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If we somehow pulled it off we would be officially Champions of Summer Transfer Window.
Some of you are absolutely mental in your undervaluation of Hernandez.
In a world where Vermaelen who hasn't played for a year and is generally rubbish is worth at least 10m (and he is a defender), where Chambers who is completely unproven is worth 12-16m, where Lovren is worth 20m and Lallana is worth 25m how can you think Hernandez is only worth 10m? ....
In a world where Vermaelen who hasn't played for a year and is generally rubbish is worth at least 10m (and he is a defender), where Chambers who is completely unproven is worth 12-16m, where Lovren is worth 20m and Lallana is worth 25m how can you think Hernandez is only worth 10m? ....
It's all relative and they've all had better seasons than Hernandez. We'd have got £25m for him easily after his first season with us, he scored 4 goals last season, we won't get that now. If Lallana was a bench warmer all year then he'd clearly not pull that fee but he wasn't, he was one of Southampton's better players, hence why he's gone for more than what we'll get for Hernandez.
He's not worth £10 million: that's a meagre amount for a proven goalscorer. However, he's also not worth anywhere near the £20 - £25 million that some are bandying about.
Forgive an obvious statement, but the truth lies somewhere in between. I think a fee of £14 - £ 17 million is a fair reflection of Hernandez's ability and a fair price for us to receive for somebody who is clearly our fourth-choice striker and whom we only had an £8 million outlay on initially.
Hernandez is worth between £15m-£20m anything less than that is robbery.
Ok. They can have him. £37 million + Hernandez = Vidal
Thankfully these people are not negotiating on the club's behalf. Hernandez is easily worth £15m-£20m to the right club. Vermaelen will go for £10m-£15m and he is older/injury prone/defender/didn't play much.
United players almost always get undervalued when it comes to selling. We are not a selling club, and our negotiation skills when it comes to that are terrible.
Examples include selling Rossi and Forlan for a pittance, who then went on to become one of the best strikers in Europe (at the time), RVN for approximately £10 million, Heinze (£8 million), Pique (£6 million), Tim Howard (£3 million), Berbatov (£4 million). All top class players who were in and around their prime.
We've never received a decent transfer fee other than a few exceptions (Ronaldo obviously, and Obi Mikel who we managed to palm off to Chelsea for £12 million before he'd even played a game for us
). Even Beckham to Real for £25 million was a steal.
Examples include selling Rossi and Forlan for a pittance, who then went on to become one of the best strikers in Europe (at the time), RVN for approximately £10 million, Heinze (£8 million), Pique (£6 million), Tim Howard (£3 million), Berbatov (£4 million). All top class players who were in and around their prime.
We've never received a decent transfer fee other than a few exceptions (Ronaldo obviously, and Obi Mikel who we managed to palm off to Chelsea for £12 million before he'd even played a game for us
). Even Beckham to Real for £25 million was a steal.United players almost always get undervalued when it comes to selling. We are not a selling club, and our negotiation skills when it comes to that are terrible.
Examples include selling Rossi and Forlan for a pittance, who then went on to become one of the best strikers in Europe (at the time), RVN for approximately £10 million, Heinze (£8 million), Pique (£6 million), Tim Howard (£3 million).
We've never received a decent transfer fee other than a few exceptions (Ronaldo obviously, and Obi Mikel who we managed to palm off to Chelsea for £12 million before he'd even played a game for us
Your negotiating position is undermined completely when you're the one propositioning other clubs to buy your players. Many players never want to leave United hence the club having to initialise talks with other clubs, and when it comes to younger players who are leaving Old Trafford, Ferguson ensured the player got a good move rather than simply selling to whichever club offered the most money (Gibson to Everton for £1 million is proof of this).
20- 25 mil pounds.
That's a good point, which is why I guess we'll never be a club that makes our money selling players as is the case with clubs like Spurs and Southampton.
I think we'll be lucky to get £30 million combined for Nani, Anderson, Fellaini and Hernandez.
United players almost always get undervalued when it comes to selling. We are not a selling club, and our negotiation skills when it comes to that are terrible.
Examples include selling Rossi and Forlan for a pittance, who then went on to become one of the best strikers in Europe (at the time), RVN for approximately £10 million, Heinze (£8 million), Pique (£6 million), Tim Howard (£3 million), Berbatov (£4 million). All top class players who were in and around their prime.
We've never received a decent transfer fee other than a few exceptions (Ronaldo obviously, and Obi Mikel who we managed to palm off to Chelsea for £12 million before he'd even played a game for us
I think at times we are far too principled as well. If a player has given us good service or is someone who has come through our youth we'll rarely stand in their way of going to the club of their choice by playing hardball on the transfer fees.
Heinze to Liverpool being the exception for obvious reasons.
Should never had gone to City in the first place.
Precisely.
I couldn't tell you the last time we made a major profit selling a player (Ronaldo aside).
It just doesn't happen.
Which is not going to be the case for Hernandez. Since we have moved on to a two striker system, there will be a place for him in the squad, so if he was to leave it will be at his own request. There shouldn't be a shortage of suitors either.
He has nobody but himelf to blame for that.
If valuations were based solely upon the past season, there is no way that Fabregas would be worth 30m plus considering the fans were booing his performances and were very keen for him to leave. There is no way that Chelsea would have paid so much for Torres considering his last season at Pool was not anywhere near that of a 50m player.
Clubs look at more than just the last season and rightly so. It would be foolish not to.
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That's because his stock was ridiculously overrated.
As with any bubble, it eventually bursts.
I think you've hit the nail on the head there, with regards to United's selling transfer policy.
I can't help but feel we could've got more for Ronaldo as well if we'd been a little more stubborn, but didn't want to get in the way of his dream to play for Real.
Well obviously but nobody's going to buy Hernandez on the basis of him having an outstanding season 3 years ago. Fabregas still played a lot of football, scored 8 goals and got 13 assists last season, it's really not the same situation.
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I think as the selling club we can ask what we want for Hernandez. Whoever buys him, he will get goals, be a model professional and probably give them 5-7 years of quality service. Would accept 20+ million for him. People can say what they like, but he can score against any team and he's young enough to improve.
Selling him for 10 or 11 would be silly in the current climate. Juventus and the like can swivel. If Juventus want him they can sell Pogba and then be in a position to talk to us knowing we'd only sell because he wasn't good enough (up to now) to cement a place in the team. I've still not forgiven them for stealing Pogba away, especially how they bragged about it. It don't matter if we think he's worth 10 million, we don't ask for 10 million if we're the selling club. We ask for more ...
Selling him for 10 or 11 would be silly in the current climate. Juventus and the like can swivel. If Juventus want him they can sell Pogba and then be in a position to talk to us knowing we'd only sell because he wasn't good enough (up to now) to cement a place in the team. I've still not forgiven them for stealing Pogba away, especially how they bragged about it. It don't matter if we think he's worth 10 million, we don't ask for 10 million if we're the selling club. We ask for more ...
When was the last time we sold a player we didn't want to sell? Ronaldo? But even then he was given blessing by Sir Alex to leave.
And Chica still got 9 goals in a dire year for him and the team last season. 18 in the season before that when he was used as a sub more.
Nani and Hernandez will go for more than 6 and 12 million quid...
We probably will get around 40m for those four players.
I'd expect us to get around 3-4m for Anderson, 8-9m for Nani, 12-15m for Hernandez and around 15m for Fellaini.
Think we will get £5m to £9m max for Nani.
I'd say around £10/11million. He could do brilliantly at another club with a fresh start, and everyone knows that. He is a talented footballer he's just stopped working at United.
Just drop an appearances fee on top of a base fee. Nani's played what 7 games in each of the last two season? Add a another 6-7 million once he reaches 50 appearances. He's in his prime and you just never know. We don't have to ask big fees now. He still has 5 -6+ good years in him. He's done feck all the last two seasons. He's still in great shape
Anderson: £5m
Nani: £10m
Hernandez: £15m
Fellaini: £15m
Circa. £45 million in sales from those four alone. I think that's being very reasonable.
In fact, I think Nani at £10 million represents huge value for any interested party. He'd thrive in the right conditions; all he needs is a little luck to fall his way.
Nani: £10m
Hernandez: £15m
Fellaini: £15m
Circa. £45 million in sales from those four alone. I think that's being very reasonable.
In fact, I think Nani at £10 million represents huge value for any interested party. He'd thrive in the right conditions; all he needs is a little luck to fall his way.
The last three deals could turn out to be very good value for the correct clubs. Doubt we'd be getting any money at all for Anderson though, that guy has wasted away his entire career, he'll be going back to Brazil when his contract expires.
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What's going on at Newcastle? Lascalles was an Arsenal/Spurs target not long ago.
Are they the new Southampton?
What's going on at Newcastle? Lascalles was an Arsenal/Spurs target not long ago.
Are they the new Southampton?
£5m for Anderson would be crazy business by us.
When was the last time he showed promise? 2011?
There's no way he'd command an eight-figure sum; he'd go for between £4 - 8 million, in my opinion.
Ex Liverpool players have a problem understanding the fact that Liverpool haven't won the league for 24 years, hence top players outside of the UK, don't hold them in the esteem others do.
I meant crazy that we'd get that much, I can't see anyone even wanting him.
He scored 1 in 6 starts, 3 in 18 sub appearances in the league & he wasn't used as a sub more the season before, last year he made 6 starts and 18 sub appearances, the year before he made 9 starts and 13 sub appearances.
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