Turkey

[JPRouve]

IIRC, secularity is a defining characteristic of Turkey.

 

[Raoul]

Is Al Jazeera news (eng) somewhat trustworthy or dangerously biased?

Its been decent the times I've watched it. I thought they went out of business though.

 

[Amir]

Must admit I've never taken to Erdogan so I'm quite pleased about this. Just hope it's the best thing for the country.

He's a dictator. Or at least aspiring to be.

 

[2cents]

Is Al Jazeera news (eng) somewhat trustworthy or dangerously biased?

Qatari government is a very close ally of Erdogan's.

 

[Twisted_Woody]

Any caftards in Turkey? Stay safe.

 

[Silva]

Must admit I've never taken to Erdogan so I'm quite pleased about this. Just hope it's the best thing for the country.

Depends who comes in after the army releases power.

 

[Scarecrow]

Lie down and accpet dictatorship instead?

This is 21st century. There are other ways to fight injustice than urging civilians to literally go fight the military on your behalf. Perhaps try something else first.

Do I really need to explain this? Get your head out of your arse mate.

 

[prateik]

Is Al Jazeera news (eng) somewhat trustworthy or dangerously biased?

I don't know.. but listening to Sky made me think the coup would be successful.. and watching Al Jazeera for the last 10 minutes makes me think no one in Trukey wants the coup and it wont succeed...

So there clearly is some bias ..
Which side is honest... I have no idea.

 

[Red Defence]

He's a dictator. Or at least aspiring to be.

Yes that's how he came across...and a nasty one too.

 

[Fener1907]

why they kept voting him though?

For example, he gave jobs to the uneducated and underqualified, as well as benefits every month for simply pledging support to the party. No earning, just receiving. You're in or you're out, and they stay in because it secures their futures, even though the Turkish economy (and youngsters in particular) will invariably suffer due to the haphazard approach to maintaining that support.

 

[Mozza]

Hooray for asking civilians to do your dirty work!

What would you expext in response to a military coup?

 

[Kentonio]

I'm a bit confused, what exactly is a coup? How does this work and why are they doing this?

This is a little different to a normal coup though. The Turkish military have a history of removing governments if they decide they pose a threat to Turkey's secular nature.

 

[JPRouve]

Its been decent the times I've watched it. I thought they went out of business though.

Al Jazzeera US went out of business.

 

[Mozza]

Literally what you've been suggesting the whole thread.

Erdogran isn't a dictator

 

[Cheesy]

What would you expext in response to a military coup?

You think it's at all responsible to encourage civilians, some of whom may be unaware of the current situation, to go out in the streets and fight for you? He's potentially putting their lives at risk. It's selfish. Erdogan's just desperate to retain power by any means necessary.

 

[Red Defence]

Depends who comes in after the army releases power.

Hmm....is there no politician in Turkey who the people would like to lead them?

 

[Mozza]

This is a little different to a normal coup though. The Turkish military have a history of removing governments if they decide they pose a threat to Turkey's secular nature.

More like when they pose a threat to the militaries power

 

[Silva]

What would you expext in response to a military coup?

What are the options? If all you've got is civilians killing themselves, let it happen.

 

[Scarecrow]

Erdogran isn't a dictator

Do you know who Turkey's PM is?

 

[Fener1907]

Mozza's a plank who can't even spell. Stop wasting your energy.

 

[Mozza]

You think it's at all responsible to encourage civilians, some of whom may be unaware of the current situation, to go out in the streets and fight for you? He's potentially putting their lives at risk. It's selfish. Erdogan's just desperate to retain power by any means necessary.

I'm sorry but what response can you have to a military dictatorship? They aren't often overhtrown peacefully

 

[2cents]

Erdogan in 1997:

"The mosques are our barracks, the domes our helmets, the minarets our bayonets and the faithful our soldiers..."

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/2270642.stm

 

[fishfingers15]

Jesus, they are shooting at protesters, live. ON CNN right now.

 

[Cheesy]

I'm sorry but what response can you have to a military dictatorship? They aren't often overhtrown peacefully

I'm not sure, but telling citizens to go out into the street to do your dirty work for you while you feck off to another country and seek asylum is irresponsible and selfish. Especially when some of those citizens may be unaware of the context of the current situation, and the threat that fighting for Erdogan could pose to their own safety.

 

[pauldyson1uk]

OK maybe a stupid question and dont shoot me if it is , but why are the celebrating in Syria ?

 

[Mozza]

I'm not sure, but telling citizens to go out into the street to do your dirty work for you while you feck off to another country and seek asylum is irresponsible and selfish. Especially when some of those citizens may be unaware of the context of the current situation, and the threat that fighting for Erdogan could pose to their own safety.

I'm sure they are aware that taking on the military could be a bit dangerous. The context is obvious, the democratic government has been overthrown in a military coup

 

[Silva]

OK maybe a stupid question and dont shoot me if it is , but why are the celebrating in Syria ?

Erdogan lets ISIS and other extremist elements use the border at will.

 

[Silva]

I'm sure they are aware that taking on the military could be a bit dangerous. The context is obvious, the democratic government has been overthrown in a military coup

Or they could just wait for the army to relinquish power like they've always done after coups.

 

[mu4c_20le]

Jesus, they are shooting at protesters, live. ON CNN right now.

Looked like warning shots.

 

[Cheesy]

I'm sure they are aware that taking on the military could be a bit dangerous. The context is obvious, the democratic government has been overthrown in a military coup

The context is obvious to you because you're seeing it unfold on the news. Many Turks may only be aware that Erdogan's reign is in peril and that he's asking them to fight for him. It's cowardly, selfish and irresponsible either way - the actions of a power hungry dictator determined to use his people as pawns as opposed to one who cares for his people.

 

[pauldyson1uk]

Erdogan lets ISIS and other extremist elements use the border at will.

Thanks. I dont really know much about him , but from what I have seen tonight, the man is a bloody idiot, urging his followers on to the street while he is sat god knows where, this will not end well.

 

[Vato]

More instability in the region can't be a good thing surely? Whichever way you look at it?

 

[Theafonis]

Is Al Jazeera news (eng) somewhat trustworthy or dangerously biased?

Only biased sometimes when it reports on the Middle East.

 

[fishfingers15]

Looked like warning shots.

Hope so. They are how showing people engaging with military men. Some of them dropped like flies, maybe they were taking cover. Well at least in one place, it looks like people were shot. People moving the wonder now.

 

[RedTiger]

IIRC, secularity is a defining characteristic of Turkey.

How long does something have to be around for it to be considered a characteristic?

 

[Theafonis]

Erdogan in 1997:

"The mosques are our barracks, the domes our helmets, the minarets our bayonets and the faithful our soldiers..."

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/2270642.stm

Wasn't that directed against communists and enemy forces?

 

[sun_tzu]

I thought Johnson, Gove and Ledson said turkey was about to join the eu... Looks like it's about to turn into Syria

 

[the hea]

 

[sammsky1]

I don't know.. but listening to Sky made me think the coup would be successful.. and watching Al Jazeera for the last 10 minutes makes me think no one in Trukey wants the coup and it wont succeed...

So there clearly is some bias ..
Which side is honest... I have no idea.

AJ has had an Erdagon supporting MP as its on the ground observer for past 30 mins which is why they are suggesting everything is under contract.

For middle east news, I find AJ more empathetic and less PC than BBC. Mainly because this is home turf for them. They were excellent during the Arab Spring. If u his turns into a popcorn event over the weekend I'll be watching AJ

 

[barros]

Looked like warning shots.

Saw a guy with a gun on his hand, I have a feeling people are going to die tonight.