Wouldn't want us doing that deal personally, that's an outrageous demand.
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Why? Seriously why?
£30 + Chich + Nani not only is fair for both parties (excellent value for Juv, mind) but I'm pretty sure both players would openly accept a move out of United to another big club. My dream said the Vidal deal would be done today, slightly after 11... lets hope I'm right 
I'd take that deal. Midfield is more important.
When a club is under no pressure to sell such as Juventus with Vidal, they are gonna take it right down to the wire. Its brinkmanship designed to get maximum value. It'll likely happen on deadline day if its gonna happen at all. We didn't have to wait for Herrera because he could buy out his contract and for Shaw because we offered silly money. Chelsea got Costa sorted relatively quickly because of the buy out and Fabregas because Barca needed the money to buy Suarez. Juventus can and will make United sweat it out. Just like Spurs did with Bale last season when selling him to Real
That's a ransom of a deal... would hope we'd negotiate something better than that for ourselves.
We should definitely cash in on both IMO - on Hernandez before everyone realises how over rated he is and on Nani as despite being just 27 he's well past his best.
Sad but true. Just imagine how much Real were offering before the dead line day? I think £55-60m was reasonable for Bale but that Jew Levy knew he's squeeze Ronaldo type money out of them.
Give them 30M and those 2.
Juve's valuation is ridiculous, but at the end of teh day who cares... We need him, we don't need those 2, I'll be happy to see it happening at any price.
Juve's valuation is ridiculous, but at the end of teh day who cares... We need him, we don't need those 2, I'll be happy to see it happening at any price.
I'm not talking about Vidal alone.. Look at what's happening with Rojo too..
It's obvious we are struggling to get the players we want and I'm beginning to seriously think it is last year all over again. All that stuff LvG said was bollocks, he was just buying Woody some time and taking the immediate pressure off in the first few weeks.
No matter which way you look at it we are still in the shit. LvG mentality is fantastic and it's '1st or nothing', but at the moment the squad lacks the quality needed to really challenge for the title.
Taking off the red tinted lenses our hopes of any success at the moment hang on RvP, Rooney and Mata.
If LvG has no plans for the players then what difference does it make? At the end of the day we desperately need a world class CM and Vidal could be the difference in us getting back into the top 4 this season which will earn the Chicha and Nani cash back anyway.
Huge assumption to make but of course, it is your opinion. I have mine, which is based more on the facts in front of me.
Tancredi also claims that we agreed personal terms with Vidal a month and a half ago
Look on the bright side. At least we can't buy Fellaini again.
Christ, that was an anti climax and a half. I'm just struggling to see any positives on the rebuild of the squad at the moment. We haven't really actually added to the team, in fact it could be argued our squad is slightly worse than how we finished last season.
We have a great manager and that it what I suppose we are all clinging to - but he isn't a miracle worker.
I think for PR/Marketing reasons. He no doubt rakes in a crap load from the Mexicans, just like Kagawa or Park did. He's not an awful player either so if we can keep him I think we will.
woodward trending on twitter, not in a nice way either. Get the finger out Woodward!
Fellaini actually looked a completely different player on Tuesday, compared to the Moyes era, the whole team does. LvG thinks he is a miracle worker.
"I know he's banned, but let me just post this one tweet..."
Christ on a bike, it's an international muppet meltdown 
I just can't believe that any world class manager, who wants to take a club from 7th to 1st would risk leaving the majority of the transfer business to the last few weeks of the window.
That's what I thought you would say, just to keep the Mexican food vans at OT. Well if we get Vidal they can sell chilli con carne from the vans. I hope they aren't putting the team before selling shirts in Mexico.
I dont buy this. LVG has already been critical of the commercial side of the US pre-season tour so I doubt he would feel any need to defend Woodward if he is indeed f*cking up deals left right and centre. I believe that everything is in hand, that we are working on a tight deadline due to WC and US tour. I also believe that we are a less attractive prospect due to lack of Champions league and this is probably making some deals harder.
I can't believe that any world class manager who loves being thorough, who wants to take a club from 7th to 1st would risk just buying players for the sake of buying before assessing the players at his disposal properly, that would be unheard of I'd say. Horrendous.
This. This. And this. The way some people have convinced themselves that we must be signing player X and Z by Y date is beyond me.
It's getting back to normal then.Christ on a bike, it's an international muppet meltdown
My question is will Nani and Hernandez help us get back in the Champions League? Will they are a pair strengthen the team like Vidal would? Vidal will create far more revenue at the club both on and off the pitch than those two will in the next few years. So I have no complaints if thats a deal that brings Vidal to the club.
Unfortunately it's just the way it is these days. If Utd want big Revenue you need Marketable players. We have other deadwood to get rid of before Hernandez if you ask me. Getting rid of Nani, Zaha, Anderson would free up plenty of money and squad spaces.
IMO Nani is done. He will not feature if he stays bar a terrible injury crisis. Chicharito will probably want to leave since he is still the fourth choice striker for us. For both of them it will be a good move since they will be moving to the champion of Italy.
I think we will just have to release Anderson. I don't think we could even give him away.
That values him at around £70M
Why are we valuing Hernandez so high.
Hernandez is our fourth choice centre forward and does not even start ahead of Dos Santos for Mexico. He also wants first team football. Nani is utter garbage these days and simply does not want to be here, you can tell by his body language on and off the pitch.
Didn't Galatasaray pull out of a deal for Nani last summer because they thought the 10m euro asking price was too high!?
He then signed a new contract which in business terms was not great, he gave very little to the team last season and is getting paid a fair wage to basically sit on the bench or in the stands, obviously this extension was to increase his sell on value but really I don't see clubs queuing up to sign him. Actually no club with any sense will bid for him especially not a high price most fans seem to value him at.
Vidal yes is being priced high as they do not want to sell him, he is their star player entering his peak and crucial to them on the pitch. We are leaving it late which again leaves it late for them to find a suitable replacement plus they are asking for players we do not need, not doing a Wenger!
They hold all the cards as Vidal has publicly not stated his desire to leave, they know like anyone with eyes that our midfield is shite and that we need to get back into the champions league.
If we actually want him buy him, these are apparently the terms, otherwise can we please just move on to other targets who would be cheaper and have less suspect knees.
Are you lot actually nuts I mean seriously.....they have us by the balls because they now know that we absolutely need a big signing and to offload some deadwood.
This would be a fantastic deal and we should snap their hands off. Nani despite what people tell you has hardly played at all in the last year or so, his value is probably not much more than Andersons despite being a better player. Yes he will go on to be rejuvenated and probably play brilliantly in the Italian league but he wis worth £5m tops. Chicha is a deadly finisher and a fantastic striker but an utterly useless team player who has made one good cross/pass in his entire United career this year in pre season v Liverpool his realistic value is something around the 17m mark.
We want a player that Juve do not want to sell, nor do they have to, they are in the market for a finisher and a winger we happen to have those players and want their WORLD CLASS CENTRAL MIDFIELDER its a fantastic deal.
If your upset about the value maybe you should email the Glazers and ask them whether they can afford such an outlay. This is the last 2 weeks or so of the window and we have a skeleton squad full of has beens, never made its or players picking up a huge wage for NOTHING.
MAKE IT HAPPEN WOODY.
This would be a fantastic deal and we should snap their hands off. Nani despite what people tell you has hardly played at all in the last year or so, his value is probably not much more than Andersons despite being a better player. Yes he will go on to be rejuvenated and probably play brilliantly in the Italian league but he wis worth £5m tops. Chicha is a deadly finisher and a fantastic striker but an utterly useless team player who has made one good cross/pass in his entire United career this year in pre season v Liverpool his realistic value is something around the 17m mark.
We want a player that Juve do not want to sell, nor do they have to, they are in the market for a finisher and a winger we happen to have those players and want their WORLD CLASS CENTRAL MIDFIELDER its a fantastic deal.
If your upset about the value maybe you should email the Glazers and ask them whether they can afford such an outlay. This is the last 2 weeks or so of the window and we have a skeleton squad full of has beens, never made its or players picking up a huge wage for NOTHING.
MAKE IT HAPPEN WOODY.
£30m +Nani + Hernandez seems like its suits both parties, even though Juventus are definitely getting more from the deal.
We need Vidal. They don't need to sell. It all really makes sense.
But let's face it, Nani and Hernandez are surplus to requirements especially with the new system being implemented.
Both have looked slightly out of their depth in pre-season.
I've always said Hernandez was not a good footballer but great at what he does best - scoring goals, and I stick by that. The basic fundamentals of football he finds hard to get right i.e. first touch, simple passes. His interplay is just not up to scratch, and after 3/4 years here, it doesn't look like getting to the standard we should be looking for. I absolutely adore him as a striker though, most teams in Europe would be lucky to have him as an option.
We need Vidal. They don't need to sell. It all really makes sense.
But let's face it, Nani and Hernandez are surplus to requirements especially with the new system being implemented.
Both have looked slightly out of their depth in pre-season.
I've always said Hernandez was not a good footballer but great at what he does best - scoring goals, and I stick by that. The basic fundamentals of football he finds hard to get right i.e. first touch, simple passes. His interplay is just not up to scratch, and after 3/4 years here, it doesn't look like getting to the standard we should be looking for. I absolutely adore him as a striker though, most teams in Europe would be lucky to have him as an option.
It's not surprising, most of them still evaluate the team in term of individualities, they absolutely don't care about the fact that the team can be stronger,
with the players we already have.
I honestly think he has lost some pace as well, if he has that negates a lot of what he was good at.
The fact he's one of the best midfielders in the PL is a pretty convincing reason he won't be playing for us.
Enough about 'assessing the squad'. It's fine giving players a chance before deciding who goes but you don't need to assess this squad for more than one minute to realise that if you want to play with three defenders, then three injury-prone first-teamers with debatable quality coupled with some Academy kids is not enough. And you don't need to assess for more than one week to realise that we are short of midfielders and wingers of sufficient quality. It's not that complicated. Of course LVG would have wanted more players by now, it's deluded to suggest otherwise.
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