Sport Witness are getting a bit silly. Is it possible that both papers got the story from their own sources, independent of each other?
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I like him. Reminded me of Vidic when he first arrived but injuries have played a big part.
Vermaelen would be underwhelming to say the least because I think he's prone to massive clangers, but if it's what LvG wants then fair enough...
Mangala would be realistic although I'm not his biggest fan, Simon Kjaer, Ginter, Garay not the longest list because like you said the world class ones won't join.
But wouldn't you rather bring in someone who has the potential to be class rather than another above average defender who don't forget has struggled with injuries lately and hasn't shown consistent good form since 11/12?
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I'm happy with a potential Vermaelen deal. Premiership proven, coming into his prime and leadership skills for what will be a modest fee I imagine.
If we are going to spend big (yeah, right!) on other areas this summer then it was to be expected we were never going to throw £30m+ at Mangala or Hummels. My ideal signing would've been Garay by the way. Experienced, quality and in between the price range of Vermaelen and Hummels.
If with regualr first team football Vermaelen gets back to his first 2/3 seasons form at Arsenal then we've got a good deal. What do the arsenal fans think of him joining us? That might be a good indicator if they're objective.
my bad. Just seen you had an edit to deal with.Sheeeeeeeet! Must get my eyes checked
I'm happy with a potential Vermaelen deal. Premiership proven, coming into his prime and leadership skills for what will be a modest fee I imagine.
If we are going to spend big (yeah, right!) on other areas this summer then it was to be expected we were never going to throw £30m+ at Mangala or Hummels. My ideal signing would've been Garay by the way. Experienced, quality and in between the price range of Vermaelen and Hummels.
If with regualr first team football Vermaelen gets back to his first 2/3 seasons form at Arsenal then we've got a good deal. What do the arsenal fans think of him joining us? That might be a good indicator if they're objective.
I don't agree with Vermaelen but we already have defenders with potential.
Kjaer? Were you playing FM 2010?
Flopped at Wolfsburg and Roma. Worse defender than Vermaelen.
Mangala is clearly not worth the asking price. Also people need to do research on LVG. He does not care about names. He wants the players that fit into his system. So we should place some trust on the players he wants to sign.
Lvg worked with him at ajax, wouldnt he know his strengths and weakness. He knows how he plays. Would you rather not sign players LVG knows and wants?
LVG probably thinks he can get more out of Jones, Evans and Smalling so Vermalen is being brought in as competition rather than guaranteed starter. If it means more money to spend on the midfield then so be it!
How much is the reported fee? I wouldn't mind him for the right price but please don't say we're paying £20m or something.
Wasn't he at Ajax for a few months? Also I have no doubt he was promising but his obviously not lived up to his potential.
His the right type of player we need just not good enough especially after losing vidic and rio.
Under £10m and £100k per week.
3rd choice centre back with 1 year left on his contract, I'd say we could pick him up quite cheap. The paper reckons no more than £10 million though thats clearly guess work. But I dont know how strong Arsenal's position could be here when he clearly isn;t part of Wenger's long term plan.
I only mentioned him because we were linked with him a few months back.
I agree Mangala isn't worth the asking price but he has more potential then Vermaelen.
Again I'm not denying we need this type of defender but we need someone better, our squad is overflowed with average and injury prone players no need to add another.
I think people were deluding themselves thinking we would be spending £30-40m on a centre back like Hummels this Summer. The fact is we already have plenty of talent in that department and only really need an experienced squad player to replace the gap left by Vidic. Do City, Chelsea, Arsenal or Liverpool really have a better defence than potentially Rafael, Evans, Jones, Smalling, Evra, Shaw and someone like Vermaelen? I don't personally think so.
He'd be a decent signing and if he's on high wages it will be because of a low transfer fee. If he costs £6-7m you're probably saving £7-8m in transfer fees which would be given in wages.
He'd be a decent signing and if he's on high wages it will be because of a low transfer fee. If he costs £6-7m you're probably saving £7-8m in transfer fees which would be given in wages.
Exactly.
Why would Hummels leave Dortmund for a club who aren't even in the champions league.
And I'm not sure about Mangala. We have to pay more than £30m for someone who can't get ahead of Sakho in the French team. Either Deschamps is an idiot or he sees something.
We have Jones, Smalling and Evans maybe we should just hope they reach their potential for once and concentrate on this wordclass midfielder we really need.
If you are talking about vermaeln he was at ajax from 2004 to the day arsenal signed him. Went for a loan for 1 season i think.
I agree with bolded part, but if LVG wants him and if he can make vlaar look like beckenbauer against spain, then who am i to complain?
That's a risk. Jones looks like a headless chicken when playing at CB but I'd be willing to give him a chance and Van Gaal will as well. Smalling has all the ingredients to be a good defender his quick strong, good in the air but his ball playing will need to improve. Evans I like but his injuries are becoming a problem his spent almost half the season injured.
You know, no matter how impressed Martinez is, I'm pretty sure that if LVG wants, he can easily pick up those players ahead oh Everton. Nothing Martinez can do will put him above LVG in their eyes (in my opinion). LVG's their national team manager and a fellow Dutchman. United also has a national legend in Van Persie as well.
Lvg doesnt seem to want them. Martinez is a LVG follower though, so i can see why he would be interested.
Just for the photo.
Vermaelen still only rumours? can't see how he'd improve the XI necessarily, not sure we need more CB's, but wont know if it's true until after WC I'd imagine now.
According to France’s Al Jazeera owned, BeIN Sports, the physical demands required by new manager Luis Enrique in addition to the salary have lead to Xavi’s decision to leave the club this summer.
“Hatem Ben Arfa is very close to moving to Qatar, as is the Barcelona midfielder.”
According to Spanish sports daily, AS, Al-Sadd are looking to replace outgoing former Real Madrid striker, Raul, who is set for a move to New York to join the NY Cosmos, while the other offer Xavi has received is from their cross-town neighbours, MLS’ newest franchise, New York City FC, who are hoping the presence of David Villa will boost their chances of signing the 34-year-old.
Should Xavi leave Barcelona, he will be doing so as one of the most accomplished individuals to ever grace the Camp Nou, winning two Champions Leagues, seven La Liga titles, six Spanish SuperCopas, two Copas del Rey, two World Club Cups and two European Super Cups.
“Hatem Ben Arfa is very close to moving to Qatar, as is the Barcelona midfielder.”
According to Spanish sports daily, AS, Al-Sadd are looking to replace outgoing former Real Madrid striker, Raul, who is set for a move to New York to join the NY Cosmos, while the other offer Xavi has received is from their cross-town neighbours, MLS’ newest franchise, New York City FC, who are hoping the presence of David Villa will boost their chances of signing the 34-year-old.
Should Xavi leave Barcelona, he will be doing so as one of the most accomplished individuals to ever grace the Camp Nou, winning two Champions Leagues, seven La Liga titles, six Spanish SuperCopas, two Copas del Rey, two World Club Cups and two European Super Cups.
I'd be happy with him and Bruno Martins Indi in all honesty. Shaw aswell thats a decent summer defensively. Indi is a beast and i was really impressed how he dealt with Costa on Friday.
If we end up signing vermaelen it would prove that these journalists don't know shit about our transfer dealings
The only reason why we suspect we might sign him is because journalists wrote about it.
If they didnt know shit then they wouldnt be reporting Vermaelen would they? I mean if it turns out true? I think a better way to put it would be that a lot of it is pure guesswork and they get the odd one right.
Yeah tancredi called it a month back, lets all follow him now.
Are the Telegraph reliable at all?
If this is true, I am warming to this transfer. Brings instant experience to the United back line and would not cost a bomb. Mangala is too expensive, as is Garay, and I would worry about Hummels in the Premier League. I don't watch too much of the other leagues, but like @Bojan11 mentioned, there really is a lack of quality defenders at the moment. We already have 3 good 'potential' center backs in Jones, Evans and Smalling - getting Vermaelen for cheap would be a great signing - especially keeping in mind we don't have Champions League football to offer (it also means a lot less games for the defenders to rotate).
If this is true, I am warming to this transfer. Brings instant experience to the United back line and would not cost a bomb. Mangala is too expensive, as is Garay, and I would worry about Hummels in the Premier League. I don't watch too much of the other leagues, but like @Bojan11 mentioned, there really is a lack of quality defenders at the moment. We already have 3 good 'potential' center backs in Jones, Evans and Smalling - getting Vermaelen for cheap would be a great signing - especially keeping in mind we don't have Champions League football to offer (it also means a lot less games for the defenders to rotate).
Matt Law is a decent source on Arsenal - so this is likely from Vermaelen's agent.
Belgian press went with this last night.
The simple answer to that would be for financial reasons. United could treble his wages.
My opinion however is that Van Gaal will think that Smalling, Jones and Evans need to be given a chance before spending a sizeable amount on a proven top class defender. The situation in defence is completely different to central midfield in that we have the talent, but not the experience. Vermaelen would be a good addition in terms of versatility, experience and cost.
Vermaelen, Shaw and a player like Vidal would be a great Summer (regardless of some people thinking we need 5 World Class additions), particularly if reports of Strootman in January are to be believed. Our squad is still ridiculously underrated due to the Moyes debacle.
I agree with all of your post, except the Hummels bit. It doesn't appear that he's the kind who'd move mainly for the tripled wages. Anyways, the rest of it is spot on. People need to have a bit of patience and faith here and not of the blind kind either. LvG isn't Moyes.
You seem to be forgetting the fact that we have just let two defenders go and are down to three centre backs with premier league experience. All three of which struggle with injuries over the course of a season. It's one area we have to strengthen.
Cheers for that. I'm not going to be completely optimistic about this until it's confirmed then, especially if it's from his agent. Might be angling for a pay rise at Arsenal.
So the transfer that you read about in the paper, if it happens, will prove to you the papers don't know what they're talking about?
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