Just that other clubs don't end up saving face all the time. Fabregas, Benatia, Vidal, maybe Kroos, just in one summer. It's pathetic. If Woodward were a good CEO Benatia would've been wrapped up long ago and Bayern wouldn't be able to steal him.
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Just that other clubs don't end up saving face all the time. Fabregas, Benatia, Vidal, maybe Kroos, just in one summer. It's pathetic. If Woodward were a good CEO Benatia would've been wrapped up long ago and Bayern wouldn't be able to steal him.
Look at my last post.Yeah, he was referring to us, Kay is just spouting meaningless words to try and sound insightful.
Problem with us is that we have too many good but not start players and not enough star players. If we weren't blowing out own trumpet so much it wouldn't grate on peoples nerves.
If he cannot see Fellaini and Anderson are not up to it, we are doomed. Why does he have to assess RVP he was his captain for Netherlands?
Maybe stop relying on dvd evidence and actually watch these kids in person, because I think that is what went on then. Stop doing agent friends a favour by taking Bebe's off their hands.
Oh come on, why is he assessing someone who is supposedly injured? If he is supposedly injured he isn't going to be assessed before the transfer window closes and then we are lumbered with him. Just buy his contract out.
Well since Woodie is dealing with transfers i dont expect us to bring in a cm. Having said this...as woodie is dealig with teansfers.i do.t think it even likely that he ships out MF
He still has to compare RVP to Rooney in a different environment, because at the end, he will play only one of them. For Fellaini and Anderson you never now he could have found them interesting in a specific role or as a "squad" squad players.
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Bebe is the one example there. I'm not disputing that we brought in dodgy players but the parameters created for this point is so narrow it's ridiculous.
As the OP stated we can't include players like Jones and Smalling because HE considers them squad players, we can go back so far to include Obertan and Diouf but not Ronaldo or Rooney? But we can include Varela even though it would almost be impossible for him to be a star at this point in his United career.
Basically they have to be players we bought in - not from the academy , without showing any ability at their previous clubs to become one of the best in the world for us to club them in the 'making a star' category.
With Shaw, We will make him into a star, yes, but he was already well on his may to becoming one, with or without us.
I am all for buying young players on the off chance we get another Januzaj etc, but the last real star we produced was Ronaldo (yes he had a good reputation at Sporting, but nobody expected him to be what he has become)
But look at clubs today. How many youth players play for Chelsea. Terry
How many youth players play for City. Hart
How many youth players play for Liverpool. Sterling, Flannagan, Gerrard
How many at Arsenal. Gibbs, Ramsey, Wilshre, Walcott, Chamberlain
How many at United. Rafael, Evans, Jones, Smallling, Fletcher, Cleverley, Welbeck, Januzaj
I am not saying it's a bad thing that we bring our own players through, far from it, but in todays world, clubs let the smaller clubs produce them, then buy them when they are ready. That is how they are competing. This is why a lot of the players have bought haven't been given a chance from us, because it's risky business
As I said, I don't think we should let even someone like Fellaini go without having someone come in. Anyone at this stage. Fletcher, as much as I love him, looked lost towards the end of the game. He was dead on his feet. Even then he was okish in that game. Herrera was quite poor but you can give him the benefit of the doubt. If Fellaini leaves, we will be left with only Cleverley till Carrick is back. That is a big risk to take.
Can i ask a serious question ?
First of all i am as bad as the rest of you when it comes to this thread i come here daily f5ing the hell out of it in the hope that something concrete has happened as i refuse to actually have a twitter account (its for lunatics imo).
Do you guys think that social media has made it easier not just for fake accounts but for people who are apparently serious journo's just to throw out any old dross on their feed to gain hits?
You stick #mufc in a tweet say if you are Oliver Kay for instance and automatically website traffic is up 1 million per cent.
Look at the Jim White tweet for instance- a bloke who is normally spot on so it seems- turns out to be complete bs...
It just seems like a cycle of complete garbage when it comes to our club.
Within 2 minutes of a Ladyman linking an article he has wrote someone else will come along and try and disprove it.
Or is it us who scrawl through us who are just too invested ?
My head hurts.
First of all i am as bad as the rest of you when it comes to this thread i come here daily f5ing the hell out of it in the hope that something concrete has happened as i refuse to actually have a twitter account (its for lunatics imo).
Do you guys think that social media has made it easier not just for fake accounts but for people who are apparently serious journo's just to throw out any old dross on their feed to gain hits?
You stick #mufc in a tweet say if you are Oliver Kay for instance and automatically website traffic is up 1 million per cent.
Look at the Jim White tweet for instance- a bloke who is normally spot on so it seems- turns out to be complete bs...
It just seems like a cycle of complete garbage when it comes to our club.
Within 2 minutes of a Ladyman linking an article he has wrote someone else will come along and try and disprove it.
Or is it us who scrawl through us who are just too invested ?
My head hurts.
Agreed.
We have left Buttner go with no tears shed, yet now i would welcome him back. Sort of.
I think the point is social media has changed the landscape for reporters. They have to be seen with the "exclusives" in order to increase traffic on the site. Ladyman is actually a good reporter and he's getting unnecessary flak for the headline (which he didn't write) - if you read his article it states that Utd want him and are trying. Doesn't say he will sign. The headline misrepresents everything...as per usual.
Do you think that finding Ronaldo was a part of the problem. We are now obsessed with finding another Ronaldo and failing miserably. Ronaldo is very likely a one off. All they can now hope is Januzaj gets to that level and Real come in down the line, a long way down the line with a massive bid.
"Vidal will be fit soon so he can make the move to his potential suitor Man United. But we are a big club and he's not for sale, honestly."
Anyway, my point an hour ago was basically this 
If we want to compete, we have to start buying some of the very best players, not hope we may produce one or two every 5 years
If we want to compete, we have to start buying some of the very best players, not hope we may produce one or two every 5 years
Think about the amount of publicity and exposure the Vidal story has given Chilean journos on twitter for instance. As things stand, it seems much to do about nothing, but them posting Vidal stories, gives them followers, hits, people replying to tweets. Then you get United fans desperate for good news tweeting journos, the journo will then sprout something about Di Maria for instance, no matter how true the update from the journo, they're guaranteed replies, and maybe some more followers.
I doubt he will go to Madrid, Ronaldo was a one off, it was his dream to play for Madrid. I'd agree that could be part of the problem, but we've spent big on two players this Summer, I feel we will have a more balanced approach of youth + established players under LVG, perhaps with a view of spending bigger money on younger talents who haven't quite established themselves as the very best but with the ability to do it in a few seasons, like Herrera and Shaw
Yeah seems a fair assessment that. Just think to much creedence is given to too many journos .. same goes for instance The RI Sanc- i hear stuff that comes from there all the time- i get it drip fed me- non of it ever comes to light though.
Then we have the foreign journalists like Di Marzio - almost an aura about them where people think their word is gospel when again i have never seen anything to prove these guys know whats going on.
Then we have guys like Amoyal and Jonas and Tom Coast who can translate something and somehow they are given creedence.
My head hurts again.
Fellaini was always one of our first choice targets, somewhat depressingly. Andy Mitten wrote an article soon after Moyes was given the job saying he wanted to bring 2 players with him from Everton, and that the current United staff (at the time) were concerned they weren't really United standard. It was also reported widely whilst we were on tour last summer that we were waiting to return to launch a double bid for Fellaini and Baines. This idea that because it went through late then it was a panic buy is wide of the mark.
Why does twitter exist? Im going living in a cave im sick of too much news. Gonna go all William Hurt in The Village and lock myself away.
I agree that LvG will integrate more kids into the team but we shouldn't have been in a position on Saturday that Blackett and Lingard were starting and James was on the bench along with players we want to get rid of. I know we have injuries but we should be buying more first team starters not squad players, they are squad players for a reason.
Im actually a member there. Unfair criticism at times but you wouldn't believe how much of their stuff ends up in the national papers...and is true.
Your point is right though. We live in a celebrity era - painful.
Surely that confirms that we do have an interest in him? I know he didn't name us, but we are probably one of the clubs if not the only club trying to sign him since there's too much noise for it to be completely untrue.
Hopefully we're doing a lot behind the scenes and not just waiting until late on in the window to hope that Juve will lower their demands.
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