a Tory majority then too but once that exit poll came out it was just
His record of losing to the two worst PM's in UK's post war history will probably never be beaten.
Its an awful story, but lets not make stuff up. You can clearly see Boris looking at the photo.
Yeah right at the very end after minutes of refusing to look at it. He acted like he'd turn to dust if he even glanced at it, imagine not being disgusted by his attitude.
He like Trump couldn't give two shits about the average citizen. Couldn't be anymore clear. He's just slightly better at hiding it than Trump.
I mean corbyn does clearly still have at least a little appeal.
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/finland-government-sanna-marin-prime-minister-female-leaders-five-parties-government-a9238591.html
Finland’s coalition government will be composed of five parties all led by women for the first time after the female transport minister won a vote to be the next leader.
Sanna Marin has been chosen by her Social Democratic party to replace the outgoing prime minister Antti Rinne.
She will lead a centre-left coalition of five parties who all have female leaders – four under the age of 35.
Ms Marin, aged 34, will become the world’s youngest sitting prime minister and the country’s third female leader.
Former prime minister Alexander Stubb celebrated the new coalition, saying it “shows that Finland is a modern and progressive country”.
Finland’s coalition government will be composed of five parties all led by women for the first time after the female transport minister won a vote to be the next leader.
Sanna Marin has been chosen by her Social Democratic party to replace the outgoing prime minister Antti Rinne.
She will lead a centre-left coalition of five parties who all have female leaders – four under the age of 35.
Ms Marin, aged 34, will become the world’s youngest sitting prime minister and the country’s third female leader.
Former prime minister Alexander Stubb celebrated the new coalition, saying it “shows that Finland is a modern and progressive country”.
This presupposes that the public services spending by New Labour wasn't necessary. It most certainly was necessary.
Many of the crumbling school's at the time were in dire need of repair or replacement. Same for terrible state of the hospitals.
We can see now the shameful state of our basic public services resulting from the austerity programme. And the billions being pledged to even restore them back to those of the mid 2000's.
Should he be in Bristol though? Labour will win them, he needs to be in the midlands.
Here’s a different angle which shows a pretty impressive volume of people.
Sadly, they’re all likely to be Labour voters anyway so it’s likely ineffective.
The point i am making is that you can be critical of someone without the need to make stuff up.
I would not take that for granted. He doesn't.
Good point. They won all 4 seats there in 2017 so I would expect him to be in the marginals right now.
But then instead of happy crowd pictures to put out into their social media echo bubble they would have people slating him ...
Bristol is the safest of safe surely, talk about playing to his home crowd.
Ohhhh both those people sounded really angry.
I think once this election was announced before Brexit was sorted, the Tories were always going to win. It was always going to be a Brexit election.
This forum is a little bit of an echo chamber when it comes to British politics in a way. In the sense that even if there are disagreements, the forum is generally left to centre and generally remain.
So I've seen a lot of posts about how Labour would be doing far better if they backed remain more closely. But in my experience, I'm not sure that's true at all. I've met nobody who voted Brexit and now regrets that decision. I have met are people who voted remain who are pissed with their perception of how the EU are treating us and people who voted remain who think it important to follow through on the referendum. I have met very few people who thought Brexit would be a good idea and now think that is a bad idea.
That isn't to say Corbyn is a good leader (he isn't) or that I think he's great (he's not).
It is to say that we are in a generally conservative country, that leans centre right, which voted for Brexit and where people expect it to happen.
Corbyn won't win, I think the Tories will win a majority. But I personally think any labour leader would have lost this election, to varying degrees of course. And I think people who think if only they had backed remain or said they would revoke Brexit or if only Starmer/Phillips were leading the party, we'd be looking at a labour government....are deluding themselves.
In my opinion anyway.
This forum is a little bit of an echo chamber when it comes to British politics in a way. In the sense that even if there are disagreements, the forum is generally left to centre and generally remain.
So I've seen a lot of posts about how Labour would be doing far better if they backed remain more closely. But in my experience, I'm not sure that's true at all. I've met nobody who voted Brexit and now regrets that decision. I have met are people who voted remain who are pissed with their perception of how the EU are treating us and people who voted remain who think it important to follow through on the referendum. I have met very few people who thought Brexit would be a good idea and now think that is a bad idea.
That isn't to say Corbyn is a good leader (he isn't) or that I think he's great (he's not).
It is to say that we are in a generally conservative country, that leans centre right, which voted for Brexit and where people expect it to happen.
Corbyn won't win, I think the Tories will win a majority. But I personally think any labour leader would have lost this election, to varying degrees of course. And I think people who think if only they had backed remain or said they would revoke Brexit or if only Starmer/Phillips were leading the party, we'd be looking at a labour government....are deluding themselves.
In my opinion anyway.
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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-2019-50704546
5th Feb... That's apparently when labour would do their budget to end austerity
Sorry, he glances at the photo after the reporter pulls him up for committing a criminal offence. Better?
My comment was more aimed at the initial part where reporter is trying to show him and he wouldn't even look in the direction of the phone.
Which is backed by polling showing that the Leave vote has desrted Labour despite them doing this balancing act, and by reporting (one again suggesting that excellent thread by @Smores ) that suggests that they have rtained their remain vote from 2017 but are losing leave voters.
Bet they both enjoy Mrs Browns Boys on Xmas day too.
I agree with you. Seen plenty of it here with the local Labour MP being harangued for not supporting the Leave vote. And also for being gay. Absolutely no crossover between those people at all mind...
Novara Media have deleted their tweet 
weapons.
weapons.I said a similar thing when the protests were happening in London over a year ago, a second Referendum would likely result in a second Leave win by a bigger margin too.
It's the first one I've been away for and I'm four hours ahead here. I'll be in bed before any results are in, so I will likely be choking on my breakfast pancakes when I get up.
Britain has yo-yo'd with fairly left wing positions since the end of the second world war, post war policy and reforms were extremely left wing under Attlee, and maintained by the following conservative government, whilst the economic policy as a whole was left of center until thatcher albeit not socialist. This idea that actual left wing policies don't gain traction is nonsense, in fact its the opposite. Take this with a pinch of salt as there's no way i'm going to be able to find this data reliably within an acceptable timeframe, but people have done blind policy studies in a number of areas, the one that comes to mind recently were in the United states about single payer health service that showed a comfortable majority were in favour of it, however where it began to break down was how the messaging becomes confused(taxes would increase across the board for access to the healthcare but your take home pay would increase because it was cheaper than health insurance which you would no longer need, which then becomes an attack by opponents of "They're increasing your taxes") and i would wager the exact parallels are consistent along the British policy spectrum as well.
The bottom line is the electorate want small easy to understand soundbite answers to nuanced questions, get brexit done, 20000 more police etc. which leads them right into the lap of demonstrably false right wing surface level rhetoric that falls apart under any rigorous scrutiny, which cant happen due to not being platformed adequately by the traditional media.
What did it say?Novara Media have deleted their tweet
Hound people on their doorstep till they slam the door... Swear at them and of course blaim Blair
https://order-order.com/2019/12/09/corbynista-breakdown-begins-prematurely/
'Don't blame it on the sunshine, don't blame it on the moonlight - blame it on the Blairites'
Would be interesting to see how Novara and co will react if Labour try to form a coalition with the 'Yellow Tories'
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