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I'd made my mind up regarding Fellaini in December of last year, so I allowed him game time before concluding he wasn't a Manchester United player. I still believe this and am frankly baffled that ten decent minutes during a pre-season game has swayed people with Fellaini and now many seem to rate him. It's absolutely mental, he's gone from the most criticized player to nearly a cult hero! :lol: I suspect many are sympathetic. Fellaini has been decent at best, yet some think he's good enough.

Fellaini had some good games at the beginning of Spring, that's a fact and there's plenty of evidence on the Caf that will back that up. Nothing has swayed minds in the slightest.
 
Fellaini had some good games at the beginning of Spring, that's a fact and there's plenty of evidence on the Caf that will back that up. Nothing has swayed minds in the slightest.
The performance on Tuesday definitely has.
 
Have you followed the whole discussion since it started? I've simply pointed out that it's ridiculous to think that we'd have all our targets lined up and ready considering we've only come back from tour. The same tour van Gaal said he wanted to use to assess the squad. He soon realised we needed a CB, but not just any CB, a ball playing Left footed CB, hence the move for Vermaelen and now Rojo. Vermaelen could have been ours but for Wenger asking for Smalling in return thus making any deal impossible. People act as if Woodward and co have had months on end to seal deals but can't, when in actual fact it was always going to be a case of van Gaal coming in, assessing, then moving on required targets based on assessment. I don't see how else we could have done it.

I have been reading it all, yes things will not be done straight away and that is why I have touched on there is still time.
LvG comes across as a very intelligent man. He knew Vidic, Rio and Evra were leaving. When fit these players started so that in itself shows you the two former managers were not comfortable playing the current centre backs week in week out. Why they would all of sudden all be up to the job now makes no sense to me.
We were linked to Vermaelen by several sources at least 5 weeks back, why bid so late. Bid earlier and we would have known Wengers response thus leaving a hell of a lot more time to try another option.
Now onto this Rojo, who happens to have this really complicated third party nonsense causing grief at Sporting and will no doubt drag out any potential transfer - did we not do any homework on this players contractual status or did LvG just pick his name out of the hat for left sided defenders?
Also the tour is not going to make really average players - as in their whole career to date not just last season - become great players. Also like I said in my previous post United midfield is very average and has been for years. The fact every team steam rolled us in midfield last season was not all down to Moyes it was down to the fact of not only the top teams but the lesser teams would easily out pass, out pace, out play and out tackle our chocolate tea pot of a midfield.
What assessing did that need more than watching last seasons DVD review!?
Also we announced LvG as new manager on 19th May although rumours rumbled on in early April that it was a done deal. Yes he had a WC to prepare for but I'm sure Giggs and Woodward explained the weakest areas that needed strengthening back then.
Lets just hope then he hasn't shot himself in the foot by wanting to assess everyone as now it is late in the window, selling teams know this, Ed spouting off about our huge funds has also not gone unnoticed so this has just strengthened the hand of any club we speak with about potential transfers. If he wants a player we may now have to pay silly money - we really have no bargaining tools to speak of.
 
Whether he's at a level good enough for United doesn't really make sense to me. We have players worse than him in the team, we have players worse than him in midfield, and we've had plenty of players worse than him under Ferguson who were effective for us.

Since we don't judge players on their performances under Moyes last year for the rest of the squad, perhaps we shouldn't for Fellaini.

Plus, after seeing Ashley Young do so well under Van Gaal, perhaps we should wait and see how they do under him before casting them out? If Van Gaal decides that he doesn't fit and isn't showing in training that he's good enough then we'll get rid and that's fine. If he decides to keep him, I have confidence that he believes he can be a useful player for us.
 
Fellaini had some good games at the beginning of Spring, that's a fact and there's plenty of evidence on the Caf that will back that up. Nothing has swayed minds in the slightest.

Think it was more a case that he was just less shit in the games than previous. He was awful from beginning to end.

That performance against City at OT towards end of the season was one of the worst ive seen from a Utd midfielder.
 
Fellaini is worse than Powell not to mention Kagawa, Rooney or Mata. And AM is only position he looks like a footballer. Wilmots prefered De Bruyne as DM with Fellaini playing supporting striker. He was worse last season than Young ever was.

As long as we're not going to play for a target man like him (like Pulis' Stoke) then there's no place for him in matchday 18.
 
A 20 min cameo has swayed people into thinking he's good enough. It's ridiculous.
It's depressing. I hope he turns it around, I just don't see it... If it takes another year of misperformance from him for people to realise he's not a Manchester United player then so be it...
 
How can a serious discussion take place when people start pretending that Nick Powell is a better footballer than a full international that has battered midfields all across the Premier League, worried every single opposing manager and been the best or second best player at one of the better teams in the division?

Fellaini was poor last season. Sometimes terrible, sometimes legitimately good, but the MOTD warriors that conveniently like to ignore what he did as a central midfielder at Everton lose their credibility altogether as far as I'm concerned.
 
Think it was more a case that he was just less shit in the games than previous. He was awful from beginning to end.

That performance against City at OT towards end of the season was one of the worst ive seen from a Utd midfielder.
His performance vs Liverpool was just as bad, in my opinion.
 
How can a serious discussion take place when people start pretending that Nick Powell is a better footballer than a full international that has battered midfields all across the Premier League, worried every single opposing manager and been the best or second best player at one of the better teams in the division?

Fellaini was poor last season. Sometimes terrible, sometimes legitimately good, but the MOTD warriors that conveniently like to ignore what he did as a central midfielder at Everton lose their credibility altogether as far as I'm concerned.
Just on Nick Powell, is he going to make the grade at united? Is he another number 10.
 
It isnt ambition, he knows he will never be able to sign for a club our stature for the rest of his career, he shouldnt have even been here in the first place.
Same was said for Young too, yet he's performing very good under LVG. Maybe sthing similar will happen with Fellaini.

He should have a chance to prove himself, just like the others after a dismal last year.

Cleverley should be showed the door before Fellaini imo.




And Fellaini worse than Powell posts ffs.
 
How can a serious discussion take place when people start pretending that Nick Powell is a better footballer than a full international that has battered midfields all across the Premier League, worried every single opposing manager and been the best or second best player at one of the better teams in the division?

Fellaini was poor last night. Sometimes terrible, sometimes legitimately good, but the MOTD warriors that conveniently like to ignore what he did as a central midfielder at Everton lose their credibility altogether as far as I'm concerned.

He excelled being a target men and some games he was very very good in that role, no one is denying that. But that's a style of play we are never going to play! In midfield were he has to pass and close down he is no where near the quality required.
 
Fellaini is worse than Powell not to mention Kagawa, Rooney or Mata. And AM is only position he looks like a footballer. Wilmots prefered De Bruyne as DM with Fellaini playing supporting striker. He was worse last season than Young ever was.

As long as we're not going to play for a target man like him (like Pulis' Stoke) then there's no place for him in matchday 18.

:lol:
 
The performance on Tuesday definitely has.

That goes both ways. What did he do wrong last game? The point is, he wasn't fit last season and people jumped on the bandwagon. Rather then giving a play an opportunity to get fit and get 50+ games under his belt in midfield they rather go easy on players who have been here for years and not improved. Fellaini isn't the problem. Moyes used him in a certain way and people can't get over it.
 
Fellaini is worse than Powell not to mention Kagawa, Rooney or Mata. And AM is only position he looks like a footballer. Wilmots prefered De Bruyne as DM with Fellaini playing supporting striker. He was worse last season than Young ever was.

As long as we're not going to play for a target man like him (like Pulis' Stoke) then there's no place for him in matchday 18.

Really how do you work that out. I would even say Fellaini is probably better than Cleverly.
 
That goes both ways. What did he do wrong last game? The point is, he wasn't fit last season and people jumped on the bandwagon. Rather then giving a play an opportunity to get fit and get 50+ games under his belt in midfield they rather go easy on players who have been here for years and not improved. Fellaini isn't the problem. It's Anderson, it was Fletcher because of his injury and the form of Cleverly.
Nah, Fellaini simply isn't suited to our game.
 
That says a lot about our players. 95% can't all be wrong can we. Thats an awful lots of eyes that must be seeing something different week in week out.
Maybe the other 5% go to watch them training in Carrington because according to Moyes everyone was excellent in training last season.

95% of our squad, not 95% of the people on here...
 
He excelled being a target men and some games he was very very good in that role, no one is denying that. But that's a style of play we are never going to play! In midfield were he has to pass and close down he is no where near the quality required.

People deny that Fellaini was a good central midfielder at Everton on this forum almost every day.

His short forward passing is actually the most impressive aspect of his game, too. He's good at getting it on the turn and moving it forward. Again, others and I stated this last season. His major problems lay elsewhere, with other aspects of his game.
 
:lol:

It's a bit weird Fellaini has suddenly become a good player to RedCafe, I'm confused.
I think most of it comes from how he was abused the other night by our own fans. There was an injustice in that and we're looking to correct that by showing some level of support for him.

He tried. It's not like he goes out there to be shit. He has immense pressure on him and didn't get a fair crack last season.

The least we could do is support the man to perform the best he can, and if it isn't good enough after a fair try at it then he'll have to move on.

I admire his courage to fight it out. He knows he's not well liked and represents everything that was bad for us last season because Moyes has gone.
 
I have been reading it all, yes things will not be done straight away and that is why I have touched on there is still time.
LvG comes across as a very intelligent man. He knew Vidic, Rio and Evra were leaving. When fit these players started so that in itself shows you the two former managers were not comfortable playing the current centre backs week in week out. Why they would all of sudden all be up to the job now makes no sense to me.
We were linked to Vermaelen by several sources at least 5 weeks back, why bid so late. Bid earlier and we would have known Wengers response thus leaving a hell of a lot more time to try another option.
Now onto this Rojo, who happens to have this really complicated third party nonsense causing grief at Sporting and will no doubt drag out any potential transfer - did we not do any homework on this players contractual status or did LvG just pick his name out of the hat for left sided defenders?
Also the tour is not going to make really average players - as in their whole career to date not just last season - become great players. Also like I said in my previous post United midfield is very average and has been for years. The fact every team steam rolled us in midfield last season was not all down to Moyes it was down to the fact of not only the top teams but the lesser teams would easily out pass, out pace, out play and out tackle our chocolate tea pot of a midfield.
What assessing did that need more than watching last seasons DVD review!?
Also we announced LvG as new manager on 19th May although rumours rumbled on in early April that it was a done deal. Yes he had a WC to prepare for but I'm sure Giggs and Woodward explained the weakest areas that needed strengthening back then.
Lets just hope then he hasn't shot himself in the foot by wanting to assess everyone as now it is late in the window, selling teams know this, Ed spouting off about our huge funds has also not gone unnoticed so this has just strengthened the hand of any club we speak with about potential transfers. If he wants a player we may now have to pay silly money - we really have no bargaining tools to speak of.

I'm not sure Giggs would to be honest. I think he'd have defended the players here and said they were all top players. I think that's part of the problem. Not identifying the glaring weakness.

Our pursuit of top talent is hindered by us not being in Europe and, potentially, our talking big and maybe not having the money to do so. It remains to be seen. It'd be odd that Van Gaal would not want actual top class signings. The only thing I disagree with, if those rumors are true, is backing out of the Kroos deal (if that was ever a possibility) - but Van Gaal should know what he brings and what he lacks...
 
Nah, Fellaini simply isn't suited to our game.

I might agree with you after 100 games of him in midfield but we've not seen that. People are acting like he's never done anything good in his life. Moyes used him a certain way. LVG you'd think would want to use him different. We should just wait and see
 
Same was said for Young too, yet he's performing very good under LVG. Maybe sthing similar will happen with Fellaini.
He should have a chance to prove himself, just like the others after a dismal last year.
Cleverley should be showed the door before Fellaini imo.

And Fellaini worse than Powell posts ffs.

I'd keep Clev to see what LVG can do on him, maybe because he is homegrown I really want to see him do well.
I feel no such attachment to Fellaini, he just seems so Anti-MUFC in his style of play.
 
Fellaini became the the on field personification of Moyes' reign.

I always thought and still think he can do a job for us.

Unfortunately too many idiots will get on his back regardless. Tuesday night was the most embarrassing thing I've seen happening towards a United player in my 28 years.

He's done nothing to warrant the abuse he receives. He was never fit last season and the pressure clearly got to him.

I don't expect LvG to be knee-jerk with him and expect him to put in much better performances this season and cement a place as a useful squad member.
 
I'm not sure Giggs would to be honest. I think he'd have defended the players here and said they were all top players. I think that's part of the problem. Not identifying the glaring weakness.

Our pursuit of top talent is hindered by us not being in Europe and, potentially, our talking big and maybe not having the money to do so. It remains to be seen. It'd be odd that Van Gaal would not want actual top class signings. The only thing I disagree with, if those rumors are true, is backing out of the Kroos deal (if that was ever a possibility) - but Van Gaal should know what he brings and what he lacks...

For sure the lack of CL is huge but we are led to believe we are still very sought after regardless.
I thought that myself of Giggs but I'd like to think he wants what is best for the club not just to side with his peers. I think players themselves must look around the changing room and think wow some of us are very lucky to be playing for Man United because they would struggle to get into a lot of top sides for sure.
Lets just hope there are some deals still to be struck....
 
I'd keep Clev to see what LVG can do on him, maybe because he is homegrown I really want to see him do well.
I feel no such attachment to Fellaini, he just seems so Anti-MUFC in his style of play.
I dont care anymore if Cleverley is homegrown or not.

Double standards.
 
I just don't understand people who are so desperate to get rid of a player that they would loan him out or sell him for 20% of his normal value. Fellaini had a poor season yes - but it's not like he suddenly is a horribly bad player. Used in a right way, he can be extremely efficient - but of course that doesn't mean that using Fellaini in that way, is right for Manchester United.

There is no way we should loan him out simply to save £2-3 million in wages - Fellaini will still be a very good backup player, or a player to throw in near the end of matches when we either need a goal or need to defend a lead.

The only time I can defend getting rid of a player like that is when they are disruptive to the team - like when Keane left. But as you could see when Fellaini scored, the players were really happy for him. Now drop this loan-nonsense. If someone wants to pay £15 million for him - sure we should consider selling him. But Fellaini is worth more to United than £3-4 million
 
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