Why? Been the more important of the two over the last three seasons at least.
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Without checking, I couldn't dispute that, but I'd be very surprised if he had done more for the team than Robben...
Agreed about Lahm, but Gótze is more proven than Muller, despite what you rate their ceilings.. BUt I think they should be on similar also
How did you work that one out?
Disagree.
Where was Gotze at the last World Cup, even at the last Euros? Muller has been a first 11 starter for years for both Bayern and Germany.
Gotze has over 100 appearances in the first team of Dortmund/ Munich while he's appeared 30 times for his NT.
Muller has 165 appearances for Bayern and been slightly further capped so it would seem my impression was incorrect... Still with Muller a year older, there isn't a lot between them.
Wut ?
1. That's 256 total appearances vs 150 odd for Gotze and 50 more goals scored.
2. 20 more caps, most as a starter. A huge number of Gotze's caps meanwhile are from the subs bench.
3. There's a massive lot between them. Muller is an experienced player than has been to 3 CL finals, been second runner up at a World Cup where he won Best Young Player, Golden Boot and most assists awards and has been nominated in the Ballon D'Or ballot thrice.
Muller is a massively experienced, proven campaigner and a big game performer. At this stage he's some ways ahead of Gotze, who has great potential but hasn't fully translated yet apart from that 6 month spell at Dortmund where he was close to world class before getting injured at the eve of the final.
Muller was joint top scorer at the last Worldcup, and a starter for Germany in the Euro 2012 qualifiers as well as in the tournament, where I think Gotze made a few sub appearances.
Muller has also played in 3 champions league finals, and won 1.
Muller is far more experienced and proven than Gotze, who isn't even a nailed on starter at Bayern yet.
They had to offer Gotze higher wages for him to join them and not either stay at Dortmund or go abroad.
Surely, there's more than a year between 'em?
3 years TBF.
Yes I agree. Its the same with Ribery who everyone was after at the time.
My comments are in relation to the fact @AngeloHenriquez said Gotze was more proven than Muller which is of course incorrect.
Oh, my bad. Yes i agree Gotze had good time at Dortmund but Muller has shown much more.
I'm seeing a lot of comments similar to the bolded one, and I don't get it.
Can you tell me when Scholes has looked to pick a fight? If you look at the sum-total of all his media work this summer, it boils down to about three or four blog posts for Paddy Power. If you read the articles themselves, they're reasonably forthright, but he doesn't say anything particularly scathing - on Rooney, he actually only ventures an opinion that loads of people have down the years: that having played since 16, he may have passed his peak. We all know he's not the best when it comes to conditioning too, so is Scholes' opinion that wild?
If you look at Scholes' first choice side to play Italy, he's even picked Rooney in the central striker position, shunting Sturridge out wide, even though it seems the rest of the country would have it the other way round - why would he be championing Rooney to play in his best and most favoured position if he was looking to pick a fight?
As ever, the media have picked up some reasonably innocuous quotes and shit-stirred for England; or not as the case may be! The easiest thing to do in situations like this is to go to the source article; this way, you can be sure you're not falling hook, line and sinker for the press spin.
I've got to say though, Rooney can shove it up his bollocks - to suggest anyone connected with United could be angry with Scholes is laughable. Rooney is only still at the club because we were desperate.
Scholes made a comment, essentially that Rooney was past it - at a time when the press were on Rooney's back, questioning whether he shold be picked. It is evident a comment from a former teammate - especially one who usually doesnt make these comments, is going to be out to Rooney in a press conference, who is then required to respond and can't really say anything other than what he said - i.e. "I dont care what he thinks of me".
He is as entitled to anyone as his opinion, and I dont care what he says and wont criticise the bloke - I suspect Rooney doesnt either. I just find it interesting that a player who kept himself in the shadows as much as was possible in his playing days, rarely doing any sort of interview, chooses to do one before the world cup and make such a potentially controversial comment which is cleary going to be picked up by the media and blown up out of all proportion.
I suspect ex-players have a lot of opinions about teammates or what's going on at clubs or in the national team. He might think Rooney is past it and tell his mates that in conversation - but that's different to saying it to a journalist in ths context. Its naive at best - its not about what you say, its the context in which its said.
As I've said, if he fancies a future as a pundit - its all about having opinions, often the more controversial the better, but he doesnt strike me as the type of bloke who wants to do that. Perhaps I'm wrong and he fancies a media career.
I'm with you on this one, Scholes is being a bit of a twat. I find it strange that Scholes stayed quiet for virtually his whole playing career and then chose Paddy Power (and their mad cap bantz
) as his method of delivery. Questioning if a former team mate has peaked on the eve of a World Cup (where said player has failed to deliver so far) is hardly constructive and I dont think its all that insightful either.I'm with you on this one, Scholes is being a bit of a twat. I find it strange that Scholes stayed quiet for virtually his whole playing career and then chose Paddy Power (and their mad cap bantz
I'm not criticising him - like I say, he's entitled to his opinion and its one that a lot of people will probably have. I just find the timing bizarre and think his comments area bit naive, knowing what the press will do with them.
arent we after his brother Hoke?
He's trying to rally public support after all the nasty stuff about him & the bribes and the sexism and the racism and the...
That and the bad pitch in Manaus. Getting the excuses lined up early.
Coming up with a shit idea is not the best way to do it.
His brother's a nuisance. He's in - then he's out - I wish he'd make his mind up.
I'll get my coat.
More rubbish from Tuttosport, I wonder why they keep reporting us and the €25 mill bid. If our bid is not for real, why they keep reporting it in their every article.?
Now I want to know who's his girlfriend!
EDIT: apparently she's Laia Grassi. Worth a google (I honestly didn't know)
She can go live in Italy by herself if she's that bothered.
Now I want to know who's his girlfriend!
EDIT: apparently she's Laia Grassi. Worth a google (I honestly didn't know)
Head the shape of a pear drop. 5/10. Would not bang.
Daily Star = Tuttosport.
Utter bollocks.
Utter bollocks.
High standards mate!
Done.
So then, Rakitic transfer confirmation up shortely.
That moved fast. No announcement of an official bid or medical AFAIK just boom and done
https://twitter.com/FourFourTweet were the first to break the news.
Wow. What a shit start to the summer for us.
Do you work for them or something?
Another one bites the dust.....come on Woodward, remove your head from your arse and bloody sign someone for us!
Almost fast as when Pep said he wants Thiago in his team.
I really don't know how to feel about this. I'm not overly bothered we haven't signed Fabregas but am also slightly worried he's gone to a PL rival. LVG surely must have other irons in the fire, you'd think anyway.
That is of course, if we were even remotely interested in Cesc and it's not made up.
Pffft.
OK, so are we actually going to buy ANYONE?????????
OK, so are we actually going to buy ANYONE?????????
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