There's absolutely nothing about transfers that can be embarrassing.
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There's absolutely nothing about transfers that can be embarrassing.
What about the people that follow them and get teasy that nobody has been signed less than a month after the season finished and a month before the transfer window opens? I find those sort of people embarrassing. Especially when you can count the amount of confirmed transfers in the Premier League so far on Bart Simpsons left hand.
Ronaldo is a cnut as well. Show me a United fan who wouldn't have him back in a heart beat.
grow the feck up, muppet
Just a reminder! 
Can deal done. "can we go again?"
We all know what happened last season, you would expect that if we had learnt from that we would know to going in with a price that means business and get our deals done early, instead we have been ruled out of moves by most of our top targets and woodward continues to stutter. For instance Fabregas would be 100% an upgrade on anything we have, yet we have let him go to one our biggest rivals, if Van Gaal doesn't want him then we should concluded at least 1 deal for one of his targets.
Our failings in the transfer market are common knowledge.
All we know is what we are fed from the media which probably is 99.9% bullshit so we can only go on what we know - Last summer we signed Fellani on the last day of the window, when we could have had strootman for half the price. Lets just hope that we don't mess around anymore and go in with a real intent to get are targets.
Every player has a price and as a negotiator your primary objective is to find out what that figure is and decide if we can meet it, if not get out and quickly move on.
Our failings in the transfer market are common knowledge.
All we know is what we are fed from the media which probably is 99.9% bullshit so we can only go on what we know - Last summer we signed Fellani on the last day of the window, when we could have had strootman for half the price. Lets just hope that we don't mess around anymore and go in with a real intent to get are targets.
Every player has a price and as a negotiator your primary objective is to find out what that figure is and decide if we can meet it, if not get out and quickly move on.
The media rubbing it in now...
Isn't that a release clause? That said, we'd probably wait until it expired then offer 5 million more.
I wish we could get some players of his quality in. Paying a £9m release clause must have been a really difficult transfer to push through.
Just seen on ssn transfer centre that :
'Unfonfirmed reports are emerging that Chelsea have agreed a deal for Barcelona's Cesc Fabregas. TalkSPORT claims the Spanish midfielder will cost the Blues £30million and will join Diego Costa at Stamford Bridge next season. We will bring you more on this as we get it.'
Sky are now using talksport as a source of info. Deary me.
'Unfonfirmed reports are emerging that Chelsea have agreed a deal for Barcelona's Cesc Fabregas. TalkSPORT claims the Spanish midfielder will cost the Blues £30million and will join Diego Costa at Stamford Bridge next season. We will bring you more on this as we get it.'
Sky are now using talksport as a source of info. Deary me.
It's the transfer centre bit, they just put every rumour they find in there like BBC gossip column and all that shite. They don't run articles off 'em.
Not that Sky are that much more reliable than TalkSport recently anyway.
Agreed just proves they will put any old dross on their. Give it an hour and it will say sky sources regarding the same story....
Frustrating. Not embarrassing I think.
I have to say, if the window doesn't work out and we don't get the right players in. The Club, Woodward and LVG are all going to come under fire before a ball is kicked in anger.
Having the manager planning for a World Cup just isn't ideal and could really mean this coming season is another below par settling in period.
The logical signs say he won't go there.
And so far the most solid link is a crooked Strootman with an inflated price and a bunch of nobodies whos highest level of experience is playing for 3rd, 4th teams in the Eredivsie. Id say its extremely embarrassing, its being picked up on now by the general media and its going to get alot uglier unless something big happens soon. And im not talking about Luke Shaw.
Id say its embarassing, not even a month ago we had reports flying about of 200m, we were practically boasting, saying, were coming for your best players, get ready to be blown out of the water.
And so far the most solid link is a crooked Strootman with an inflated price and a bunch of nobodies whos highest level of experience is playing for 3rd, 4th teams in the Eredivsie. Id say its extremely embarrassing, its being picked up on now by the general media and its going to get alot uglier unless something big happens soon. And im not talking about Luke Shaw.
We've changed manager since then and the targets we originally had lined up are players the new manager doesn't want. It's not embarrassing, it's how football works. We can't snap our fingers and expect signings to rain from the clouds. It takes time and with the appointment of Van Gaal we've gone back to stage 1. Patience.
I find it frustrating but also embarrassing that we haven't got a top negotiator in to conduct our business dealings. Woodward has had no previous experience, he orchestrated a disastrous circus of a first transfer window, preceding this transfer window all the talk from him was about marquee signings/ us being able to compete on the biggest stage, and wrapping up deals as we speak, yet we are still no where and the majority of our supposed world class targets have distanced themselves. Our rivals must be enjoying our limpness and impotence. You just know that Real, Barca, City, Chelsea (and now even Liverpool)ndecide who they want and get them early on a regular basis.
I used to think this but honestly from what weve seen from other clubs it takes about 2-3 days to identify a target, place a bid, meet with his agent and have the fee, contract in place. case in point being Costa or even Fabregas (currently unconfirmed) put that into perspective it took us all summer to identify Fabregas, low ball a deal, get rejected....THEN it took us another 4-5 moths to pull our finger out and shoehorn Mata in.
We've changed manager since then and the targets we originally had lined up are players the new manager doesn't want. It's not embarrassing, it's how football works. We can't snap our fingers and expect signings to rain from the clouds. It takes time and with the appointment of Van Gaal we've gone back to stage 1. Patience.
Im just very annoyed at the moment and until we hear something solid, an official bid, a confirmation of interest, a leak from a player I cant help but think Woodward not just Moyes is completely out of his depth.
Are MUTV going to film the meeting between Ed and LvG if he doesn't get his targets? I would really enjoy seeing that in glorious HD.
You surely don't believe that?! Chelsea have been linked with Costa for months...
What I will say is that I'm annoyed we have fallen into the same trap as last year, using 2 different lists from 2 different managers - I thought we would learn from our lesson!
Chelsea have been discussing with Costa and Atletico for a while. Fabregas is a different situation (much like Mata scenario) where the club don't really want him anymore and therefore will put up a simple ballpark figure. Players that clubs don't want to sell a far harder to negotiate with. I think some of you assume that deals take place in a matter of days. It doesn't work like that (unless you're willing to pay an insane amount of money or the club want the player out).
I can understand the frustration considering how the club were building up our summer transfers. I have no doubt that if Moyes was still in charge, we'd probably already have Shaw and Carvalho at the club. But tough shit, this is one of the problems with changing Managers. If come the end of the Transfer window we're still struggling, then feel free to make a thread moaning. Otherwise, be patient and grit your teeth.
I think Woody will be fine tbh. He's proven he can get top class players to Old Trafford with the Mata signing. He was able to turn that transfer around fairly quickly. I just think Van Gaal has probably been organised and supplied him with a fairly large list of players to look at with Plan A's, B's and C's. That's what i'd hope anyway!
You've just pulled that timeline out of your arse, petal.
Not sure I believe it, but weren't there strong rumors that Gill and Fergie spoke directly with Roman in relation to Mata?
What I don't get is Moyes' transfer targets reportedly being discarded and having to start afresh with LVG's. The players Moyes' was targeting are more than good enough to fit in whatever hallowed, mystical style LVG wants to play
A lot of people throw up this "could have got Strootman last year blah blah blah" stuff, but where were all these people in his thread last summer advocating us signing him? I was there, suggesting we bring him in as he was the type of midfielder we needed, and there weren't many keen on him. Everyone was on the Thiago bus. It's lazy to say we could have had him when hardly a single fecker here wanted the signing to happen. Check out the thread.
Why would that make any difference? Why would Roman sell to Gill and not someone else? The money is still coming from the same place and the player was ending up at the same club regardless. Total nonsense that doesn't even make any sense.
Why would LVG (or any decent manager) take a job where he couldnt even decide what players he could buy?
Or we wouldn't sign him because he's a bit shit.
so it would have been an idea to say to van Gaal we were pressing ahead with Moyes' targets whether he wanted them or not?
I don't agree with that, If LvG doesn't want a certain player there's nothing wrong with that. It would be a disaster if we started forcing players onto him.
It's early in the summer, we'll have some new players before the season kicks off.
It's early in the summer, we'll have some new players before the season kicks off.
I'd rather we took the time and signed the right players rather than spunk a load of money on just anybody to appease the impatience of certain sections of our support!
I don't get why you don't get that. You're not alone either, amd it's an entirely mental viewpoint. If van Gaal doesn't want these players then we don't sign them. It's pretty straightforward. Would you have wanted someone else to select transfer targets for Ferguson if he were still here? Van Gaal knows what he wants to play, he'll know who he wants to fit in with his plan. Signing a bunch of players Moyes wanted and telling van Gaal to just deal with it is a retarded idea.
That is insanely stupid. It takes months of scouting and preparation to identify targets. You actually think Chelsea just got interested in Costa a week ago? Weeks and weeks of work will have gone into a signing like that.
As for Fabregas, do you not think the fact that Barca apparently want to sell now makes some difference?
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What difference does it make since both are United employees and are technically under Woodward in the hierarchy at United ? Strictly speaking it's Woodward that still approved the terms we offered to both Chelsea and Mata so, in essence, he deserves credit for that deal too !
If you actually believe that's how transfers work then you are simple.
Clubs scout players for months, even years and the bigger players will neccessitate a discussion with agents or "intermediaries" (i.e. people representing clubs unofficially so as not to cause issues for players/clubs or whomever) to put the feelers out and see if the player is interested. That player might then want to look at Houses, Schools, discuss it with his family or whatever else and the finer details of his pay packet, image rights and the agents fees.
I suspect that once a formal bid is made, everyone already knows that the player wants the move and that personal terms can be agreed. The club losing the player might then want to investigate replacements before they sanction any move.
Fact is, most of this goes on behind the scenes and the Costa thing will have been going on for ages. At the time they played them in the Champions League it was being discussed. This will have taken months to put together. Fabreags, I suspect has had his agent investigating a move for months, well aware what was likely to happen, or indeed preparing for what might happen. The Agents of these players will always be assesing what options are open to their client's even when they are settled.
Perhaps things may work more quickly when you're talking about young players desperate for a move to a big club and jumping at it when it comes along, or when transfer deadlines are looming. As it is now, why would a player not take his time in making a decision about his future when he's got ages before a decision actually needs to be made?
The sensible thing to do in this scenario is to go about your business quietly - rather than do what they did last year and have it all out in the open, which suited neither players nor the club. Hopefully they have learned their lesson from that and the silence is down to the club getting on with business and keeping it out of the press. I suspect your (and other fans) "frustration" isn't high on the club's list of concerns. These things take time and its best to do that to get the right players in.
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