If he gets a hung parliament, he will stay.
UK General Election - 12th December 2019 | Con 365, Lab 203, LD 11, SNP 48, Other 23 - Tory Majority of 80
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McDonnell has indicated he should go in that case, and he's probably his biggest supporter.
So you prefer JRM's attitude?
Not at all. It would bring national spending in line with the OECD. This investment stimulates economies which benefits the working classes. Just look at the OECD countries who spend more than the UK as a percentage of GDP.
Aren't you going to vote Lib Dem?
Imagine claiming the problem is weak opposition but then voting for even weaker opposition.
Exactly this.
Caf polls are usually the polar opposite of reality, remember the brexit poll? You'd have bet your house on remain winning if you used the caf poll for guidance. As far as this one goes i hope its right.
What’s striking is the amount of votes for Labour after the manifesto was announced. About 60 added to the poll. It was tittering on 180s early last week.
Tbh it’s the same on all social media - you’ll see similar results on Twitter where Labour poll consistently higher than the Tories. It’s hardly surprising either, the most common demographic of social media consumers are the 16-40 age group who are more heavily inclined towards progressive politics.
It’s perhaps the one positive to take away from an otherwise bleak future - future generation of voters are likely to turn away from traditional conservative politics championed by the generations that preceded them.
Unfortunately you are probably right.
Same here.
For me the problem is an institutionally racist opposition lead by the most unpopular opposition leader since polls began who won't commit to an opinion on the biggest issue in the election.
What are the practical implications of The Tories scrapping the fixed term parliament act?
We thought that in the 60s and 70s, and we still got Thatcher. And those that were the young then are the old now, and here we are, Tories back again.
nothing much i think
Basically back to what it was before which is that with a simple majority the Government can call an early election at any time they want
in theory this should slightly help the incumbent but its only a return to what we have had before - and of course it avoids a situation which we had for months where the government couldnt call an election without a 2/3 majority
I believe I read the Tory manifesto has a section on redefining the voting boundary lines which they've been trying to do for a while. Do they see this as their best chance yet? Is there a hope in hell they would divvy the nation up fairly or would they simply carve up marginals in a way that favours them and guarantees Tory majorities for ever more?
Good to see we're all good socialists in the CAF! Viva la revolucion comrades.
probably the latter - though if that was their main thought letting scotland have independence would logically be the easiest way to build in a large majority
Perhaps, but you have to take into account the novel factors unique to this generation of younger voters. For starters I imagine younger voters will remain very bitter over being dragged out of the EU kicking and screaming considering the vast majority of them are europhiles. And then there’s today’s unprecedented dominance of social media - something the Labour Party simply do better than their Tory counterparts. The last point is particularly key, since you’ll essentially have a key counterbalance to the traditionally pro Tory media which will inevitably see its outreach and influence wane thanks to social media.
I think you already know the answer to that question.
Tbh my biggest fear is not that the Tories get in with a majority but that they get in and then put as many obstacles as possible in the way of ever removing them from power. We've seen a shift that way in the US and we're seeing it here too with proposals like photo ID as a requirement for voting. It's a deliberate and cynical attempt to strangle democracy and when you couple it with their stranglehold on the media it's genuinely depressing stuff.
I remember Laura Pidcock giving a speech a few months back about subverting the system and upsetting the ruling class and she ended it with the old adage that the darkest hour is just before dawn and that dawn was on it's way. I fear she may be very wrong on that. I think the sun is only just going down still.
This 'anything but Corbyn' policy is disgusting. Up until he became head of the Labour party, all you would ever hear from anyone you spoke to about politics is how disillusioned they were because you can't trust any of them. Corbyn is one of the only prominent politicians in my life time that has his integrity in tact.
Not only has he always campaigned for peace and equality, at every level, he also has an exemplary voting record, which can be seen by all.
Look past the propaganda and look at the facts.
Not only has he always campaigned for peace and equality, at every level, he also has an exemplary voting record, which can be seen by all.
Look past the propaganda and look at the facts.
A big problem with this supposed consistency is his position on the EU. He was against it for years, is now apparently for it, although not believed by many, and has made no effort whatsoever to explain his change of stance. If you're a supporter I can understand you turning a blind eye to this as only one part of a greater whole, but to claim his integrity is intact doesn't wash.
Cheers. They might need the reform sooner than they'd like!
I bet you have pictures of Harold Shipman all round your walls.
edit: I've just realised how old your post was @Solius, damn this new site, I don't know where I am on it anymore. I'm sure you're far more civilised nowadays anyway.
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The trouble is the media have pretty much dictated or at the very least largely influenced the narrative regarding Corbyn being this supposed unpatriotic, commie anti-Semite. It’s not just been unique to him either - his predecessor also faced excessive and hyperbolic smearing from the media, Corbyn has had it particularly rough because his policies pose a higher risk of detailing the gravy train enjoyed by those who own large swathes of the media.
What do people think about the Waspi women thing? Alright with borrowing £58b to pay for the compensation? I have to admit Mrs 711 would gain substantially if this came about, so I hope you'll all be very happy for us.
Its hard to have much empathy with them as far as I can see. Especially after later generations will likely have to work for much longer. What exactly is the profound argument around the issue?
I don't know about profound but I think the gist of it is that they spent most of their working lives paying national insurance with the expectation of receiving their pension at 60, and then with only a few years notice they were told they would have to wait until they were 65. Some say they were never told and only found out at or close to being 60.
Hopefully it translates to 3.8 million+ Labour votes. Although these would not be new votes as the vast majority would have voted Labour anyway I should think...
Nah still the same!
Mines already gone up from 65 to 67 to 68 now since I've been working. I'm 37! God knows what it will be by the time I get to retirement age.
It's unfortunate for the ones that had no notice for sure but I think it's hard for generations underneath that are going to likely inherit much worse conditions to be all that bothered about it.
As far as I can see, he's committed to staying neutral on the issue and carrying out the result of the next referendum. Everyone knows he's a eurosceptic, but his neutrality is only to bring the country together.
I get that, I've not long turned 65 and am one of the first to have to wait until 66. For Waspis though, many of them are amongst the poorest people in the country, working class women from a generation where a lifetime of low pay and insecure work was the norm for the childbearing sex. Seems like it should be a classic cause for lefties to champion, but not a word of support on here, I just found it strange.
Hard to understand why this is so important that they can commit £11bn to it (and blow their balanced costings out of the water at the same time) but they can only commit £1bn to homelessness. Kind of an odd one.
Homeless people are small in number and have poor voter turnout.
It's not an odd one at all. There is currently a court case going on regarding this. Iit is possible that it will be won by the Waspi women so the money will have to be found by whoever is in government regardless. Its going to be a black hole anyhow and considering the Conservatives have fought against it tooth and nail, its a no brainer for Labour to have an election pledge in order to boost support from as many as 3.8 million and other family members. Even Mrs & Mr 711 might get on board...
Labour are the only party that are helping the homeless register to vote. They have teamed up with various business are providing their addresses for homeless people to use. To date Tories & Lib Dems have never put out any information for ANYONE to register to vote.
Mrs 711 is silent so far on this impending windfall, almost as if she's hoping I don't know about it. Actually she's pissed off by how bad Swinson is and now wants to vote SNP, an option strangely unavailable in Lancashire.
Anyone think the retirement age for men might come down in the next 35 years? My girlfriends family all live till 95+ but the men in my family croak it before 70 as far back as we can remember. It's quite depressing.
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