No good guys here, as you know Turkish military are no friends of the Kurds.
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No good guys here, as you know Turkish military are no friends of the Kurds.
Yep, I'm well aware of that, largely the reason I'm not celebrating just yet.
It's not even sure he tried. I doubt it. He wouldn't give in so fast.
Looks like the coup is struggling when they are not able to mobilise people for their side soon.
I remember at one stage Erdogan hhad actually made some peace with the Kurds (as opposed to the military which would never do that), why did he reverse? Or was I taken in by PR smoke-and-mirrors at a time when he was a western pro-business darling?
I think the whole story of him trying to seek asylum in Germany was bullshit, doesn't make any sense from his point of view and from a German perspective neither.
I remember at one stage Erdogan hhad actually made some peace with the Kurds (as opposed to the military which would never do that), why did he reverse? Or was I taken in by PR smoke-and-mirrors at a time when he was a western pro-business darling?
Events in Syria led to the rise of a PKK mini-state on Turkey's southern border, something no Turkish leader, secular/Islamist/whatever, will ever accept.
Sky are idiots , they have Flightrader24 saying that they can see the tanks on IST airport , they are ground vehicles?
It's indeed a bit bizarre, but that's how we'll get to know stuff in the future. Traditional media will probably cease to exist, at least in the way they do now. And I'm not sure that's a bad thing, they all seem to serve an agenda these days. Much better to have loads of micro-sources of information and form a picture from it instead of an untrustworthy single source laying down a story for us.quite bizzare to follow this stuff via reddit, facebook.com/live and a couple of livestreams. new media is really changing the coverage and the outcome of these events. That doesn´t develop good at all.
Been a while that I accompany events solely on the internet and I always feel like I'm miles ahead in comprehension whenever I talk to people whose only source is traditional media.
Oh yes, should have figured that.
Turkish kurds perhaps, but it's all hollow.
It's Syrian kurds he's been a pestilence for.
I was surprised by this as what I've heard about Erdoğan is that.....well he's not very liberal to say the least(The guy seems like a massive prick).
The coup looks likely to fail. This is potentially a disaster. Erdogan is going to crack down like a motherfecker domestically. And the silence of the US, UK, and Germany is probably not going to be forgotten. If he comes back to power, will they stay in NATO?
Sky - Turkish fighter jet has shot down a military helicopter over Ankara. (unconfirmed)
Tell that to the families of the thousands killed weeks after the military coup in Egypt
At the time he reversed it due to pressure from ultra-nationalists and ironically the military.
Well it is a coup so we can expect a lot of blood and violence before anyone definitively seizes power.
Could maybe be something to do with the PKK cnuts bombing parts of Ankara and Istanbul to smithereens? feck em
Mate, we'll be going from a controlled media to rumours and hearsay.
Sounds like it's becoming like Thailands red peasents VS yellow elites.
Mosques calling out for Erdagon because he is more Islamically inclined but in the big city where the military should have its Support.
Problem for military is rich people don't make for brave fighting militants - they'd rather debate inside over cappuccinos and enjoy their cash!
Mosques calling out for Erdagon because he is more Islamically inclined but in the big city where the military should have its Support.
Problem for military is rich people don't make for brave fighting militants - they'd rather debate inside over cappuccinos and enjoy their cash!
@Fener1907 - Anything new from your location ?
The government was democratically elected ,if people don't like the way the country is run then just vote them out next time. It's rediculous how the military can just throw their toys out of the pram and arrange a coup as they see fit, feck them all the rebelling officers and genrals should be locked up.
scary timesYeah, because all Kurds are PKK
I guess it being good or not will depend on how people react to it. I never take any information for granted myself, but I do like the maximum number of sources possible so that I can form an opinion. The alternative isn't any better.
It's not that simple when Erdogan is becoming quite dictatorial himself.
If the country is/was going down the route of less secular, would they not be "happy" to some extent? Sorry about my ignorance to all this.
overall you get much better/fast coverage via the internet; obviously also some bullshit but the reddit feed is surprisingly good. I am not making any value judgement about that, but it also can have influence on the situation itself. New media allows both sides to organize despite the military taking over TV/radio stations. Usually after taking over the media, the coup is able to consolidate. Today you can see within hours the opposite development. If things escalate tonight, it could turn out really really ugly. I am concerned, because there is a lot of backlash. I hope that one side backs down before things get too violent.
Like I said the people voted for him, maybe you don't like him but you are not a citizen of Turkey so should respect their choice.
Nothing to report from me. You probably know as much as I do. I'm not in Turkey, by the way.
You painfully oversimplify everything.
Yeah, that's why they'd want people to stand up for Erdogan.
Good point.
You're completely ignoring my point - people did vote for him, but if a President becomes increasingly dictatorial then it may not be possible to vote him out. Especially with the allegations of vote tampering and the like at the last election. Not that the military's motives are necessarily completely noble, but the justification of "he's elected" doesn't necessarily hold ground if that elected figure is making moves towards becoming a dictator.
People coming put to the streets risking their lives says a lot, the military are not acting in the interest of the civilians they are supposed to be protecting.
AFP reporting Obama support for the democratically elected government.
White House saying that all parties should support dem elected government.
White House saying that all parties should support dem elected government.
Jesus