To be fair to the press, they reported about a month ago we were after one of Vermealen or Vertonghan when LVG first signed.
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To be fair to the press, they reported about a month ago we were after one of Vermealen or Vertonghan when LVG first signed.
To be fair to the press, they reported about a month ago we were after one of Vermealen or Vertonghan when LVG first signed.
Its also been kicking about the press since January.
Good post. I'm actually warming to this one slightly. I have an incredible amount of belief in Smalling and Jones, they just need the game time, which I can't stress enough.
An experienced head to compete with them is all that is needed provided the midfield is sorted out. In the discussion about our defence, some people often overlook the lack of protection we've had over the past three years.
Jeez make one observation and half the caf jump at it all I meant is that this hasn't been a saga a la "insert any signing here" with constant speculation... Just felt like "united want vermaelen" fast forward 1 day "united agree deal". Didn't know we were linked with him before that.
all I meant is that this hasn't been a saga a la "insert any signing here" with constant speculation... Just felt like "united want vermaelen" fast forward 1 day "united agree deal". Didn't know we were linked with him before that.So we need 5 centre backs? Name me a top club who rotates 5 centre backs?! We just have to hope they stay fit, which has always been our problem.
If we play 3/5 at the back in certain games then we will need a left footed CB who can also drift into the LB spot. I don't really like Vermaelen but I can understand how he would fit into a system, which is the most important thing.
If we're going to play 3 at the back then yes we would probably need 5.
For sake of god, LVG has invented this 5-3-2 only for dutch because strootman is not there , his role is fulfilled half by the third cb and half by de guzman. He does not use it that frequently. It will be 4 at the back. Stop this stupidity.
So we cannot discuss the possibility of using it at some point under his management?
For sake of God, no!
His Dad is one of LvG's coaches. I wonder if both of them will be here next year.
So we cannot discuss the possibility of using it at some point under his management?
Why? We could discuss Dragons but there wouldn't be much reality in it. He's using this for a reason, if you said (in the right thread) that you believed it was good beacuse perhaps we don't have a "strootman" player, which could lead to the thinking LVG may do this with us temporarily... but wrong thread either way.
Danny Blind will stay on with Guus Hiddink and take over after EURO 2016.
I advocated strengthening the position, but not with a World Class player as this is unnecessary. If we bought Hummels we'd have a top class centre back for 7-8 seasons and we'd have to make a decision as to whether Jones, Evans or Smalling would be his long term first choice partner. That decision would potentially marginalise two very good player's (certainly 1) in a position where it is important to have a "first choice". I firmly believe that we can create a top class centre back pairing out of the three we already have and so we merely need cover.
To put it another way: buying a top centre back like Hummels this Summer would cost us a younger, cheaper top centre back in the future. That's why I believe that the likes of Vermaelen or Vlaar would be good signings. Cheap, experienced and wouldn't demand first team Football week in week out.
If the Telegraaf says it i believe. They were spot on many romours.
I wonder if LVG will play Blind as a LB or in midfield.
Er United last season & for sometime now, Rio, Vida, Evans, Smalling & Jones, 5 who rotated on who was fit.
....and we still had to play Carrick at CB various times. That said, the situation could be improved greatly by having a backup to Rafael that isn't Jones or Smalling.
De telegraaf have been spot on with everything I wouldn't be surprised if this was true.
Although it'll be interesting to see where Van Gaal would play him.
Although it'll be interesting to see where Van Gaal would play him.
Because we didn't had cover for Rafael, we need a new RB not 2 CBs.
Utility player. Would likely be midfield to start with.
So we cannot discuss the possibility of using it at some point under his management?
You can go on discussing all you want, the reality is that he only used this formation as a last resort and may not even use it again in the next match. With the national team he is bound by the players he has and makes a system that will achieve the best result for the dutch team. With united buying new players he will use them in his preferred system of 4-3-3.
Its like arguing fergie buying players for 3-5-2 only because he played the same against wolfsburg and micheal owen scored a hattrick. It did not mean united switched to 3-5-2 and started buying wing backs and playing 3 centre backs.
So buying Vermaelen does not give us the option of using a system with 3/5 at the back? Yes it does. That is my point. He would be suitable and it would be an option. Yes Vermaelen could play in a 4 back as well. I was just giving an example of how Vermaelen could be very useful.
Sure mate.
Vermaelen wants to leave because he doesn't play at Arsenal. Doesn't make much sense to go to United merely as cover. Personally I don't think either of those you mentioned are good enough, and I don't see what benefit they'd bring other than taking up a place in the squad. Hummels on the other hand would be our only world class defender and could be that for years, with another spot up for grabs beside him and enough cover to deal with injuries.
I understand the logic behind having faith in those we've already got, but I'm struggling to see how signing an average 28 year old centre half helps that. If we want cover, we should sign someone younger with the potential to take over in the future, rather than someone who isn't good enough to start despite being at their peak.
He might not be good enough with Wenger but that's not a guarantee he'll be lacking with LVG. It has been a while since Arsenal had a WC CB, so might not be the player that is the problem.
Sure, it would be great if we signed a WC CB but not many are genuinely available and given we have bigger holes to fix, we probably want to get someone decent for a decent price and leave a bigger budget for other positions.
Surely its better to be a squad player at Utd, a bigger club, with better players and a club that actually wins things more than once a decade, than being one at Arsenal? Not to mention the security of the 4/5 year contract Utd would likely give him?
Just two points addressing the bolded bits
1) I think he is better than average myself, I think he is a good player, certainly not what I would term "average" even in United terms. When on form I can see no reason for him not to start, the biggest question should be "can Van Gaal turn his poor form around ?"
2) He isn't just a centre back and again if Van Gaal can get him playing good again then that is two key positions addressed for regular cover.
Perhaps, but if we're already worrying about budget allocation before signing anyone at all then the '200m warchest' leaks are even more ludicrous than they looked at the time.
Better to worry about the budget before you sign anyone than to realise its all gone before you've made half the signings you needed, surely? Anyone that ever gave those 200m quid reports any bit of credence at all is a bit of a fool tbph.
Well it's all well and good us giving it the billy big balls, but they've got Champions League football and just broke that trophy drought. We're obviously the bigger club and could probably offer more money, but I think it'd be daft to expect players to pick us over them at such a turbulent time.
So you think Vermaelen will turn us down, contrary to the reports from pretty reliable source this morning that he's already agreed terms? OK then.
Of course, but there are three or four positions we need reinforcing in and a top class centre half would make a big difference, while an average centre half would give the squad very little.
It was always ludicrous.
And it's always wise to be budget conscious. Even if we had 200m
Did I say that? No - I said he's unlikely to want to come as cover given that's the main reason he's leaving in the first place. If reports are true, he'll be signing with the hope of regular football. In my opinion and that of many others, he simply isn't good enough to get that.
If there's a finite budget, then its fairly unlikely we are going to (or were ever going to) sign £30m+ players for all those positions in the squad.
I don't really see how Vermaelen is more suited to that 3/5 defence than any other CB. If, and that's a big if, we were to ever play that system, you want your wing-backs to be very attacking-minded and dangerous. Vermaelen can do a shift at LB in a 4-4-2 but not as an attacking wing-back who needs to provide the width and the crosses.
Would you prefer a WC CM and a decent CB?
Or a decent CM and a WC CB?
Given our budget isn't unlimited, we can't sign WC for every position.
I think he's be quite happy to make such a move at this stage of his career, even if he's not going to be a guaranteed starter.
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