The Fabregas "deal" is nothing but speculation anyway so far.
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The Fabregas "deal" is nothing but speculation anyway so far.
Since last year, most likely. After all, we obviously had some contact with his agent and I doubt we were the only ones. Hardly takes that much effort on his agent's keep all parties informed of the situation.
If van Gaal doesn't want Fabregas then absolutely fair enough and he definitely doesn't seem the sort to allow a club to force a player on him so no chance of that happening. It is early so no need to panic but what I'm struggling to understand though is simply who he thinks we can get for that price that is a better midfielder than Fabregas and could improve us as much as he potentially could. There's just not that many out there that are available and now it looks certain he's off to Chelsea, it sure is frustrating seeing them benefit after us being linked for so long. They're not even over paying for him if the reports are true, we nearly paid the same amount for Fellaini...
The type of CM we sign is nearly as important as their actual quality though. It might be that LVG plans to use Mata as the most creative player in his midfield three, in which case he's probably more interested in us signing a box to box or defensive CM (or both). In that case not going for Cesc makes more sense, he isn't really either.
As for who is available, who knows? Last year people weren't too sure on Strootman though and now a year later we're talking about spending 30m on him. The right player doesn't necessarily have to be a superstar already.
Plus neither deal is done, it's currently media bollocks yet people get all antsy about it. Costa deal had been said to be done what? 3 or 4 times over the last month yet Atletico's president has come out saying nothing has been done. Despite all this, there'll still be complaints about how we're slow out of the blocks compared to the likes of Chelsea, but as things stand they've made the same number of signings that we have.
Yes, especially when looking at LVG's style which so many seem now to be experts on from reading the threads, the players Moyes was targeting would have worked under his system anyways.
It's also not really about taking control away from LVG, but this particular transfer window is a difference case. With knowing that there's a possibility he can't start the job till mid-July, then you add up another month or more to chase and acquire his targets, the team is looking at now having no new players so close to the start of the season which isn't ideal. No reason Moyes's targets couldn't be worked with
Indeed. The agents will be working all the time to see what's out there - in case things change (as they rapidly do in football on a regular basis with managers moving about) or even just to make sure their client is getting what they are worth.
Don't agree with that. Anyone can approve a deal, the rumors were that Gill and Fergie helped seal the transfer with their contacts in the game and speaking directly with Roman.
I'm not saying it's true, but if it is then it can't be claimed that Woody all of a sudden knows what he is doing. For me the jury is still well and truly out.
People buy from people, hence why we lost out on several targets with Kenyon in control.
Even if he can't start the job till mid-July - why is he going to be lumbered with players he doesnt want? He will be rightly judged on results - how can you do that when you dont give him the chance to bring in his own players to fit the plan he has?
You can say that "they would be able to fit his plan" - other than the obvious fact that by changing the targets LVG has obviously decided that they can't - or he wouldn't have changed them I'd suspect he knows more about what he needs than anyone else.
Not sure why some people are making it out to be a bad thing that there's not much in the way of United rumours getting out at the minute. I'm happy to see the constant leaks seem to have dried up since LVG's arrival. We all know work is bound to be getting done in the background, so who cares how much is leaked to the public?
It's not like any of the rumours leaked during Moyes' reign did any obvious good in getting players signed.
It's not like any of the rumours leaked during Moyes' reign did any obvious good in getting players signed.
So how do you know who would and wouldn't work in LVG's system? Surely LVG is the only one who knows that for sure, which is why we're letting him pick.
Plus some of Moyes' targets are apparently being worked with, Shaw for one. Ultimately though if we wanted to sign Moyes' targets then we should have stuck with Moyes. Alternatively, if we're looking to push someone else's targets on the new manager then we really shouldn't have hired LVG.
We did get rid of Moyes though and we did hire LVG, so letting him pick his own targets is what makes sense. After all, this is a guy who has refused to play signings that were pushed on him in the past. What makes you think he won't do exactly the same thing here?
You're right, this isn't ideal at all. That's the price you pay for changing managers when you have a structure that gives the manager so much control over transfers.
So yeah, tweets anyone?
Roman had a player the manager wanted to sell - and we offered top money for him with seemingly few other clubs interested.
This isn't like a bloke cold calling you to sell you a new energy plan so where does "people buy from people" come into it? He had an asset worth mega-millions that he wanted to sell. The player was happy to move and United had the money to buy him. Simple as that.
You think a business man like Roman would turn down the money from Woodward because he didnt like the cut of his jib - but then accept the deal from Fergie and Gill? I doubt it personally. Sounds like a myth.
As regards Kenyon - as I recall the big one was Ronaldinho, and we got gazumped by Barca with the club unwilling to pay any more money. Perhaps Kenyon's fault - but nothing to do with his personality.
Spot on.
Easily the best tweet posted in this thread
I think I might be gay, because I focused more on how badly Januzaj's name was misspelled than the girl
Yep understand all that but I do think personality is essential, especially when dealing with all these egos in the football business. It's the old phrase anyone could manage Manchester United, well on the evidence of last year that's a no.
Also I think Kenyon fecked many a deal, he took the piss in the Dinho saga, offered more money agreed a deal, then try to low ball PSG, who then refused to deal with us. So yes I believe if someone doesn't like the cut of your jib they will try and deal with someone else if they can.
Unquestionably Woody is a commercial man, can talk the talk in the business world with MDs from global companies wanting to whore their company to Utd.
Can he handle transfer negotiations, trying to close deals and build trust worthy contacts? I hope so, but remain doubtful.
I read a tweet a page or so back, saying Utd fans have to be patient, well it didn't get us very far last year...
Yeah very good point, I think that is the case and we are after more of a box to box defensively minded CM but it's just frustrating really as Fabregas is so much better than any of our current options in the middle so and is a flexible enough player to be moulded in to van Gaals system but no point going on about it, doesn't appear van Gaal is keen so looks certain we're not getting him. Completely agree the right player doesn't necessarily have to be a superstar already at all but as we have all an for years now, our midfield is crying out for a player of that level.
Fergie did great in getting the best out of the whole team on his final season but last season showed it's a lack of quality more than anything so everyone just gets very frustrated when we see players like Fabregas pass us by and going to a huge domestic rival. We obviously have other targets in mind but I'm not entirely convinced it's a case of van Gaal not wanting him though, I think we might well have been in for him and he simply wanted to live in London and was lured to Chelsea offering big wages and champions league football so we have told the press we aren't in for him to save face.
Celebritit indeed.
One could also argue that knowing one's limits is essentially knowing what you are doing ! At these early stages Woodward needs all the help he can get because he hasn't established any contacts or developed an in depth understanding of the politics surrounding different clubs . Also regarding this summer's business I don't think he has yet to feck anything up to justify the flak some are throwing at him .
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It's still very strange to see Scholes partner up with Paddy Power.
Scholes would make a good Karl Pilkington.
If that article is to be believed (BBC so likely) and Fabregas is available for £30mil - then I would be a little outraged if we didn't bid, especially how we made a move last year and failed.
It would make no sense... surely LvG would recognize that a deal could be made for a quality player, that would dramatically improve the squad and more importantly is available?
Oh Scholes
MEN are reporting Chelsea aren't interested as well.
feck the transfer window. feck the city. feck the king.
Are paddypower's odds a wind-up too? Indykaila ffs.
Those £200m reports were newspaper talk. Try not to listen to things like that, it won't help. You really think we're spending £200m?
This is where I think appointing LvG while he's still in charge of Holland preparing for a World Cup could bite us on the arse down the line.
I have a feeling Woody is going to get the full Van Gaal experience for his amateurism sooner than later.
Oh Scholes
What did he say, can't have the sound on at work.
"Who's Indikaila? Is that a celebrity?"
I just saw it now.I can't believe this guy has 150k followers, I just went on his profile for a laugh and he has a tweet that says the arsenal board are urging Arsene Wenger to submit an official bid for Fabregas. Since when do managers submit bids, what a Trollop.
Those Scholes questions are amazing.
'What's the biggest animal you could throw over a cross bar?'
'Dunno................ big dog?'
'What's the biggest animal you could throw over a cross bar?'
'Dunno................ big dog?'
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