On the contrary. If Erdogan overturns this that's the end of what is left of the "democracy" in Turkey. He already dominates the press and the political parties it will only make his grip even firmer.
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Probably not
I would imagine that those in favour are Islamic and against a more secular country.
I wouldn't read much into that. It's like choosing your leader in North Korea.
You were talking about the people in the streets, it's only some people not the majority of the population.
Possibly. I imagine he'll aim to crush all of his opponents, however if he goes too far you'd imagine there could be further backlash and division. Seems like a very grim situation whatever happens.
It all seemed so promising when it began.
Commanders of army now backing out.
Ordering all involved army to withdraw and give power back to democracy.
They sold out- the pussycats. Probably did a deal via Obama and got a new Samsung LED TV or summat.
Ordering all involved army to withdraw and give power back to democracy.
They sold out- the pussycats. Probably did a deal via Obama and got a new Samsung LED TV or summat.
I know, incredible how things can change. Only a couple of hours ago it looked like Erdogan was fecked...now he could potentially be more powerful than ever.
Guardian had a live stream, troops shot into protesters at a bridge, definitely some casualties. If you listen to only the audio it sounds like a CL game when the away team has possession - quiet, random chants, and boos 
im just opening up a box of turkish delight that i got last week.
Whoever orchestrated this obviously misread the public mood.
Or perhaps overestimated their own power/numbers. Perhaps went into it thinking they had enough, and under-anticipated the resources they'd need.
Democracy wins.
Probably banking on support from other countries which given the nature of a coup was unlikely.
Bush'eshque
Kinda but then only if you truly believe Erdogan was truly democratically elected. The guy's corrupt as feck.
Did they even get close to Erdogan? Someone hasn't read coup de-tats 101
He has plenty of experience - 13 years and counting. Lots of followers as well.
The country is divided as well. The rebels bombed the shit out of Kurds in their own country recently as well so I imagine they won't get much support there.
You do realise Erdogan is going to seize power further and become more and more dictatorial, presuming he gets back into power?
I don't see how anyone could realistically look at this and see it as some sort of democratic victory. Not that the other way was going to necessarily be a positive outcome, but people viewing Erdogan as a normal, democratic leader are presumably judging him in the same way they would the leaders of countries like France, UK, Germany etc.
The statements from Germany and the US might be somewhat controversial when Erdogan goes down the authoritarian route.
If this coup fails, this is very very bad news. The Islamists gain a massive victory
His support for Erdogan will have been a boost, but I don't think it'll have had too much of an overall impact on the current ground situation in Istanbul right now.
Nope. He was larging it in hotel rooms and his private jet enjoying idle chitchat via facetime!!!
And who's fault is that? It's a fecking disastrous and backward move by the military, the whole principle of it is fecked.You do realise Erdogan is going to seize power further and become more and more dictatorial, presuming he gets back into power?
I don't see how anyone could realistically look at this and see it as some sort of democratic victory. Not that the other way was going to necessarily be a positive outcome, but people viewing Erdogan as a normal, democratic leader are presumably judging him in the same way they would the leaders of countries like France, UK, Germany etc.
This is going to worse by the time I wake up in the morning. Seeing footage on RT with what looks like Erdogan supporters mounting tanks trying to pull out soldiers.
Come on enigma, you can't compare a totalitarian state run on the cult of the leader to Turkey.
This.
You do realise Erdogan is going to seize power further and become more and more dictatorial, presuming he gets back into power?
I don't see how anyone could realistically look at this and see it as some sort of democratic victory. Not that the other way was going to necessarily be a positive outcome, but people viewing Erdogan as a normal, democratic leader are presumably judging him in the same way they would the leaders of countries like France, UK, Germany etc.
Agreed.
He'll be stronger than ever now and continue to fund ISIS. Democracy at it's finest.
It's not a good move from the military, but the idea that it's some sort of victory for democracy is laughable.
So every coup so far succeeded, right? This one being the first to fail is likely a sign that it came too late, and Erdogan already has firm grip of even a sizeable part of the military.
Just heard the army has declared that they have seized total power.
Could be a good observation, it's certainly the longest spell (I think) they've gone since having one, so Erdogan may be in a better position than those previously. Still feel like having to flea will be a massive dent for him, though.
Welcome to World War 3 lads, it's arrived....
This is a fecking rollercoaster.
Not yet. But given his reign so far they are on the road to getting to there.