It should do, all the older men in my family have passed, whilst all the women live on.
UK General Election - 12th December 2019 | Con 365, Lab 203, LD 11, SNP 48, Other 23 - Tory Majority of 80
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It should do, all the older men in my family have passed, whilst all the women live on.
Doubtful as any differential between men and women would be seen as discriminatory (irrespective of actual life expectancy differences). I believe even insurers now have to charge the same for men as for women, despite the former being a greater insurable risk.
If Labour are saying this will happen irrespective of the outcome of the court case, then I don't see why it wouldn't be costed in the first place. Particularly because I understand the initial case was lost and its now at appeal stage, so at the very least the case is not certain to succeed.
This is news to me. I've never heard anything from any of the parties during a GE. Could be a London thing perhaps.
Don't worry, you'll go past 80.
Working or living?
Living.
As someone who's also affected (and my 65-year-old sister was affected to a worse extent, because she was counting on that money), I think the delaying of our state pensions has been an absolute travesty. "Oh, 3 million women born in the 50s? They'll be easy to steal from".
Many women born in the 50s didn't have a university education and a decent career. They had children and a job, often part-time - but they paid their stamp. My sister started paying hers when she was 14 years old, she should have had over 5 years of state pension by now. She's just had her letter to tell her it'll start being paid in March "if she wants to claim".
I should have had my state pension for the last year and a half, but as I have a good occupational pension I'm not missing it. But loads of older women are struggling.
The bottom line is that it's unfair, and despicable.
The goalposts should not be moved, they were promised retirement at 60 and that should be the case, as for if they should have been promised it in the first place, thats a different matter.
In the last election a number of people I know who were not natural Labour voters, who actually scorned Jeremy Corbyn as too left wing, nevertheless voted for the incumbent Labour candidate simply because that person is perceived locally to be a good constituency MP.
I wonder how many people in this GE will be voting for a candidate because they think he/she would make a good constituency MP, not just because of their party allegiance. Is it possible that such considerations could be a element in the election and how much difference (if any) could it make to the overall outcome?
I wonder how many people in this GE will be voting for a candidate because they think he/she would make a good constituency MP, not just because of their party allegiance. Is it possible that such considerations could be a element in the election and how much difference (if any) could it make to the overall outcome?
Ah bring back the birch!
Local MP is often a factor with a lot of people i think - in this election we also have the spectre of brexit which split votes somewhat though not completly on party lines which will impact some peoples votes... perhaps the two most divicive leaders since thatcher & foot, possible election fatigue with so many votes over the last few years, the brexit party only standing in some seats, a number of incumbent MP's standing as independents and a number having changed sides and throw into the mix a december election which may or may not impact turnout and if it does may or may not impact certain demographics more
for some people im sure the local MP will play a part
I suspect (for your sister and others) this sort of notification/reply from the authorities just adds insult to injury. Tell her to reply saying "yes I do and with 5 years back pay (with interest)...please always pays to be courteous!
One of the downsides to our political system is that we have so much wrapped up in a single vote. If you're a lifelong Labour voter that likes your MP, but dislikes Jeremy Corbyn and hates the idea of a second referendum, how on earth do you vote? You might decide that your local MP is good enough to support, but in doing so you have no choice but to support those other things as well.
This election does feel a bit more dominated by national events compared to previous ones. After all, it was called due to a logjam in Parliament and for no other reason. I would guess we'll see more tactical voting and less voting for local reasons than in previous years.
No it wasn't, parliament voted for the second reading of his bill, but refused his ridiculous 3 day timetable to scrutinise it. The election was called because the executive refused to allow parliament to properly do it's job on the most important piece of legislation probably since Maastricht.
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Me and my surrounding family have got the inverse of this problem.
The Labour MP in Oldham has done a shambolic job, possibly covering up sex rings and it seems at least not doing enough to stop them, however I can't vote for the tories due to the state they'll leave the country in.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.ma...investigation-historic-child-sex-17303968.amp
This explains a little better
Its not a case that they were promised something, the pensions act of 1991 informed them of reform between 2010-2020 to equalise retirement age. This was a full 25-30 years before they would retire so they had time to plan accordingly. However the coalition government decided that they would speed up reform in the Pensions Act of 2011 and just before retirement a lot of these women found out that they would have to wait anywhere between 1-6 years longer for their retirement. It was poorly planned, communicated and executed. Just like anything that has to do with welfare, the Tories and the Lib Dems at the time simply couldn't give a feck.
Not sure if this should go in here or if there's a separate BBC thread
Rubbish. We've had this conversation before. You know that claim is unfounded yet repeat Guido campaign lines.
Point is, you had just said the problem was a weak opposition. Yet you are going to vote for the weaker opposition, The Lib Dems. Who poll even worse than Labour.
Exactly. Yet another lie from Boris - I don't want an election in December.
What utter crap.
As you rightly say it was he who chose to withdraw his so called Fantastic Oven Ready Deal because parliament wanted to give it proper scrutiny.
The man has no idea of what is factual and what he wants the facts to be.
Zero trust. Zero interest in the truth. Keep telling the fools the same 3 word slogans and they will take it hook line and sinker.
Agreed. I've heard women say they don't have any time for the 'women's rights lot' as they're only interested in rights for middle class career women, and have no idea what it's like for the ordinary ones. When you look at the lack of support for Waspies among the normally vociferous left I think they might have a point. Some causes just aren't fashionable enough.
Big YouGov is out Wednesday at 10pm. Just gonna save myself the bother this time and assume that's the result until the night of the 12th.
Is this definitely in their manifesto? I know they've spoken about it alot.
We are not far from becoming a one party state if the Tories have their way.
Absolutely. It shows the power of media. Repeating a negative message over a long period of time becomes ingrained into some peoples minds.
To be fair, I think it is the right thing to do. I believe it has been costed.
My Mum is part of that WASPI generation and never received this supposed notification in the 1990's informing her of the change.
It will be work until you die mate, sorry. Same for me!
Problem is it is hard for most people to maintain working life even up to 65. I have family members who are struggling. Also some friends who need to change away from a physical job in their late 50s but can't retrain and get the same wage. It is ridiculous.
Women who, at the time, could not earn anywhere near as much as men and where not informed of the change with enough time to prepare.
The wage disparity between men and women is still there now. But in the 70s, 80s and even 90s it was an even bigger gap.
Life insurance is your (girlfriends) friend.
Some general info on how pension age decisions came about.
http://www.web40571.clarahost.co.uk/statepensionage/SPA_history.htm
http://www.web40571.clarahost.co.uk/statepensionage/SPA_history.htm
'He tells it like it is.'
Apparently it wasn’t included in the original manifesto calculations. The reason given is pretty vague. Quotes near the bottom.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/50546923
Westminster voting intention:
CON: 41% (-1)
LAB: 34% (+2)
LDEM: 13% (-)
BREX: 4% (-1)
via @ICMResearch, 22 - 25 Nov
Chgs. w/ 18 Nov
CON: 41% (-1)
LAB: 34% (+2)
LDEM: 13% (-)
BREX: 4% (-1)
via @ICMResearch, 22 - 25 Nov
Chgs. w/ 18 Nov
More like if their right wing media mates have their way. To which we should be asking Why. Simple. For the few and not the many.
As I have mentioned before, a Tory majority will be terrible for democracy in this country.
England really is an awful awful place.
Fair enough. Do you believe it is the right thing to do?
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