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Will Absolute said:
Good idea, regardless of the source. Football refereeing is unspeakably bad, and becoming worse. This is a bit like a drowning man clutching at a straw, but it might improve things. At least it offers hope that some of the more blatant injustices can be rectified.
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Unspeakably bad? You're over egging that to say the least.

There are high profile errors, poured over by analysts from fifty different angles time and again and blown up so it can be debated to death.

The biggest problem refs face is players cheating, diving, play acting and generally trying to con them. That could be nipped in the bud by retrospective action making their jobs a whole lot easier.

The offside rule itself is a problem which could also be resolved by it being simplified rather than being as complex as it is now which requires significant interpretation leading to different decisions.

These are simple things to put right and a whole lot simpler than stopping the game every 5 minutes. These stoppages would be used tactically if managers could decide and if the ref decided it simply encourages them not to make decisions in real time effecting the flow of the game and creating more stoppages and replays.

I have no issue with technology for deciding if the ball crossed the line but anything else is just over complicated.
 
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acnumber9 said:
So basically every time there is an offside we would have to play on until a stop or change in possession just in case one of the managers wants to challenge? That would be a cluster feck.
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Yes! Perhaps, maybe, could do, not sure, actually no changed my mind.
 
RedRover said:
Unspeakably bad? You're over egging that to say the least.

There are high profile errors, poured over by analysts from fifty different angles time and again and blown up so it can be debated to death.

The biggest problem refs face is players cheating, diving, play acting and generally trying to con them. That could be nipped in the bud by retrospective action making their jobs a whole lot easier.

The offside rule itself is a problem which could also be resolved by it being simplified rather than being as complex as it is now which requires significant interpretation leading to different decisions.

These are simple things to put right and a whole lot simpler than stopping the game every 5 minutes. These stoppages would be used tactically if managers could decide and if the ref decided it simply encourages them not to make decisions in real time effecting the flow of the game and creating more stoppages and replays.

I have no issue with technology for deciding if the gas crossed the love but anything else is just over complicated.
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Gas crossed the love? :lol:
 
Best thing Scholes did was do him in training after it came out about City and his transfer request. Rooney is a moron.
 
Scholes was absolutely spot on. Truth hurts Wayne.
 
KiD MoYeS said:
Why? He was defending himself regarding initial comments Scholes had made?
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First he said some crap such as Scholes didn't see him in training every day as if anyone needs to see him in training to realise he has declined, let alone Scholes.

And now the crap about getting a new contract under an incompetent manager. If he feels the need to mention that then he should also mention that arguably the best manager ever was willing to get rid off him.

Seriously, I have already had enough about his on and off performances, but I was still willing to give him the importance in our team especially as he seemed to be the only important player to our incompetent ex manager. So I felt he should stay.

But now he has decided not to take critisicm and not to admit that there might be some truth in it. If he can't do that, then he should at least just say that he respects Scholes and now he is focused on the WC. But no, he has decided to take digs at Scholes. Wilshere didn't take digs at Scholes when he critisized him. But ofc Rooney is such a good player - which the whole world will witness again at the WC - that noone can critisize him.

I am looking forward to him dealing with LvG's criticism.
 
Ugly man says something, even uglier man responds. EXCLUSIVE!!!
 
Get the feeling scholes didnt particularly like rooney. Why would he? Hes held the club hes played for all his career by the balls, twice now.
 
SalfordRed18 said:
Get the feeling scholes didnt particularly like rooney. Why would he? Hes held the club hes played for all his career by the balls, twice now.
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Isn't Scholes the man who refused to play once? Not sure how much of moral high ground there is there to be honest.
 
SalfordRed18 said:
Get the feeling scholes didnt particularly like rooney. Why would he? Hes held the club hes played for all his career by the balls, twice now.
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Well i have heard that Ferdinand, Scholes, Giggs, Evra and Carrick don't like him they think that he is selfish. And they didn't like his criticism to SAF about the team.
 
Baxter said:
In a reserve game, and apologised for it.
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It was a league cup match. And if Rooney said sorry it'd be enough to stop this pretence he's been some overpaid leacher and not one of the single biggest factors in our success these last 9 years? The venom which online fans treat him is extraordinary and never, ever seems to be replicated to this degree outside the virtual world, except for people who decide they're "fans" during the World Cup.

Rooney hating is an internet meme.
 
Plugsy said:
It was a league cup match. And if Rooney said sorry it'd be enough to stop this pretence he's been some overpaid leacher and not one of the single biggest factors in our success these last 9 years?
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Yeah you were right. You managed to quote just before I deleted :lol:. It was a 'reserve' team that went which is why I thought it was a reserve match
 
Baxter said:
Yeah you were right. You managed to quote just before I deleted :lol:. It was a 'reserve' team that went which is why I thought it was a reserve match
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Ah that explains why I kept getting an error when I tried to reply, I thought I got thread banned or something.
 
I don't care if they don't like each other. Scholes has retired, if Rooney keeps performing for us I will be more then happy to take his side.
 
Sherzad said:
I don't care if they don't like each other. Scholes has retired, if Rooney keeps performing for us I will be more then happy to take his side.
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Bit immature. Not like scholes is just a player when it comes to united, and its not like theres even "sides" to take.
 
Sherzad said:
I don't care if they don't like each other. Scholes has retired, if Rooney keeps performing for us I will be more then happy to take his side.
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There is no side to take Scholes didn't criticise Rooney, he just said that Rooney had probably already peaked which is probably true. But Giggs peaked early too and that didn't prevent him to be competitive in his late 30s.

Scholes just said that for now on Rooney needs to think about himself and try to find the best way to continue to perform for a long time.
 
SalfordRed18 said:
Bit immature. Not like scholes is just a player when it comes to united, and its not like theres even "sides" to take.
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Yeah, he is a legend and one off the best. As I said he is retired now, I have respect for hime and a big fan but let's be honest here, it's clear from Rooney's interview that they don't get on.. It makes me wonder if Scholes comments were out off bitterness towards Rooney.? We have other legends in our club.. I can't remember any off them criticising Rooney. As I said Rooney play for us and if he keeps performing, I really don't care what our Ex legend thinks about hime.
 
I hate Blatter's idea. Football and technology that necessitates a significant pause, are incompatible.
 
Bojan11 said:
Do you watch tennis?

It takes a few seconds. Hardly significant.
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Other than goal line technology, which we already have, which decisions taken by referees are a clear cut in/out (as in tennis) call?

Penalties/freekick decisions aren't. Widely open to interpretation and camera angle. Sometimes you could see the same incident 50 times from different sides and still not definitively no. There's a huge difference between the factual ball in/ball out calls in tennis and matters of opinion.
 
Plugsy said:
It was a league cup match. And if Rooney said sorry it'd be enough to stop this pretence he's been some overpaid leacher and not one of the single biggest factors in our success these last 9 years? The venom which online fans treat him is extraordinary and never, ever seems to be replicated to this degree outside the virtual world, except for people who decide they're "fans" during the World Cup.

Rooney hating is an internet meme.
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Preach.
 
Plugsy said:
It was a league cup match. And if Rooney said sorry it'd be enough to stop this pretence he's been some overpaid leacher and not one of the single biggest factors in our success these last 9 years? The venom which online fans treat him is extraordinary and never, ever seems to be replicated to this degree outside the virtual world, except for people who decide they're "fans" during the World Cup.

Rooney hating is an internet meme.
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Excellent!
 
Plugsy said:
Other than goal line technology, which we already have, which decisions taken by referees are a clear cut in/out (as in tennis) call?

Penalties/freekick decisions aren't. Widely open to interpretation and camera angle. Sometimes you could see the same incident 50 times from different sides and still not definitively no. There's a huge difference between the factual ball in/ball out calls in tennis and matters of opinion.
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Judging offsides with the hawk eye ? only for goals
 
Bojan11 said:
Do you watch tennis?

It takes a few seconds. Hardly significant.
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It takes 5 seconds when there are already 10 second stoppages between each point. Football is an entirely different animal. Is the game blown dead as soon as a challenge is issued, even if play is still going in the box? Do you have to wait until the ball goes out of play? Does the play between the challenged incident and when play eventually stops count? What if there's a goal/card offense? Does it get wiped away if play is pulled back and a penalty is given? There's no way to integrate challenges organically, at least in a way that doesn't leave just as many problems unsolved as it does solve problems.
 
Plugsy said:
Other than goal line technology, which we already have, which decisions taken by referees are a clear cut in/out (as in tennis) call?

Penalties/freekick decisions aren't. Widely open to interpretation and camera angle. Sometimes you could see the same incident 50 times from different sides and still not definitively no. There's a huge difference between the factual ball in/ball out calls in tennis and matters of opinion.
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Diving?

You know some refs regret giving penalties after they seen them again.
 
JPRouve said:
Judging offsides with the hawk eye ? only for goals
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Offsides possibly but I'm not sure how that'd work as it'd have to judge when the ball was played and also the whole 'interfering with play' bollocks. The only thing technology can really be used for is 'did it cross the line?' and other than goals where else can it be used? Be a bit of a waste for throw-ins


Using technology to assess judgement calls is very dangerous and is massively open to abuse to coaches who want to perhaps use their two 'appeals' to call the ref over and take some heat out of the game or disrupt the oppositions momentum

1-0 lead 10 mins to go, throw on 3 subs at leisurely pace, get the referee over a couple of times to look at a couple of decisions. While we can do nothing about the subs, adding weapons for managers to use to wind down the clock or to kill the impetus of another team at a crucial time isn't a great idea. Besides how many replays does a ref get to see? If the first and second are inconclusive do we see a third or even sixth? How long is it proposed the prick is standing looking at a monitor for?
 
To be fair i was thinking about the video referying.
 
Bojan11 said:
Diving?

You know some refs regret giving penalties after they seen them again.
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It's still subjective, most of the time. One man's dive is another man's 'making the most of contact'. It's all a bit murky. Judgement calls and those open to interpretation are a no-no for technology for me. Afterwards, sure but it's unfair for a ref to be asked to review his decision standing next to a screaming irate manager and 50,000 fans baying for blood if he doesn't award the decision to the home team.

I think the fact refs make the decisions on the spot and on instinct a lot of the time lessens the pressure that would be on him if he had the chance to look again and again at the call in the circumstance outlined.
 
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