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Replacements the MANAGER WANTS who happens to have only finished his assessment about 2 weeks ago. I'm sure Woodward could have signed a CB or two willy nilly but what good is that if it is not the type of van Gaal wants? He's got a history of not playing players he didn't want signed. The only CB target we were in for that we know for sure is Vermaelen and to be fair, there wasn't much to be done there by Woody as Wenger played hardball by asking for Smalling in return. Such a move would have been counter productive.
We agreed terms with vermaelen months ago, so you don't think he was on van gaals list? Give over. He clearly had a set of targets and we just haven't been able to get them in.
 
Read almost any player thread on here, it seems 95% of our squad gets shit on by our own fans nowadays.
If you thought Fellaini performed well last season you've an extremely low standard anyway, but all the power to you...
 
Like many of us, I'd love for Marouane to get his chance & prove his critics wrong but the club simply can't afford to be sentimental right now - there's a real danger of us being left behind domestically, let alone in Europe.
 
Trust me, he absolutely was. Read his thread from last season, he was average at best.

Read first page from his thread, you'll see people who were throwing shit at him there already, then look at the post count from his 13/14 thread, most replies, etc. and you'll see the same people throwing shit at him every single day, matchday or not. I quit fighting those people because there's no point really. Some people have fixed opinion on him that he shouldn't be playing for us ( fair enough, not stopping anybody from it and to certain degree they're probably not away from truth ).

And yea, he's been nothing spectacular or so, bang average just like the rest of the squad.
 
Read almost any player thread on here, it seems 95% of our squad gets shit on by our own fans nowadays.

Last season who was better than average though? Yes I know there were one or two. We finished 7th, of course most of the squad would be getting stick.
 
Maybe he could improve by watching Herrera and Vidal from the bench could well have a better season than cleverly as fourth choice cm
 
If you thought Fellaini performed well last season you've an extremely low standard anyway, but all the power to you...

He wasn't great but you're overreacting claiming he was poor in every performance. I didn't want to sign Fellaini, never rated him what so ever. He wasn't as bad as some try to claim on here though and I don't see the massive issue with him wanting to fight for a place at the club. Won't be fussed if he leaves but if he decides to try to make it here, fair dues to the guy.
 
Where did he mention a snap decision? The midfield has needed strengthening since SAF was in charge and we have also lost 3 of what has been our main back four over the last 7 years. He knows we need a centre back he stated this on tour and has subsequently bid for Vermaelen and now we are apparently after this Rojo.
Maybe he thought Carrick was good enough to to play alongside our one midfield addition but he is out for three months and despite this romanticizing about Fletcher, yes its great he is back after a long illness but has he ever been that good, he is very limited in what he can actually do on the pitch and is now also a lot slower than he was back in his one stand out season 08-09.
No one said managing is easy either Moyes proved that he could not get anything more out of this squad higher than a 7th place finish (this again highlights the genius of SAF).
LvG has proven a more successful manager but it is imperative he gets this club back into the CL, it has been widely reported that we can sustain one season without it but any more would have huge implications financially. (adidas deal has such a clause in it).
All this is not to say that the required signings will be made in time before the window closes but the fans especially on a forum are allowed to vent frustrations especially as we seem to have a saga every summer that rarely bears fruit and the faith in Woodward has never been high.

Have you followed the whole discussion since it started? I've simply pointed out that it's ridiculous to think that we'd have all our targets lined up and ready considering we've only come back from tour. The same tour van Gaal said he wanted to use to assess the squad. He soon realised we needed a CB, but not just any CB, a ball playing Left footed CB, hence the move for Vermaelen and now Rojo. Vermaelen could have been ours but for Wenger asking for Smalling in return thus making any deal impossible. People act as if Woodward and co have had months on end to seal deals but can't, when in actual fact it was always going to be a case of van Gaal coming in, assessing, then moving on required targets based on assessment. I don't see how else we could have done it.
 
Ambitious by Fellaini, I like it.
He can't be worse than Cleverley this season.

It isnt ambition, he knows he will never be able to sign for a club our stature for the rest of his career, he shouldnt have even been here in the first place.
 
We agreed terms with vermaelen months ago, so you don't think he was on van gaals list? Give over. He clearly had a set of targets and we just haven't been able to get them in.

That's news, where'd you get that from? It's September 2 today? I need my clock checking.
 
Not having a go but how could you make that argument? He was poor in pretty much every appearance. I know the vast majority of our players disappointed last season, but I remember the likes of Cleverley performing well away to Arsenal.

Under huge pressure (from the transfer fee, being the only transfer, being Moyes own player) in his first season, carrying an injury and he managed to have some really good games for us despite being played probably out of position.

Fellaini did have some good games. Usually against poor teams, like West Brom and Newcastle, but still...

I agree, it would be faint praise. I'm not saying it makes him the best or anything else either.

I think we have 2 midfielders worse than him on our books though in Anderson and Cleverley. Plus, atleast he has a USP and is an extra option.
 
Read first page from his thread, you'll see people who were throwing shit at him there already, then look at the post count from his 13/14 thread, most replies, etc. and you'll see the same people throwing shit at him every single day, matchday or not. I quit fighting those people because there's no point really. Some people have fixed opinion on him that he shouldn't be playing for us ( fair enough, not stopping anybody from it and to certain degree they're probably not away from truth ).

And yea, he's been nothing spectacular or so, bang average just like the rest of the squad.
I'd made my mind up regarding Fellaini in December of last year, so I allowed him game time before concluding he wasn't a Manchester United player. I still believe this and am frankly baffled that ten decent minutes during a pre-season game has swayed people with Fellaini and now many seem to rate him. It's absolutely mental, he's gone from the most criticized player to nearly a cult hero! :lol: I suspect many are sympathetic. Fellaini has been decent at best, yet some think he's good enough.
 
Read almost any player thread on here, it seems 95% of our squad gets shit on by our own fans nowadays.

That says a lot about our players. 95% can't all be wrong can we. Thats an awful lots of eyes that must be seeing something different week in week out.
Maybe the other 5% go to watch them training in Carrington because according to Moyes everyone was excellent in training last season.
 
Like many of us, I'd love for Marouane to get his chance & prove his critics wrong but the club simply can't afford to be sentimental right now - there's a real danger of us being left behind domestically, let alone in Europe.

Aye. But a subsidized loan to FSW, fukc that. If we can't get 14-15m for him and get him completely off the wage bill, why not see what another season does for him. Not holding my breath or anything, but I put him in the same boat as Cleverley, not good enough, but maybe LVG can work a miracle
 
:lol:

It's a bit weird Fellaini has suddenly become a good player to RedCafe, I'm confused.

Its a defense mechanism, I saw it last year with Moyes and the airplane debacle.
One crap performance from him will help some folks in here in taking the rose tinted shades off.
 
Like many of us, I'd love for Marouane to get his chance & prove his critics wrong but the club simply can't afford to be sentimental right now - there's a real danger of us being left behind domestically, let alone in Europe.

Spot on, we held on the likes of Anderson for too long. Fellaini won't get to play in his best position, nor do I see him fitting well in LVG's system, I mean of course he doesn't want to leave, anywhere else is massive step down, doesn't mean we should keep because he doesn't want to leave.
 
I'd made my mind up regarding Fellaini in December of last year, so I allowed him game time before concluding he wasn't a Manchester United player. I still believe this and am frankly baffled that ten decent minutes during a pre-season game has swayed people with Fellaini and now many seem to rate him. It's absolutely mental, he's gone from the most criticized player to nearly a cult hero! :lol: I suspect many are sympathetic. Fellaini has been decent at best, yet some think he's good enough.

Wasn't one that switched from negative to positive so I couldn't tell really. Bolded part is the problem, given our midfield standards, yes, he's good enough. Given standards we should aspire to, no, he isn't, but neither is any other midfielder from last season.
 
He wasn't great but you're overreacting claiming he was poor in every performance. I didn't want to sign Fellaini, never rated him what so ever. He wasn't as bad as some try to claim on here though and I don't see the massive issue with him wanting to fight for a place at the club. Won't be fussed if he leaves but if he decides to try to make it here, fair dues to the guy.
I said he was poor in pretty much every performance, which is true in my opinion. Even his better performances were average. The West Ham game comes to mind as his best performance, and he was used as battering ram in that game, is this really the type of player we want to see playing for Manchester United?
 
I said he was poor in pretty much every performance, which is true in my opinion. Even his better performances were average. The West Ham game comes to mind as his best performance, and he was used as battering ram in that game, is this really the type of player we want to see playing for Manchester United?
His best performance was West Brom away, he made some vital interceptions and bossed the midfield that day. He will never run the tempo of a match but in the gritty league games he can be a handy player.
 
His best performance was West Brom away, he made some vital interceptions and bossed the midfield that day. He will never run the tempo of a match but in the gritty league games he can be a handy player.
I agree that it in this type of game he can be useful, but so can Fletcher.

And even Andy Carroll...
 
I agree that it in this type of game he can be useful, but so can Fletcher.

And even Andy Carroll...
Is that so bad though? We aren't in spain where every team has midget's wizzing around. We come up against teams who play route 1 football, and what's better to have than a giant who can actually play a bit too? It's horses for courses.
 


Chico Flores to Lekhwiya and Pablo Hernandez to Al-Arabi. Strange deals.


Think Flores to Lekhwiya was always an option considering Laudrup's their manager. He's followed Laudrup at to his last 3 clubs now I think, surprised Hernandez has gone though.
 
Is that so bad though? We aren't in spain where every team has midget's wizzing around. We come up against teams who play route 1 football, and what's better to have than a giant who can actually play a bit too? It's horses for courses.
Yeah, it's not so bad. But we could easily sign a player of this ilk who can actually contribute more than brute force I suppose? I dunno, Fellaini is just such an underwhelming player.
 
Think Flores to Lekhwiya was always an option considering Laudrup's their manager. He's followed Laudrup at to his last 3 clubs now I think, surprised Hernandez has gone though.

Seems like Monk doesn't really like Spanish players. Pozuelo, Flores and Pablo Hernandez all gone this summer with Jose Canas also likely to leave for Elche.
 
More like €67m ish, which is just over £50m. Nani & Hernandez aren't worth €20m each.

You think they're worth just under €10m (about £8m) each? They're both internationals. Lesser players have been sold for more.

You should work for United. They like to under-value players too.
 
You think their worth just under €10m (about £8m) each? They're both internationals. Lesser players have been sold for more.

You should work for United. They like to under-value players too.

Well no, Nani's worth about €10m & Hernandez €17m. Being international's doesn't count for much when they aren't performing for their national team. Nobody will pay €25m for a striker who scored 4 goals last season, is 4th choice for club and 2nd choice for country & Nani's been shite for ages he's not fetching €20m in any world.

Even then, it works out at about €72m altogether, no chance we'd get €40m for the pair of them because on top of what they'd want in wages they're not worth that at all.
 
:rolleyes:

Go back and read his thread pre-Christmas and circa. February/March last season. Plenty of posters were recognising his good performances.

The dreaded rolleyes smiley!

He's been dire for us and needs to be moved on. My point was though as soon as the window opened everyone was in agreement that he needed selling and was not for us, now he gets booed at OT the other night and suddenly a bunch of posters feel sorry for him and are defending him.
 
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