There's this: http://www.harvard-digital.co.uk/euro/pamphlet.htm#2
Not certain of when it was published but it was certainly only after negotiations on a new deal had been concluded on 11th March (around 3 months prior to the referendum being held).
UK General Election - 12th December 2019 | Con 365, Lab 203, LD 11, SNP 48, Other 23 - Tory Majority of 80
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There's this: http://www.harvard-digital.co.uk/euro/pamphlet.htm#2
Not certain of when it was published but it was certainly only after negotiations on a new deal had been concluded on 11th March (around 3 months prior to the referendum being held).
Most of the present crisis is because they over spent and spent stupidly. They have already borrowed their estimated Oil revenue up to about 2050.
More than 300,000 people apply to vote in one day in largest ever pre-deadline surge
New applications include more than 100,000 under-25s, in likely boost for Labour ahead of 12 December poll
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/...ris-johnson-corbyn-young-people-a9214761.html
New applications include more than 100,000 under-25s, in likely boost for Labour ahead of 12 December poll
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/...ris-johnson-corbyn-young-people-a9214761.html
Cheers.
How does this relate to the UK general election?
Labours spending plans are in line with OECD countries. See below.
Its entirely because there's no one version of leave that Labour's position makes no sense to me, because they're only going to offer one version. Its a fair bet that the Leave voters being stoked by Farage and the Dail Mail will not consider Labour's deal to be a meaningful version of Brexit. If you put No Deal on the ballot (and maybe Johnson's deal too) then perhaps the outcome would be respected but we know Labour won't do that. To the Nigel Farage's of this world a referendum between Remain and a Labour deal will be like me having to vote in a referendum where Johnson's deal or No Deal were the only options. I might vote for Johnson's deal, but in no way would that represent my views and i'd be damned if I consdered the matter settled after the vote was made.
My view is that this will not be settled at the ballot box, but when one side starts winning the arguments in the public domain and changing minds. Which is why Labour have made me so mad over the last few years with their focus on process over principle. With the Tories heading straight down the brexit k-hole, Labour were the only people vaguely likely to have the public clout to start shifting the debate but they haven't even tried.
How does this relate to the UK general election?
Labours spending plans are in line with OECD countries. See below.
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How does this relate to the UK general election?
Labours spending plans are in line with OECD countries. See below.
The spending plan for 2020 - 2023 ?
But there are literally thousands of interesting articles out there from a multitude of sources you could start with to educate yourself on the crisis in Venezuela... yet you haven’t. You’ve just gone “socialism bad”. It’s ignorant.
Corbyn is centre left. Labour’s manifesto isn’t radical far left... we’ve been dragged so far to the right that people are actually brainwashed into thinking mild social democracy is a fairytale. We’re talking about many popular policies that work perfectly well in other modern democracies.
Out of interest, when was this ?
Those who claim those with different opinion to theirs are ignorant without any knowledge of them, their life experience or their qualifications make discussion pointless.
I respected your opinion by carefully reading what you wrote. If you think those who think differently are all brain washed and Corbyn represents 'mild social democracy' then there is nothing more to write.
And the average tax load for those countries above us?How does this relate to the UK general election?
Labours spending plans are in line with OECD countries. See below.
I see those voting Labour on this site is steadily increasing.
When you reduce the issues in Venezuela to “they spent too much”... what would you call that, other than ignorance? You could literally read one article and you’d find the situation is far more complicated. Oil prices? Corruption? Economy too reliant on oil? Nope... “they spent too much”.
Hardly surprising, anyone who dares stick their heads above the parapet and not declare undying love for Ooh Jeremy tends to get verbally assaulted.
Gap increasing, which I was surprised to see. But while I don’t see the Tories going higher than this, Labour will probably keep going.
Actually I think people are coming to their senses.
btw which is the more racist party?
UKIP or Brexit?
I'd say UKIP are more racist but are almost irrelevant now. The Brexit Party will die very soon too, can't see them getting many seats in the election, Farage is a definite xenophobe and just looking for a payday
We have 22 racists on here then.
I wouldn't say it is that surprising with the Brexit support collapsing. Was obvious those votes would end up with the Conservatives.
Probably more than that unfortunately
If I remember most of the UKIP votes appeared at the beginning of the poll - have a feeling as a joke - but if there are only 22 racists on this site, we're doing well.
Can anyone still banging on about Brexit kindly feck off to the Brexit thread. We’re already clear Conservatives will get Brexit done, Labour 2nd ref, Lib Dems + Co cancel and Brexit party leave with no deal. Your one issue is best discussed in the threae dedicated to that single issue.
Discussion here should be about the election and policies, and by god having spoken to people in various circles in the last 2-3 days almost everyone of all convictions is cautiously optimistic about Labours plans. The dial is starting to move again with plenty of time to go. Let’s just hope the Cons have another clanger in their manifesto and I think we’ll be heading beyond a hung parliament.
Discussion here should be about the election and policies, and by god having spoken to people in various circles in the last 2-3 days almost everyone of all convictions is cautiously optimistic about Labours plans. The dial is starting to move again with plenty of time to go. Let’s just hope the Cons have another clanger in their manifesto and I think we’ll be heading beyond a hung parliament.
Can anyone still banging on about Brexit kindly feck off to the Brexit thread. We’re already clear Conservatives will get Brexit done, Labour 2nd ref, Lib Dems + Co cancel and Brexit party leave with no deal. Your one issue is best discussed in the threae dedicated to that single issue.
Discussion here should be about the election and policies, and by god having spoken to people in various circles in the last 2-3 days almost everyone of all convictions is cautiously optimistic about Labours plans. The dial is starting to move again with plenty of time to go. Let’s just hope the Cons have another clanger in their manifesto and I think we’ll be heading beyond a hung parliament.
The problem with that is that even if you believe in Labour's spending plans, cough cough, it is vital that the UK stay in the EU to finance it but then they wouldn't comply with EU rules. Probably why Corbyn wants to be in it and out of it at the same time. Don't mention Brexit!
Sorry cannot agree with you on this, a second confirmatory/people vote, etc. referendum, whatever you choose to call it, is in my opinion the worst case scenario. For the sake of our democracy, and possibly the survival of our 'unwritten' constitution, the Government of the day has to implement the first vote, before moving to a second referendum.
It is true that Labour is promising to get a 'new deal'; then to call for a second referendum, but they also want to include the remain option, which was defeated the last time. Even if this were possible, this is nonsense, the government cannot negotiate a new deal then not say whether they are backing it or not?
The reason that it was always a Leave v Remain binary option, was because the EU had not asked us to leave, did not want us to leave and would not be able under their existing rules to even negotiate with us whilst we were members of the EU. Therefore we had to leave with 'No deal' and the 2yr A50 transition period should have been focused on a joint approach to ensuring how to stop the wheels coming off (for both sides) when we did leave.
Pretty much spot on so far? Especially with what JC said last night on Question Time.
I really don't think you're right that we have to leave. It was an advisory referendum indicating that the people were interested in leaving the EU, not actually forcing the government to do it. They're actually well within their rights to sack it all off, negotiate something and ask you again, or do it and to hell with it. Just as you are well within your rights to vote for someone else next time if they do something you don't like.
But out of interest who do you blame for the crocks of shit transition deals that May and Johnson have served up?
@RedPhil1957
I believe the figures are current spending (2018) but the Labour plan would be spending for the UK in 2020-2023.
Feel free to let me know.
Re:your final paragraph. This was not communicated clearly during the leave campaign which was full of lies and untruths. Remain may have lost but it was versus a leave option which was talked up to all things to all leave voters.
To clarify, if we leave then fine. But that first referendum had no detail and clarity on what leave meant.
This site is terribly unrepresentative at the electorate though. Thats not having a go - but that’s the reality.
I’m sure there are not too many of the traditional Tory demographic posting on a football forum...
of course there will always be more noise from the opposition or protest parties.
unfortunately I think we will have another hung parliament, with either a referendum or another general election within 6 months. In that time, we will still be in this state of inaction that’s dogged the country for 3 years.
Still 10% down on the last election.
Tory lead increasing overall outside this site probably because most people have seen that ridiculous manifesto.
It's higher
More than 300,000 people apply to vote in one day in largest ever pre-deadline surge
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/...ris-johnson-corbyn-young-people-a9214761.html
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/...ris-johnson-corbyn-young-people-a9214761.html
What the feck has happened to the BBC, or have they always been like this and I just hadn't noticed. Properly shocking, it's basically a government propaganda service.
This happens every single election. It's never a sign for anything it just means we're close to the election and a load of people that weren't registered had a reminder from somewhere and got their act together.
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